Interior defense: Bargnani has second lowest opp percentage.

[hsb]

Interesting, but its not worth sharing. Its such a vacuum stat its useless. I guess it shows defensive potential though?

Did you check the link or just read the table?

I mean some defenders like Ibaka or same Varejao really impacts the game just being there. It lowers offensive confidence knowing there are guys who can appear from nowhere and contest your shot. You cant calculate that, this is why I dont like advanced defensive stats that much. Some of these stats just laughs at good defenders.

The article made a similar point when referencing Howard. There is a also pieces on Ibaka.

Perhaps the most logical method to evaluate this disruption is to measure the spatial shooting patterns and efficiencies of NBA teams in the presence of different interior defenders. Using emerging data sets from SportVu, it’s now possible – although still not easy – to look at defense in new ways. In the case of interior defense, we can evaluate how NBA offenses behave differently depending on which NBA “bigs” are on the floor; furthermore, we can evaluate how offenses behave when a given NBA interior defender is “protecting the rim” or near a shot event

Anyways, check the link, it's not a bad read.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Thanks. I like Goldsberry's attempts to qualify NBA data and love SportVU. We may be only 10 or so years away from NBA stats being useful.

This piece from last year's conference, on offensive spatial analytics, was interesting also.

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp ... ission.pdf

[roundhead0]

Cool but the problem is Bargs is always more than 5 feet away from providing help D

Know why Bargs never gets posterized? He's too far out of position to get into the picture.

[Harry Palmer]

Pretty sure Bargnani's not allowed to be good at anything.

He's a victim, all right.

[Rhettmatic]

Apparently this very topic came up at the Sloan conference:

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA
#SSAC13 --- Bargnani has a very good proximal field goal percentage... Mainly because he does not get near players he defends...

[BackseatBoss]

Apparently this very topic came up at the Sloan conference:

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA
#SSAC13 --- Bargnani has a very good proximal field goal percentage... Mainly because he does not get near players he defends...

And there you go, these stats are completely useless.

[yvehs]

Apparently this very topic came up at the Sloan conference:

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA
#SSAC13 --- Bargnani has a very good proximal field goal percentage... Mainly because he does not get near players he defends...

[Neutral 123]

Sigh, this doesn't measure 1 on 1 defense. Bargnani ranked 2nd when for basically protecting the paint. A couple of problems. That percentage assumes he's there, and of course that's the biggest issue with Bargnani, he's NEVER there! That's why he ranks 90th in terms of 'being there' in appendix 2. Val actually ranks 10th in that category.

90 Andrea Bargnani 727 1.0 9.8 21.9


Basically he's within 3 feet less than half the top guys, and is within 5 feet more than 50% less than top guys. This study was done with the purpose of evaluating interior defense overall, namely, not help vs. one on one defense.

[dagger]

Actually, if any fans here actually had the balls to be honest instead of, well, sheep, they would simply admit his man D is quite good and just move on. It's not required that a player be good or bad at everything. He is a poor help D defender, we all know that, too. When the Raptors are getting abused by a particular big man in the post, the solution is often to put Bargnani on that guy, and things level off quickly.

He doesn't seem to fit the style of play we are developing (I think there is one, even if it's one I heartily dislike) so it's time for a change. But that doesn't mean he doesn't do well what he does well.

Again, it's about being honest instead of just shrieking, "It can't be true" or looking for excuses as to why it can't be what it is.

It's also why some people can't stand any negativity - even when justified - about players doing well (or who are their favourites). I mean tell some people that Amir has the third highest foul/48m rate among regulars in the league and that many of his fouls are stupid or at least unnecessary, or that he has a hard time defending baseline drives by quick power forwards, and some people (Liston) go crazy for even bringing these matters up.

Sheep.

[Spacing]

Bargs has always had good man to man d, it's his help d, rebounding, boxing out, etc that should be criticized and rightfully so. Include shot selection on that list too but the same can be said for Rudy, or Casey's coaching. I think it's a bit of both.

[Neutral 123]

Except the study is not measuring one on one defense. He also rarely gets the tougher defensive assignment either. Now he doesn't even play at all.

[Neutral 123]

Bargs has always had good man to man d, it's his help d, rebounding, boxing out, etc that should be criticized and rightfully so. Include shot selection on that list too but the same can be said for Rudy, or Casey's coaching. I think it's a bit of both.

I can only consider that to be true when Bargnani takes on the tougher defensive assignments. Also, the OP has come up with a false conclusion. This study is measuring interior defense in general, not one on one vs help defense.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I think what a lot of people are pointing out is that the statistic is presented without context and confused for good defense. It doesn't account for quantity and quality of opposition. Also, that he is really capable at post defense makes it even more infuriating that he won't help. Help defense isn't skill-based, it's effort and intelligence.

[Neutral 123]

I think what a lot of people are pointing out is that the statistic is presented without context and confused for good defense. It doesn't account for quantity and quality of opposition. Also, that he is really capable at post defense makes it even more infuriating that he won't help. Help defense isn't skill-based, it's effort and intelligence.

Actually it attempts to measure how often a guy is defending these types of shots. Bargnani ranked 90th out of 93 guys ranked.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I think what a lot of people are pointing out is that the statistic is presented without context and confused for good defense. It doesn't account for quantity and quality of opposition. Also, that he is really capable at post defense makes it even more infuriating that he won't help. Help defense isn't skill-based, it's effort and intelligence.

Actually it attempts to measure how often a guy is defending these types of shots. Bargnani ranked 90th out of 93 guys ranked.

Right. I know they count attempts, but it's still a small sample within the league. They're using SportsVu data.

[Neutral 123]

I think what a lot of people are pointing out is that the statistic is presented without context and confused for good defense. It doesn't account for quantity and quality of opposition. Also, that he is really capable at post defense makes it even more infuriating that he won't help. Help defense isn't skill-based, it's effort and intelligence.

Actually it attempts to measure how often a guy is defending these types of shots. Bargnani ranked 90th out of 93 guys ranked.

Right. I know they count attempts, but it's still a small sample within the league. They're using SportsVu data.

Yeah, only 15 arenas have them if I remember correctly from the study.

[Indeed]

Actually, if any fans here actually had the balls to be honest instead of, well, sheep, they would simply admit his man D is quite good and just move on. It's not required that a player be good or bad at everything. He is a poor help D defender, we all know that, too. When the Raptors are getting abused by a particular big man in the post, the solution is often to put Bargnani on that guy, and things level off quickly.

He doesn't seem to fit the style of play we are developing (I think there is one, even if it's one I heartily dislike) so it's time for a change. But that doesn't mean he doesn't do well what he does well.

Again, it's about being honest instead of just shrieking, "It can't be true" or looking for excuses as to why it can't be what it is.

It's also why some people can't stand any negativity - even when justified - about players doing well (or who are their favourites). I mean tell some people that Amir has the third highest foul/48m rate among regulars in the league and that many of his fouls are stupid or at least unnecessary, or that he has a hard time defending baseline drives by quick power forwards, and some people (Liston) go crazy for even bringing these matters up.

Sheep.

I am not sure why you think he doesn't fit the development. He maybe traded, which I don't care, but Bargnani, Jonas, Gay, Ross and Lowry are capable of the tight gritty defense on slow half court (boring) game. Bargnani and Jonas are not good with the fast pace game where BC wants to push for, but they definitely fits the slow pace Casey (pond the rock) style. DeRozan may fit in with his mid-range game, but it depends on his man defense.

[YoungG]

not this again... Honestly, as bad as Poognani's help side defense and defensive awareness is terrible, he seems to be able to hold his ground against other big men when they try to take him one on one. Despite how he seems to hate to admit it (and Leo loves to) he is a 7 footer.

Poognani's big and long enough to disrupt shots. That's about it.

[Kabookalu]

I've mentioned this a lot already but for all the flack that Bargnani's lack of defensive awareness gets he does the bare minimum of what's being asked of from his coach. He understands where to be positionally and because of his long arms and somewhat underrated timing on blocks he is able to contest shots well. The problem is when you ask him to do a little bit more than that, always being aware of the court and who's entering the paint. He'll rarely do that.

[Scase]

Actually, if any fans here actually had the balls to be honest instead of, well, sheep, they would simply admit his man D is quite good and just move on. It's not required that a player be good or bad at everything. He is a poor help D defender, we all know that, too. When the Raptors are getting abused by a particular big man in the post, the solution is often to put Bargnani on that guy, and things level off quickly.

He doesn't seem to fit the style of play we are developing (I think there is one, even if it's one I heartily dislike) so it's time for a change. But that doesn't mean he doesn't do well what he does well.

Again, it's about being honest instead of just shrieking, "It can't be true" or looking for excuses as to why it can't be what it is.

It's also why some people can't stand any negativity - even when justified - about players doing well (or who are their favourites). I mean tell some people that Amir has the third highest foul/48m rate among regulars in the league and that many of his fouls are stupid or at least unnecessary, or that he has a hard time defending baseline drives by quick power forwards, and some people (Liston) go crazy for even bringing these matters up.

Sheep.

Plenty of people over the years have raved about his man D, that doesn't make him good at anything else however. And when the 'stat gurus" are stating he's only that high on the list cause he's never close to his man, I'm more inclined to believe them than someone who (ironically might I add) calls people sheep who don't agree with their opinion.