Nets beat writers need to GTFO

PetroNet · Post #1 » by **PetroNet** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:12 am

http://www.netsdaily.com/2013/2/27/4035 ... e-over-p-j

Tim Bontemps @TimBontemps

Look, I can understand some of the frustrations with #Nets rotation. But how can so many be so mad when Nets have won 2/3 of games under PJ?

Tim Bontemps @TimBontemps

@R0nito Like I said, I can understand people's frustrations with certain things. But I can't get the vitriol, especially after a Nets win.

Have PJ's rotations been out of whack at times? Does he stick with some players too much? Yes. But #Nets are 1 1/2 games outta first. Relax.

Marcus Henry @marchenrysports

@rodboone And they're 20-10 since PJ took over.

its not even their viewpoint or opinions that are so bad, its their justification for it.... just pathetic. and these guys are paid to follow the team? you would think they would know more about the team they follow.

great, the nets are 20-10 under PJ. in a vaccum thats fine, what would we be under say, thibs? 26-4? 25-5?

great we are 1.5 games behidn the knicks, so are like 5 other playoff teams. the east is a clusterfck of suck and the knicks are in a tailspin, of course we arent far back.

or my favorite great PJ is 20-10 in his first 30 games but it took avery 60 games to get 20 wins... lets ignore that it is 2 completely different rosters. but hey, no biggie, morrow and damian james arent any worse then joe johnson and gerald wallace. deron williams is no better then devin harris or jordan farmar

fcking clowns

Hello Brooklyn · Post #2 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:38 am

You honestly need to calm down.

PJ is taking way too much heat. Yes, hes not the greatest coach. But he has made us win.

We were a .500 team with Avery and look like a 50 win team with PJ.

The fact of the matter is, coaches can only do much. The solution is not always to run for the coaches head. Players need to be held accountable also.

PJ is our best option for right now. When the season is over, we can see who else is out there.

PetroNet · Post #3 » by **PetroNet** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:44 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:You honestly need to calm down.

PJ is taking way too much heat. Yes, hes not the greatest coach. But he has made us win.

We were a .500 team with Avery and look like a 50 win team with PJ.

The fact of the matter is, coaches can only do much. The solution is not always to run for the coaches head. Players need to be held accountable also.

PJ is our best option for right now. When the season is over, we can see who else is out there.

we are winning because we have a ton of talent, not because of PJ. when you have dwill/JJ/lopez you are going to consistently beat the bobcats and magic. its sad that we can compete vs teams that DONT suck.

we have other major issues, its not all on PJ, but to say he has done a good is crazy.

therealbig3 · Post #4 » by **therealbig3** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:53 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:You honestly need to calm down.

PJ is taking way too much heat. Yes, hes not the greatest coach. But he has made us win.

We were a .500 team with Avery and look like a 50 win team with PJ.

The fact of the matter is, coaches can only do much. The solution is not always to run for the coaches head. Players need to be held accountable also.

PJ is our best option for right now. When the season is over, we can see who else is out there.

This kind of mentality is why a lot of teams never take the next step and become great. They're happy to just win a bunch of regular season games and are afraid to criticize and change things around the team just because they're winning.

And you're dead wrong about coaching...great coaches have more of an impact than all but the super elite players, look at Pop and Thibs. A great coach with a great system in place has an absolutely massive positive impact on a team, just like a terrible coach has an absolutely massive negative impact on a team, look at Avery.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #5 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:01 am

PetroNet wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:You honestly need to calm down.

PJ is taking way too much heat. Yes, hes not the greatest coach. But he has made us win.

We were a .500 team with Avery and look like a 50 win team with PJ.

The fact of the matter is, coaches can only do much. The solution is not always to run for the coaches head. Players need to be held accountable also.

PJ is our best option for right now. When the season is over, we can see who else is out there.

we are winning because we have a ton of talent, not because of PJ. when you have dwill/JJ/lopez you are going to consistently beat the bobcats and magic. its sad that we can compete vs teams that DONT suck.

we have other major issues, its not all on PJ, but to say he has done a good is crazy.

Was our talent winning us games with Avery?

We were not beating bad teams with Johnson coaching. We went 2-8.

He hasn't done great, but he has done ok. Enough to warrant staying for the rest of the season.

Firing him will solve nothing. We have no viable alternative, and he is getting us a decent amount of wins.

jeff1624 · Post #6 » by **jeff1624** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:09 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Was our talent winning us games with Avery?

We were not beating bad teams with Johnson coaching. We went 2-8.

He hasn't done great, but he has done ok. Enough to warrant staying for the rest of the season.

Firing him will solve nothing. We have no viable alternative, and he is getting us a decent amount of wins.

We were like 19-0 versus teams with records under .500 at one point. The Nets have been beating bad teams all season. Not sure where you're getting this 2-8 number from.

PetroNet · Post #7 » by **PetroNet** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:10 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
PetroNet wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:You honestly need to calm down.

PJ is taking way too much heat. Yes, hes not the greatest coach. But he has made us win.

We were a .500 team with Avery and look like a 50 win team with PJ.

The fact of the matter is, coaches can only do much. The solution is not always to run for the coaches head. Players need to be held accountable also.

PJ is our best option for right now. When the season is over, we can see who else is out there.

we are winning because we have a ton of talent, not because of PJ. when you have dwill/JJ/lopez you are going to consistently beat the bobcats and magic. its sad that we can compete vs teams that DONT suck.

we have other major issues, its not all on PJ, but to say he has done a good is crazy.

Was our talent winning us games with Avery?

We were not beating bad teams with Johnson coaching. We went 2-8.

He hasn't done great, but he has done ok. Enough to warrant staying for the rest of the season.

Firing him will solve nothing. We have no viable alternative, and he is getting us a decent amount of wins.

huh? did you miss the first month of the season? if you take away the games the nets lost when lopez was hurt PJ and avery have almost identical win percentages

Hello Brooklyn · Post #8 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:52 am

jeff1624 wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Was our talent winning us games with Avery?

We were not beating bad teams with Johnson coaching. We went 2-8.

He hasn't done great, but he has done ok. Enough to warrant staying for the rest of the season.

Firing him will solve nothing. We have no viable alternative, and he is getting us a decent amount of wins.

We were like 19-0 versus teams with records under .500 at one point. The Nets have been beating bad teams all season. Not sure where you're getting this 2-8 number from.

We went 2-8 in the month of December.

jeff1624 · Post #9 » by **jeff1624** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:54 am

We were 5-11 in December and not a single loss came at the hands of a lottery team.

Ronito · Post #10 » by **Ronito** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:08 am

ITT we make **** up. Come on now.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #11 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:54 am

jeff1624 wrote:We were 5-11 in December and not a single loss came at the hands of a lottery team.

My fault.

The point is our play in December was inexcusable. Under Avery we were a complete joke of a team.

PJ has legitimized us. You guys should honestly give him some credit for the improvements we have made.

Remember, Deron Williams is playing terrible. Gerald Wallace has fallen of a cliff. And JJ is highly inconsistent. Plus we have no starting caliber PF.

We are not going to be much better than we are right now. And it doesn't come down to coaching. We are a 52 win team max IMO.

I don't know what type of expectations you guys have for this team, to be honest. Until Deron Williams plays like a superstar, we will never be a contender.

MGrand15 · Post #12 » by **MGrand15** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:56 am

So we should be happy because we went from a terrible coach to a mediocre coach?

Hey guys, at least our coach isn't COMPLETELY crippling us? I guess that's something to be happy about....

N Ireland Nets · Post #13 » by **N Ireland Nets** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:55 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:We were 5-11 in December and not a single loss came at the hands of a lottery team.

My fault.

The point is our play in December was inexcusable. Under Avery we were a complete joke of a team.

PJ has legitimized us. You guys should honestly give him some credit for the improvements we have made.

Remember, Deron Williams is playing terrible. Gerald Wallace has fallen of a cliff. And JJ is highly inconsistent. Plus we have no starting caliber PF.

We are not going to be much better than we are right now. And it doesn't come down to coaching. We are a 52 win team max IMO.

I don't know what type of expectations you guys have for this team, to be honest. Until Deron Williams plays like a superstar, we will never be a contender.

If you look at our roster player for player this season a realistic expectation should've been 2nd seed in the East with Miami way out in front.

The talent on the team is ridiculous when you put it on paper but through our disgustingly bad coaching, we look like a team less than the sum of their part.

PJ & Avery both have failed to put our guys in the best position to perform.

A good coach would be able to take Williams, Johnson, Wallace, Hump & Lopez and flat out dominate games with some great bench options.

Instead, right now any game we win seems to be in spite of PJ and not because of.

His rotations are flat out disgusting and his management of our young assets has been horrible with next to no development at all.

PJ is a joke of a coach and is the white Avery running the same system as Avery. After a promising start where PJ's rotations were solid and D Will & JJ weren't playing 40 mins odd a night, things looked improved.

But instead PJ reverted to Avery type. I believe PJ is trolling the Nets right now doing his best Rod Thorn, lets sign Outlaw, Farmar, Morrow & Petro kind of YOLO coaching.

I despise PJ with a passion and I didn't even have to bring up Reggie Evans starting for us or his minutes.

PetroNet · Post #14 » by **PetroNet** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:18 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:We were 5-11 in December and not a single loss came at the hands of a lottery team.

My fault.

The point is our play in December was inexcusable. Under Avery we were a complete joke of a team.

PJ has legitimized us. You guys should honestly give him some credit for the improvements we have made.

Remember, Deron Williams is playing terrible. Gerald Wallace has fallen of a cliff. And JJ is highly inconsistent. Plus we have no starting caliber PF.

We are not going to be much better than we are right now. And it doesn't come down to coaching. We are a 52 win team max IMO.

I don't know what type of expectations you guys have for this team, to be honest. Until Deron Williams plays like a superstar, we will never be a contender.

if we were a joke of a team under avery then we are a joke of a team under PJ because its the exact same thing. we beat up on the terrible teams and get embarassed by good teams.

20-10 under PJ

14-8 under avery if you remove the games lopez didnt play to injury

not really a big difference.

PJ has been better then avery, but still one of the 3 worst coaches in the league

MrDollarBills · Post #15 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:13 pm

Bontemps is an idiot.

Watch the games instead of barking about the record. The Nets barely win these games, and in contests against teams worth a god damn ****, we get embarrassed.

We should be 2nd in the east, and one of the top 10 teams in the league. Instead, we will be a one and done come May. It's because of the talent that we're in the top 4 in the East, and it's because of the coaching that we won't be anything more than 1st rd fodder. I'm telling you, it doesn't matter who we play, Chicago, Milwauke, Atlanta, etc....we will lose because of complete idiocy, and imo, blatant sabotage by a lame duck coach who tries on purpose to **** this team over with his baffling decisions and line ups that any ass worth his salt can see aren't conducive to winning.

The criticisms of PJ are not only warranted, but they are underreported by the media/beat writers who claim to know a thing or two about the sport.

Why is Johnson out with a foot issue? Because he is being played to death. Why is Evans receiving so much playing time? Why has Lopez been benched? Why is Teletovic's minutes given to him erratically? Why doesn't he play Lopez and Blatche at the same time? Why doesn't he play Lopez with Teletovic?

I mean you can go on and on, and those are the light issues. This season can't end soon enough, and it will when the Nets are being smashed 4 games to 1 in the 1st round. Mark my words, we will lose, and it will be humiliating.

Post #16 » by **CalamityX12** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:27 pm

often times we look like a team in preseason form rather than 4 month into the season team....

Coaching sucks... the players have their share/responsibility no doubt, but the coach ability to put them in the best position to succeed has been awful and quite short of meeting expectations...

don't give us that record beat writers!!! if you wanna play that game, give us the record vs .500 plus teams aka playoff teams.... yea, see if your still singing that tune.

MGrand15 · Post #17 » by **MGrand15** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:39 pm

I really hope Prok can somehow get the Phil Jackson-Brian Shaw duo to join us. I'd feel much better with those two making decisions. We'd have our own Riley-Spoelstra combo.

PetroNet · Post #18 » by **PetroNet** » Sun Mar 3, 2013 4:58 pm

good article in the daily news from last nights game...

A familiar postgame explanation emerged from Joe Johnson: “Our effort and energy wasn’t there,” he said. But Johnson grew defensive when asked whether it was on him and Deron Williams to lead a team out of such malaise. “It’s on us as a team,” he said. “We can’t put it on one or two guys. If you put us out there by ourselves, you think we’ll win? Can’t do that.”

way to step up joe! the whole team should lead itself? no leaders needed? not the guy making 20 million a year? GTFO with that. maybe the "effort and energy" would be there if you had an ounce of leadership in your body. im glad youve played well this year and been clutch, but some leadership would provide more then a few game winners...

Changes are coming, assured interim coach P.J. Carlesimo. The Nets (34-26), who lost for the fourth time in five games, are running out of time to buck this downward trend. Carlesimo said his mish-mash rotation will be tightened, with an emphasis on finding Mirza Teletovic more minutes and pairing Brook Lopez with Andray Blatche.

ill believe it when i see it

vincecarter4pres · Post #19 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:36 pm

Indeed.

vincecarter4pres · Post #20 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:37 pm

MGrand15 wrote:I really hope Prok can somehow get the Phil Jackson-Brian Shaw duo to join us. I'd feel much better with those two making decisions. We'd have our own Riley-Spoelstra combo.

Yes I really like the idea of this as well, have really warmed up to it.