Official Tobias Harris watch thread (The End)

[whatthe_buck!?]

Yeah, I don't understand that either. If he's a productive young player at all it's a bad trade. We got nothing relevant long-term out of the deal, unless people think that Redick being here for 30 games will make him want to take less to stay here than go elsewhere, which I'd bet strongly against.

This is an interesting point. This organization is such a mess from top to bottom right now the case could be made that bringing JJ here for 30 games to experience it firsthand and be the third wheel to the swag backcourt might actually make him want to sign here EVEN LESS than if we had just approached him in the offseason with a higher offer than anybody else was willing to pay him. I don't even think that's all that farfetched of a scenario. If he is on the bench at the end of games for the rest of the year and Monta opts in and we match Jennings offer sheet, I could see him being like f*ck it, I'd rather take less money to go play for a contender than to stick around and watch this sh*tshow from the bench for another year at least...

[th87]

Hopped out of bed. Still hate this team.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

if the last 2 games has proved anything its that the core of this team is committed, hungry, and still has alot of fight. im glad jj will get to play with that before he decides to resign. and i think if he were posting today hed probably tell the fans that arent behind this team making it to the playoffs that they should go **** themselves.... dont you think he would say that assuming he uses words like that in casual conversation? i dont personally know if he does im just imagining.

[Sherman Douglas]

if the last 2 games has proved anything its that the core of this team is committed, hungry, and still has alot of fight. im glad jj will get to play with that before he decides to resign. and i think if he were posting today hed probably tell the fans that arent behind this team making it to the playoffs that they should go **** themselves.... dont you think he would say that assuming he uses words like that in casual conversation? i dont personally know if he does im just imagining.

Yes we know, you're a good little boy that supports every band-aid trade the Bucks make every season. Good for you. Let me know how that worked out 5 years from now when the team is still chasing the 8 seed with unmatched vigor with a roster built around Demar DeRozan or whatever inefficient SG Kohl is blowing his load over at the time.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

if the last 2 games has proved anything its that the core of this team is committed, hungry, and still has alot of fight. im glad jj will get to play with that before he decides to resign. and i think if he were posting today hed probably tell the fans that arent behind this team making it to the playoffs that they should go **** themselves.... dont you think he would say that assuming he uses words like that in casual conversation? i dont personally know if he does im just imagining.

Yes we know, you're a good little boy that supports every band-aid trade the Bucks make every season. Good for you. Let me know how that worked out 5 years from now when the team is still chasing the 8 seed with unmatched vigor with a roster built around Demar DeRozan or whatever inefficient SG Kohl is blowing his load over at the time.

im not supporting this trade. im supporting the team. i like the team and their last trade sucked. we could have had redick for udrih/protected #1 and we gave up harris/ lamb. stupid stupid as far as im concerned.

that doesnt change the fact that the team is the best positioned its been in years with some of the best talent on the floor its had as well.

as far as the post i made above.... get a clue. it didnt even have anything to do with the trade. it was to mock anybody who thinks having jj on the team for a playoff run somehow gives us a worse chance of signing him next year than if we hadnt made this trade and he'd went somewhere else. since when has that ever happened?

[beyond_the_arc]

How many times are you going to defend Hammond and his indefensible record before you just stfu and move on?

why are you being so mean and scary? im glad your on the internet and not real life. you sound really tough. like a mean scary internet tough guy.

I used your own wording from a previous post, genius.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I agree with GOS.

It is possible to hate the trade but still support the team and enjoy watching Redick & Ellis these last two games.

[fansinceforever]

I could care less what JJ would say to me for not getting behind this organization's inexplicable decisions. I'm not even hoping this team misses the PO's. In fact, after all of this, they better f'ing make the playoffs. And not as an f'in 8th seed either. I never really cheer for the tank bc a proper tank is carried out bc you simply don't have the talent/experience/skill level yet to compete at this level.

You're gonna get what u want, ok? You're gonna get the 8th seed, a 1st rd trouncing and then a sequence of moves in the off season to put us in position to be right back here next year. Enjoy.

[Sherman Douglas]

that doesnt change the fact that the team is the best positioned its been in years with some of the best talent on the floor its had as well.

Wow, we're better positioned than those teams that missed the playoffs and were totally irrelevant? Praise Jesus.

[fansinceforever]

I agree with GOS.

It is possible to hate the trade but still support the team and enjoy watching Redick & Ellis these last two games.

Yeh but who cares if they are "hungry", "committed" and "ready to fight" if they don't have the talent to do anything worth a damn?

[whatthe_buck!?]

if the last 2 games has proved anything its that the core of this team is committed, hungry, and still has alot of fight. im glad jj will get to play with that before he decides to resign. and i think if he were posting today hed probably tell the fans that arent behind this team making it to the playoffs that they should go **** themselves.... dont you think he would say that assuming he uses words like that in casual conversation? i dont personally know if he does im just imagining.

Yes we know, you're a good little boy that supports every band-aid trade the Bucks make every season. Good for you. Let me know how that worked out 5 years from now when the team is still chasing the 8 seed with unmatched vigor with a roster built around Demar DeRozan or whatever inefficient SG Kohl is blowing his load over at the time.

im not supporting this trade. im supporting the team. i like the team and their last trade sucked. we could have had redick for udrih/protected #1 and we gave up harris/ lamb. stupid stupid as far as im concerned.

that doesnt change the fact that the team is the best positioned its been in years with some of the best talent on the floor its had as well.

as far as the post i made above.... get a clue. it didnt even have anything to do with the trade. it was to mock anybody who thinks having jj on the team for a playoff run somehow gives us a worse chance of signing him next year than if we hadnt made this trade and he'd went somewhere else. since when has that ever happened?

I want the team to win. I'm rooting for wins and for the team to make noise in the playoffs. Just because i may not think another FTD run is in the cards this year doesnt mean im not rooting for it to happen. I just choose to examine negative potential outcomes and to forcefully argue my honest opinion when we make a terrible blunder like we did at the deadline instead of only focusing on the positive and assuming that things will turn out in line with what the best case scenario could be.

Im sure you have those same doubts and troubled thoughts about what's really going on with this franchise but u choose to put on a happy face when u post here and that's cool with me, especially since if not for u and a select few other posters their would be essentially no opposing opinions to get worked up about and this board wouldn't be so goddam much fun to come and read/post in.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I agree with GOS.

It is possible to hate the trade but still support the team and enjoy watching Redick & Ellis these last two games.

Yeh but who cares if they are "hungry", "committed" and "ready to fight" if they don't have the talent to do anything worth a damn?

The last two games were the most fun I've had watching the Bucks since 2010.

If some people want to continue to pout and sulk while we are winning games, that is your choice.

My choice is to enjoy what's happening right now because it's very entertaining basketball.

Like I said....I hate the trade with a passion bc we gave up Tobias, but I am still supporting the team.


Kinda like you can hate a war, but still support the troops sort of thing.

[fansinceforever]

I agree with GOS.

It is possible to hate the trade but still support the team and enjoy watching Redick & Ellis these last two games.

Yeh but who cares if they are "hungry", "committed" and "ready to fight" if they don't have the talent to do anything worth a damn?

The last two games were the most fun I've had watching the Bucks since 2010.

If some people want to continue to pout and sulk while we are winning games, that is your choice.

My choice is to enjoy what's happening right now because it's very entertaining basketball.

Like I said....I hate the trade with a passion bc we gave up Tobias, but I am still supporting the team.


Kinda like you can hate a war, but still support the troops sort of thing.

I read you.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Im sure you have those same doubts and troubled thoughts about what's really going on with this franchise but u choose to put on a happy face when u post here and that's cool with me, especially since if not for u and a select few other posters their would be essentially no opposing opinions to get worked up about and this board wouldn't be so goddam much fun to come and read/post in.

thanks... this sums it up. im just as concerned as those i oppose around here much of the time and im fully aware that the glass has been half full/empty with the milwaukee bucks for a long long time. i just have much more of a realists approach to what is reasonably possible here at the present time. for me i really just like watching the games, following the league and players.... enjoying it year to year. im definitely not in some death match mental duel with real nba gms trying to show how much better id do either. i kinda find that kind of poster annoying after awhile as im sure you can see. anyway... thanks for acknowledging that there is a place on this board for me..... ive been attacked pretty hard here the last couple days for trying to paint some positives.... which sucks of course.

[JimmyTheKid]

if the last 2 games has proved anything its that the core of this team is committed, hungry, and still has alot of fight. im glad jj will get to play with that before he decides to resign. and i think if he were posting today hed probably tell the fans that arent behind this team making it to the playoffs that they should go **** themselves.... dont you think he would say that assuming he uses words like that in casual conversation? i dont personally know if he does im just imagining.

FYI, you can hate the trade, the overall state of the organization, and still "get behind" JJ and the Bucks.

[BUCKnation]

Hopped out of bed. Still hate this team.

I turned my swag on.

[El Duderino]

I think you're being way to harsh when judging Hammond's ability to evaluate talent in the draft. Yea, he's made moves which has forced him to pick later in drafts than should have been the case, but when you look at where he's actually picked, i think he's shown a good eye for talent.

Clearly Alexander was an epic bust.

While Lawson and Holiday would surely have been better than picking Jennings, when picking at 10 in a draft, picking a guy like Brandon is far from being terrible talent evaluation. Plenty busts or fringe players get picked outside the top 3-5 picks.

Sanders at 15 in what was mostly a wasteland of talent surrounding that pick, picking Larry has ended up being a grand slam.

It was dumb to trade Harris for Redick, but going forward i see the odds being very strong that Tobias will end up becoming a much better player than what typically is found at the 19th pick in drafts.

I liked the Henson pick when it was made and have seen nothing so far to make me wish Hammond had taken someone else at 14 instead.

Moute and Meeks were good talent evaluations for 2nd round picks. Lamb we'll find out about.

Sadly IMO, if Hammond was only on the payroll as say a designated drafter to just handle picking the players at whatever draft spot the Bucks are at, i think he'd be an asset. It's everywhere else as a GM that he sucks.

Sure Hammond and has a solid eye for draft talent. And you're right, if he was just a scout for the draft would probably be a good hire. But I'm going to judge him based off the results, in which case I'm going to include getting basically 1/3 of a season of Redick for the 10th pick in 2011 draft. He made a great pick with Harris, especially after moving down in the draft, but his inability to recognize his own talent should be held against him.

Just like many some here don't believe in Harris, I reserved judgement on Jennings until he could he could do something other than shoot a 3. The fact that BJ is an average PG doesn't say much to much me. Most people don't want him here long term and very few think he'll ever be a difference maker. Same goes for Henson for me (although I realize I'm in the minority here, hope I'm wrong though).

Sanders is the reason Hammond got a 3 year extension. Period. Kohl probably isn't even aware that he's the reason this team is .500, but it's definitely the case. And I've given Hammy immense credit for the pick. Without that pick though, his draft results look like a steaming pile of dung.

Not if Tobias and Henson end up having careers which are better than typically happens with the 19th and 14th picks in the draft. I'm very confident that will end up being the case.

[Baddy Chuck]

Not if Tobias and Henson end up having careers which are better than typically happens with the 19th and 14th picks in the draft. I'm very confident that will end up being the case.

It's ridiculous to use a player he gave up on as a judgment of his ability. He drafted, great. He traded him because he obviously saw something wasn't there. If that something shows, which it has been the past couple games, it is a notch against Hammond by a wide margin rather then for.

[OrlDave]

Magic fan here. I can sympathize with your angst. In the past we had done a fairly poor job developing our talent. Stan VG was notoriously bad at this. Granted our team considered itself a title contender (probably erroneously) but still that is no excuse not to develop talent and keep an eye on the future. Now we are in full development mode so if any of the 8 rookies or sophomores on our roster don't make it, it won't be because of lack of playing time. It is entirely possible that Harris will flourish in Orlando, but may not have succeeded in any other situation. I say that because let's say he becomes a starter or even a star, that doesn't mean he would have done so if he stayed in MIL. So I hope that makes you feel maybe a tiny bit better?

Anyway, best of luck the rest of the way. I have no horses in the playoffs since the Magic are clearly not going to be there, so I'll certainly pull for JJ and the Bucks. GL.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Not if Tobias and Henson end up having careers which are better than typically happens with the 19th and 14th picks in the draft. I'm very confident that will end up being the case.

It's ridiculous to use a player he gave up on as a judgment of his ability. He drafted, great. He traded him because he obviously saw something wasn't there. If that something shows, which it has been the past couple games, it is a notch against Hammond by a wide margin rather then for.

+1
Edit: Ridiculous might be too strong there, because if Hammond had drafted Harris and he turned out to be a BOA level bust then he wouldn't have been to use him to get good player like Redick, but if u replace 'ridiculous' with 'unfair' then I agree 100%