Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching

[Walid]

Duane Casey has been aging really fast lately. His facial hair and head hair is graying a lot.

[JYD]

This game is not only winnable, it should be a blowout for us. But Casey trots out the same godawful lineup including Anderson/Lucas and Bargs, and we keep blowing leads with them in, and it breaks all momentum. I swear this has happened half a dozen times in the last couple weeks.

As a day one fan who has watched in the worst of times, I will not watch any more games this season if we lose this one. I can't take anymore of the Bargs fiasco/Casey's idiocy, and the *losing* culture of this team. I'd much rather get back into baseball than continued to be tortured like this.

[Vorticity]

i just wanted to say this thread started off really silly as usual, but thanks to VVV, Undefeated and others, in the last 5-6 pages has taken off to some interesting levels, just wanted to thank you guys, it's been an interesting discussion to follow.
best thread in ages.

[Suga2Panda]

Is it possible to consolidate the Casey threads?

[Suga2Panda]

Grow some balls and make Demar a 6th man.

[lobosloboslobos]

i just wanted to say this thread started off really silly as usual, but thanks to VVV, Undefeated and others, in the last 5-6 pages has taken off to some interesting levels, just wanted to thank you guys, it's been an interesting discussion to follow.
best thread in ages.

yeah totally agree. feel free to do more of this stuff guys.

[dat90zKiD]

I love how no one wants to thank the creator of this thread....

[RapsFanInVA]

I love how no one wants to thank the creator of this thread....

You opened the thread with "This might have been beaten to death"

You didn't reveal anything new.

[vini_vidi_vici]

I left and this thread dissolved into alot of crap again. Its difficult to have a discussion with people on here.

Rough game tonight, as much as id love to talk more 3pt shooting, this was on the defense. Atleast DD brought it on the other end, or this could have been the worst loss since Gay was acquired.

This game is not only winnable, it should be a blowout for us. But Casey trots out the same godawful lineup including Anderson/Lucas and Bargs, and we keep blowing leads with them in, and it breaks all momentum. I swear this has happened half a dozen times in the last couple weeks.

As a day one fan who has watched in the worst of times, I will not watch any more games this season if we lose this one. I can't take anymore of the Bargs fiasco/Casey's idiocy, and the *losing* culture of this team. I'd much rather get back into baseball than continued to be tortured like this.

Enjoy watching whatever alternatives you have, I guess.

where the hell has jonas been? great start to the game, sat forever.

Is CAsey the only guy to not notice we have been getting killed with our small lineup? he goes small all the time lately, its beyond stupid.

He played 24 mins (5th most on the team), 3 more than his average. Hes a rookie, Bargs averaged 24.5 mins his first 2 years. I could cite more examples of rookie big men on sheltered mins, but I dont think youll really change your mind anyways.

As for small ball, and playing the bench, no one on the bench played more than 16 mins. Bargs (15:46), AA (13:34), Fields (7:57), Telfair (7:28), JL3 (6:51), Gray (3:33). Thats not alot.

Casey got one more year on his contract which is HUGE because I can't stand his coaching

Where is Ross?
Why isn't Val on the floor to close games?
Why does Chuckerson get so much PT even when he is playing like crap!
Why dont you leave JL3 out there a little longer when he is making shots rather then bringing in Lowry to chit on us!

Casey is learning on the job and that has cost us 4 games this year..! If not more

A) Flu.
B) I explained above.
C) This game specifically, he barely played. In general, because hes one of the best passer/shooters on this team, which is sad.
D)Because hes a streak shooter, and actually I think he has/does. But Lowry should always play over JL3 irregardless, because hes better.

[TheRealDeal]

Casey Anthony > Dwayne Casey

[vini_vidi_vici]

I love how no one wants to thank the creator of this thread....

Who cares? you added nothing. Rapcity/Mike M/Undefeated/etc.. made this thread great. Infact most of your points were already refuted.

Typical RealGM poster, yearning for attention.

Offence is very simple to me. I don't think any of these things can be argued. The best ways to score are:

1. Transition (we don't do that).
2. Find a way to get dribble penetration or post play that scores at the rim (we don't do that).
3. Get fouled on the way to the rim (we're ok I guess).
4. If you can't get all the way to the rim, your penetration allows you to find the corner 3 (we don't do that).
5. After corner 3, you're looking at regular 3 (We do that a bit but not from penetration).
6. Mid-range 2 (we're all about that).
7. Long 2 (all day long baby!).


Cut for length, sorry I hate when ppl do that, but I apologize. Ill address all I can. Denver comparison.

And yes, Karl's system is completely different than Popovich's, almost the opposite actually. It is the "chaos" theory. It's closer to what I think Casey is aiming for. No 2 possessions are alike.

But both Karl and Pop have the same offensive principles. They just go about it differently. Pop doesn't have a fast young team, so he uses sets. Karl doesn't have great PnR, post or ISO players so he uses speed.

But they dominate in the offensive facets I listed.

We stand around and shoot long 2s.

1- We dont rebound/defend well enough to get out in transition, youll notice Lowry runs the ball out of bounds to get it up tempo quicker on dead ball scenerios, but there isnt much you can do. Def Rtg: 107.6 (24th of 30) and DRBD% 72.7/21st.
2- We do that alot since the trade, its the one thing we've been effective at.
3- DD gets to the line 5.14 times a game. Rudy since the trade, 5.09 times. Lowry 4.16 times. Amir 2.54 times. As you said, but more than okay.
4-5- We dont have good 3pt shooters, nor corner 3 pt shooters.
6- The midrange games of DD/Lowry/Rudy are all pretty average when looking at percentages. But it is the bread and butter I agree.
7- Long 2 is rough I agree.

Casey is building after option three. MIA/OKC/NYK unfortunately.

Denver scores alot because of OREB% (2nd/1st in total), and because they are insanely (edit # 2: not inefficient sorry.) efficient in the midrange and in, and they get to the line alot (2nd). They are top 10 in almost every raw offensive category except FT%/TOV/3pt. They play a fast pace which conversely hurts their defense, despite forcing a ton of turnovers. There isnt one parallel to the Raps.

Pop and Karl are great coaches, and youre right they are different systems, but again based on their personnel. These coaches have the autonomy to say, get this guy. Casey is forced to work with what he has.

Edit: And hey Mike, thanks for all the passion, and dialogue. Best thread on here, and while I disagree with your premise, I love the basketball knowledge and discussion. thanks man.

[dat90zKiD]

I love how no one wants to thank the creator of this thread....

Who cares? you added nothing. Rapcity/Mike M/Undefeated/etc.. made this thread great. Infact most of your points were already refuted.

Typical RealGM poster, yearning for attention.

Offence is very simple to me. I don't think any of these things can be argued. The best ways to score are:

1. Transition (we don't do that).
2. Find a way to get dribble penetration or post play that scores at the rim (we don't do that).
3. Get fouled on the way to the rim (we're ok I guess).
4. If you can't get all the way to the rim, your penetration allows you to find the corner 3 (we don't do that).
5. After corner 3, you're looking at regular 3 (We do that a bit but not from penetration).
6. Mid-range 2 (we're all about that).
7. Long 2 (all day long baby!).


Cut for length, sorry I hate when ppl do that, but I apologize. Ill address all I can. Denver comparison.

And yes, Karl's system is completely different than Popovich's, almost the opposite actually. It is the "chaos" theory. It's closer to what I think Casey is aiming for. No 2 possessions are alike.

But both Karl and Pop have the same offensive principles. They just go about it differently. Pop doesn't have a fast young team, so he uses sets. Karl doesn't have great PnR, post or ISO players so he uses speed.

But they dominate in the offensive facets I listed.

We stand around and shoot long 2s.

1- We dont rebound/defend well enough to get out in transition, youll notice Lowry runs the ball out of bounds to get it up tempo quicker on dead ball scenerios, but there isnt much you can do. Def Rtg: 107.6 (24th of 30) and DRBD% 72.7/21st.
2- We do that alot since the trade, its the one thing we've been effective at.
3- DD gets to the line 5.14 times a game. Rudy since the trade, 5.09 times. Lowry 4.16 times. Amir 2.54 times. As you said, but more than okay.
4-5- We dont have good 3pt shooters, nor corner 3 pt shooters.
6- The midrange games of DD/Lowry/Rudy are all pretty average when looking at percentages. But it is the bread and butter I agree.
7- Long 2 is rough I agree.

Casey is building after option three. MIA/OKC/NYK unfortunately.

Denver scores alot because of OREB% (2nd/1st in total), and because they are insanely inefficient in the midrange and in, and they get to the line alot (2nd). They are top 10 in almost every raw offensive category except FT%/TOV/3pt. They play a fast pace which conversely hurts their defense, despite forcing a ton of turnovers. There isnt one parallel to the Raps.

Pop and Karl are great coaches, and youre right they are different systems, but again based on their personnel. These coaches have the autonomy to say, get this guy. Casey is forced to work with what he has.

Wtf? What crawled up your ass? Are you a doouche in real life too, or just on the internet?

[vini_vidi_vici]

Wtf? What crawled up your ass? Are you a doouche in real life too, or just on the internet?

In real life too.

[Mikestro]

I love how no one wants to thank the creator of this thread....

Who cares? you added nothing. Rapcity/Mike M/Undefeated/etc.. made this thread great. Infact most of your points were already refuted.

Typical RealGM poster, yearning for attention.

Offence is very simple to me. I don't think any of these things can be argued. The best ways to score are:

1. Transition (we don't do that).
2. Find a way to get dribble penetration or post play that scores at the rim (we don't do that).
3. Get fouled on the way to the rim (we're ok I guess).
4. If you can't get all the way to the rim, your penetration allows you to find the corner 3 (we don't do that).
5. After corner 3, you're looking at regular 3 (We do that a bit but not from penetration).
6. Mid-range 2 (we're all about that).
7. Long 2 (all day long baby!).


Cut for length, sorry I hate when ppl do that, but I apologize. Ill address all I can. Denver comparison.

And yes, Karl's system is completely different than Popovich's, almost the opposite actually. It is the "chaos" theory. It's closer to what I think Casey is aiming for. No 2 possessions are alike.

But both Karl and Pop have the same offensive principles. They just go about it differently. Pop doesn't have a fast young team, so he uses sets. Karl doesn't have great PnR, post or ISO players so he uses speed.

But they dominate in the offensive facets I listed.

We stand around and shoot long 2s.

1- We dont rebound/defend well enough to get out in transition, youll notice Lowry runs the ball out of bounds to get it up tempo quicker on dead ball scenerios, but there isnt much you can do. Def Rtg: 107.6 (24th of 30) and DRBD% 72.7/21st.
2- We do that alot since the trade, its the one thing we've been effective at.
3- DD gets to the line 5.14 times a game. Rudy since the trade, 5.09 times. Lowry 4.16 times. Amir 2.54 times. As you said, but more than okay.
4-5- We dont have good 3pt shooters, nor corner 3 pt shooters.
6- The midrange games of DD/Lowry/Rudy are all pretty average when looking at percentages. But it is the bread and butter I agree.
7- Long 2 is rough I agree.

Casey is building after option three. MIA/OKC/NYK unfortunately.

Denver scores alot because of OREB% (2nd/1st in total), and because they are insanely inefficient in the midrange and in, and they get to the line alot (2nd). They are top 10 in almost every raw offensive category except FT%/TOV/3pt. They play a fast pace which conversely hurts their defense, despite forcing a ton of turnovers. There isnt one parallel to the Raps.

Pop and Karl are great coaches, and youre right they are different systems, but again based on their personnel. These coaches have the autonomy to say, get this guy. Casey is forced to work with what he has.

Wtf? What crawled up your ass? Are you a doouche in real life too, or just on the internet?

Relax dude, at least he's contributing meaningful information to discuss. This thread would have died without the numbers he brought in and I'm sure that took a bit of work to get too.

[mdot]

I simply can not comprehend how anyone can still defend Casey. Firstly his rotations are horrible and leaves players out for to long. Were up by like 12 or 14 he sends out the chucking brigade in Lucas and Anderson with Bargs and Field. That group had no defensive creativity and let the Cavs go on a run. Fields, Anderson, JL3 should never ever be on together because if the two chuckers shots aren't falling then were screwed. What does Anderson do to warrant the major minutes hes getting? I don't get it all, hes a chucker and is decent when his shots falling, other then that hes just meh. We lost this game because he let the starters sit for too long and we had to interior presence defending the paint. Val was playing really good out there and was one of the reasons we were up by so much. Then he decides to glue his ass on the bench for some reason. Casey should be fired after this season, he makes no sense.

[vini_vidi_vici]

I simply can not comprehend how anyone can still defend Casey. Firstly his rotations are horrible and leaves players out for to long. Were up by like 12 or 14 he sends out the chucking brigade in Lucas and Anderson with Bargs and Field. That group had no defensive creativity and let the Cavs go on a run. Fields, Anderson, JL3 should never ever be on together because if the two chuckers shots aren't falling then were screwed. What does Anderson do to warrant the major minutes hes getting? I don't get it all, hes a chucker and is decent when his shots falling, other then that hes just meh. We lost this game because he let the starters sit for too long and we had to interior presence defending the paint. Val was playing really good out there and was one of the reasons we were up by so much. Then he decides to glue his ass on the bench for some reason. Casey should be fired after this season, he makes no sense.

Did you just read the OP then post, or did you read the whole thread man? You can comprehend better if you read it. Ill summarize, the roster is flawed, the coach doesnt have many options, or atleast were trying to explore them.

[mdot]

Disagree I read it, and yes he does. Firstly you can not deny that Lucas gets to much burn, watch other games its rare to see a backup pg to play till 5 or 6 minutes left in the second q after subbing in in the last two minutes. It only happens when he is hot, but Lucas is hardly hot. Secondly Anderson will get not get no where the same about of burn that he gets here. If his shots not falling he doesn't deserve minutes. His rotations are awful and his small ball has cost us games this year, whether you want to admit or not.

[Marvin Martian]

I simply can not comprehend how anyone can still defend Casey. Firstly his rotations are horrible and leaves players out for to long. Were up by like 12 or 14 he sends out the chucking brigade in Lucas and Anderson with Bargs and Field. That group had no defensive creativity and let the Cavs go on a run. Fields, Anderson, JL3 should never ever be on together because if the two chuckers shots aren't falling then were screwed. What does Anderson do to warrant the major minutes hes getting? I don't get it all, hes a chucker and is decent when his shots falling, other then that hes just meh. We lost this game because he let the starters sit for too long and we had to interior presence defending the paint. Val was playing really good out there and was one of the reasons we were up by so much. Then he decides to glue his ass on the bench for some reason. Casey should be fired after this season, he makes no sense.

Did you just read the OP then post, or did you read the whole thread man? You can comprehend better if you read it. Ill summarize, the roster is flawed, the coach doesnt have many options, or atleast were trying to explore them.

Clearly Casey needed to play Bargs in the 4th to provide terrible defense and 0 floor stretching.

There is no argument to be made tonight. The roster is flawed but that is no reason for Casey to try to throw this game away by putting Bargs on the floor when Val was playing so well. He should be fired.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Disagree I read it, and yes he does. Firstly you can not deny that Lucas gets to much burn, watch other games its rare to see a backup pg to play till 5 or 6 minutes left in the second q after subbing in in the last two minutes. It only happens when he is hot, but Lucas is hardly hot. Secondly Anderson will get not get no where the same about of burn that he gets here. If his shots not falling he doesn't deserve minutes. His rotations are awful and his small ball has cost us games this year, whether you want to admit or not.

Ugh so here goes.

Lucas is the best 3pt shooter on this team, and averages 12.6 MP, ahead of only Aaron Gray and Acy. Since the trade, hes had games of [18:44/17:03/10:08/18:33/19:30/14:00/22:09/16:20/11:36/14:23/16:36] as the primary back up, tonight 6:51/Telfair 7:28. And he shot .527 (39 for 74), .617 (21 for 34) from 3, since the trade. Thanks Veez.

Anderson is the third best 3pt shooter on the team by %. He can also handle the ball in a pinch. His rotations arent awful thats debatable too. And small ball is only played because the 3 best shooters on this team have been JL3/Lowry/Caldy/now Telfair (which hes shooting a career high .381%). Why do you need shooters you ask? as I illustrated, these perimeter players need someone to drive and kick to.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Clearly Casey needed to play Bargs in the 4th to provide terrible defense and 0 floor stretching.

There is no argument to be made tonight. The roster is flawed but that is no reason for Casey to try to throw this game away by putting Bargs on the floor when Val was playing so well. He should be fired.

Who should he have used?

He played 24 mins (5th most on the team), 3 more than his average. Hes a rookie, Bargs averaged 24.5 mins his first 2 years. I could cite more examples of rookie big men on sheltered mins, but I dont think youll really change your mind anyways. FWIW Bargs only played 15:46.