Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching

[Undefeated]

Having proper floor spacing certainly helps to create better looks for the big diving to the rim, but that should not be the main factor stopping the Raptors from running it more often for Jonas. It’s harder to run the high pick-and-roll at the top of the key without 3-Pt shooters I agree, but one way you can run more pick-and-roll plays is through quick hitting passes reversing the ball side-to-side to create seams in the defense when they're shifting to get a foot/step ahead of the defense when the team does not have threats from outside.

I really liked what the Knicks did here with the Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler combo against the Raptors in preseason. They have James White at SG who is no where near a good 3-Pt shooter camping in the right corner, and ever since Amare has come back they've been using it a lot more to make use of the Amare and Tyson combo. First they have Tyson coming up setting a flat screen for Felton.



Chandler slips the screen, and it turns into a corner pick-and-roll with Amare Stoudemire making the dribble hand-off to 'Melo.



You can see that the defense is reacting to where the ball is going after the initial high pick-and-roll leaving the baseline vacant since Chandler is such a threat down the middle to catch-and-finish that the Raptors are keeping him out of there by converging towards the middle. This allows Amare to slip, "open up" with the front of his body facing 'Melo and 'Melo fires a quick pocket bounce pass to Amare finishing with a dunk.



Since Amir is such a threat down the middle similar to Tyson Chandler, have Lowry and Amir as a decoy then turning it into a side or corner pick-and-roll with Rudy and Jonas. Rudy's shown to make some spectacular pocket bounce passes, so use him there like the Knicks are doing with 'Melo. I can understand not using Jonas more because he's not a consistent finisher, but if you watch a lot of baseline drives or rolls it usually results in a made basket or free-throws regardless of how well or terrible of a finisher they are; harder to stop a player when he has momentum going baseline. Rudy and Lowry are both capable long-range shooters just like 'Melo and Felton despite the %s might not show for it you can still see their defender respecting their shot by crowding their dribble a lot of the time.

Here's the play in real time at the 0:16 mark for anyone interested:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X30Rv0jhxOM[/youtube]

[vini_vidi_vici]

Having proper floor spacing certainly helps to create better looks for the big diving to the rim, but that should not be the main factor stopping the Raptors from running it more often for Jonas. It’s harder to run the high pick-and-roll at the top of the key without 3-Pt shooters I agree, but one way you can run more pick-and-roll plays is through quick hitting passes reversing the ball side-to-side to create seams in the defense when they're shifting to get a foot/step ahead of the defense when the team does not have threats from outside.

I really liked what the Knicks did here with the Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler combo. They have James White at SG who is no where near a good 3-Pt shooter camping in the right corner, and ever since Amare has come back they've been using it a lot more. First they have Tyson coming up setting a flat screen for Felton.



Chandler slips the screen, and it turns into a corner pick-and-roll with Amare Stoudemire making the dribble hand-off to 'Melo.



You can see that the defense is reacting to where the ball is going after the initial high pick-and-roll leaving the baseline vacant since Chandler is such a threat down the middle that the Raptors are keeping him out of there by converging towards the middle. This allows Amare to slip, "open up" with the front of his body facing 'Melo and 'Melo fires a quick pocket bounce pass to Amare finishing with a dunk.



Since Amir is such a threat down the middle similar to Tyson Chandler, have Lowry and Amir as a decoy then turning it into a side or corner pick-and-roll with Rudy and Jonas. Rudy's shown to make some spectacular pocket bounce passes, so use him there like the Knicks are doing with 'Melo. I can understand not using Jonas more because he's not a consistent finisher, but if you watch a lot of baseline drives or rolls it usually results in a made basket or free-throws regardless of how well or terrible of a finisher they are; harder to stop a player when he has momentum going baseline.

I love this man, thanks. Sebastian Pruiti be damned.

The only issue I have is teams wont collapse on the ball handler at the 3pt line, whether they hedge or not. Teams have been going under screens alot, forcing the shot. And defensively, the Raps played that play in particular very bad from the screen shot, look how far back Bargs is on the intial pick by Amare, then he goes to a spot, not bodying up on the hedge. But lets not make this about Andrea.

[SciencePiggy]

Keep up man, page 12.

Lucas is the best 3pt shooter on this team, and averages 12.6 MP, ahead of only Aaron Gray and Acy. Since the trade, hes had games of [18:44/17:03/10:08/18:33/19:30/14:00/22:09/16:20/11:36/14:23/16:36] as the primary back up, tonight 6:51/Telfair 7:28. And he shot .527 (39 for 74), .617 (21 for 34) from 3, since the trade.

Admittedly by discussed I was referring to comparing lineups 5,7, and 8 but as garbagnani said doesn't that raise some flags about what can be inferred? You sub out one guy shooting 74 / 185 = 40.0% for another shooting 46 / 110 = 41.8% and suddenly your +/- shoots up 40-50 points?

[vini_vidi_vici]

Keep up man, page 12.

Lucas is the best 3pt shooter on this team, and averages 12.6 MP, ahead of only Aaron Gray and Acy. Since the trade, hes had games of [18:44/17:03/10:08/18:33/19:30/14:00/22:09/16:20/11:36/14:23/16:36] as the primary back up, tonight 6:51/Telfair 7:28. And he shot .527 (39 for 74), .617 (21 for 34) from 3, since the trade.

Admittedly by discussed I was referring to comparing lineups 5,7, and 8 but as garbagnani said doesn't that raise some flags about what can be inferred? You sub out one guy shooting 74 / 185 = 40.0% for another shooting 46 / 110 = 41.8% and suddenly your +/- shoots up 40-50 points?

Fair enough, but again were all dealing in ridiculous small sample sizes, so deriving anything is tough. And again were talking about how they match up vs OPP not vs each other, diff match ups etc.. You can raise red flags, but the narrative (Edit: Not Science) was Rudy as a 4 is ridiculous. Its not.

Edit: Sorry man.

[SciencePiggy]

Keep up man, page 12.

Lucas is the best 3pt shooter on this team, and averages 12.6 MP, ahead of only Aaron Gray and Acy. Since the trade, hes had games of [18:44/17:03/10:08/18:33/19:30/14:00/22:09/16:20/11:36/14:23/16:36] as the primary back up, tonight 6:51/Telfair 7:28. And he shot .527 (39 for 74), .617 (21 for 34) from 3, since the trade.

Admittedly by discussed I was referring to comparing lineups 5,7, and 8 but as garbagnani said doesn't that raise some flags about what can be inferred? You sub out one guy shooting 74 / 185 = 40.0% for another shooting 46 / 110 = 41.8% and suddenly your +/- shoots up 40-50 points?

Fair enough, but again were all dealing in ridiculous small sample sizes, so deriving anything is tough. And again were talking about how they match up vs OPP not vs each other, diff match ups etc.. You can raise red flags, but the narrative was Rudy as a 4 is ridiculous. Its not.

Again, not my narrative but somehow got included with the @Science reply

[lobosloboslobos]

You guys are way over my head but i'll keep asking my naive/dumb questions because that's how I learn.

OK, I get that the defense can pack the paint because we have weak outside shooters, that we don't draw defenders out of position because our guys don't generally know how to make high IQ cuts and they are not very good passers, and that KL is not an especially good p/n/r passer and that is all part of why JV gets few passes when he rolls...

BUT

being the naive guy I am I can't help but notice him game after game appearing (to me anyway) to be very open as he rolls from the top of the key waving his hands frantically for the ball with maybe one defender between him and the rim, and again and again our guys refuse to pass to him.

Am I missing something here? Is he not actually open? That is his sweet spot. Remember he shot 70% over the entire season last year (!) rolling and finishing relentlessly. What is the logic in the coach not insisting that Rudy and Demar and KL and AA all feed him the ball when he rolls? Why is this not a staple of our offense?

[dTox]

Casey just said he played Bargs the entire 4th quarter over Jonas to match up with Luke Walton, and he also threw in "for rebounding and defensive purposes"...

[SciencePiggy]

You guys are way over my head but i'll keep asking my naive/dumb questions because that's how I learn.

OK, I get that the defense can pack the paint because we have weak outside shooters, that we don't draw defenders out of position because our guys don't generally know how to make high IQ cuts and they are not very good passers, and that KL is not an especially good p/n/r passer and that is all part of why JV gets few passes when he rolls...

BUT

being the naive guy I am I can't help but notice him game after game appearing (to me anyway) to be very open as he rolls from the top of the key waving his hands frantically for the ball with maybe one defender between him and the rim, and again and again our guys refuse to pass to him.

Am I missing something here? Is he not actually open? That is his sweet spot. Remember he shot 70% over the entire season last year (!) rolling and finishing relentlessly. What is the logic in the coach not insisting that Rudy and Demar and KL and AA all feed him the ball when he rolls? Why is this not a staple of our offense?

I don't know if it's the same situation but it does remind me of the old complaints about Calderon not feeding the paint directly. Val can present all day long but if there's not good daylight between the point and him it still makes for a risky pass.

On the other hand if the ball moves from the point to the wing, gets the defense to shift, then the wing player would have a better shot at feeding the paint. I could be talking out my ass, but it does support the observation that Rudy does a better job feeding Jonas.

[vini_vidi_vici]

You guys are way over my head but i'll keep asking my naive/dumb questions because that's how I learn.

OK, I get that the defense can pack the paint because we have weak outside shooters, that we don't draw defenders out of position because our guys don't generally know how to make high IQ cuts and they are not very good passers, and that KL is not an especially good p/n/r passer and that is all part of why JV gets few passes when he rolls...

BUT

being the naive guy I am I can't help but notice him game after game appearing (to me anyway) to be very open as he rolls from the top of the key waving his hands frantically for the ball with maybe one defender between him and the rim, and again and again our guys refuse to pass to him.

Am I missing something here? Is he not actually open? That is his sweet spot. Remember he shot 70% over the entire season last year (!) rolling and finishing relentlessly. What is the logic in the coach not insisting that Rudy and Demar and KL and AA all feed him the ball when he rolls? Why is this not a staple of our offense?

I think maybe it hasnt been as fleshed out how we dont have very good passers. When we ran alot of set plays, or the instance PnR, it was Jose who initiated the offense. He forces players to go over top of the screen, because hes such a great 3pt shooter, so now if the guy is caught behind Jose had the option to step up, forcing the the man hedging to step back, opening up the passing lane to the roller and forcing a mini 2 on 1. With Kyle, hes learning and more an ISO player. When he steps forward, he isnt looking to pass most often, just take it to the bucket, throw in the rest of the guys listed. Problem is, very rarely do teams go over screens against the Raps because they are forcing the shot.

Edit: They have been switching or going under. Which now with a switch, reverts back to an ISO to the mismatch. K im really gone.

If we had better passers, perhaps he would get better looks, if we had more shooters, maybe too. Unfortunately we dont.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Casey just said he played Bargs the entire quarter over Jonas to match up with Luke Walton, and he also threw in "for rebounding and defensive purposes"...

Walton shoots almost double his shots, from 16ft and beyond.

Bargnani is actually a decent man defender, and better against perimeter oriented bigs, atleast compared to Gray/Acy/Val. I dont know how he meant the rebounding part, but I understand the defensive purposes.

Edit: Time to work, I might come back tonight, if not hopefully others will keep this thread going. Take care guys.

[Bankai]

Casey just said he played Bargs the entire quarter over Jonas to match up with Luke Walton, and he also threw in "for rebounding and defensive purposes"...

Walton shoots almost double his shots, from 16ft and beyond.

Bargnani is actually a decent man defender, and better against perimeter oriented bigs, atleast compared to Gray/Acy/Val. I dont know how he meant the rebounding part, but I understand the defensive purposes.

Edit: Time to work, I might come back tonight, if not hopefully others will keep this thread going. Take care guys.

Sadly Luke Walton played the game of his life because Bargnani was on the floor and was getting eaten up by him. So that obviously failed. Another thing is that, the day that a Coach focuses on stopping Luke Walton, is the time you know that he doesent have a clue.

[dTox]

Casey just said he played Bargs the entire quarter over Jonas to match up with Luke Walton, and he also threw in "for rebounding and defensive purposes"...

Walton shoots almost double his shots, from 16ft and beyond.

Bargnani is actually a decent man defender, and better against perimeter oriented bigs, atleast compared to Gray/Acy/Val. I dont know how he meant the rebounding part, but I understand the defensive purposes.

You don't try and match up with Luke Walton, that in itself is a very flawed Logic. Jonas in the post would have also been a mismatch against Luke, and was a much better rim protector last nightin comparison to Bargs, we were getting killed in the paint with little weakside help along with getting out rebounded, both feat that Bargnani has little to provide for. What was even more confusing was that the lineup that started off the game was working and delivering, and when he went away from this, it went downhill from that point on yet he chose to stick with it

[Big Shot]

Sadly Luke Walton played the game of his life because Bargnani was on the floor and was getting eaten up by him. So that obviously failed. Another thing is that, the day that a Coach focuses on stopping Luke Walton, is the time you know that he doesent have a clue.

It wasn't even like Walton's killing us out there and we needed to stop him by any means. For god sake, play the players who's been playing well, not someone who didn't know what he's doing. I'm sick and tired of this joker coach.

[garbagnani]

Unfortunately our wings aren't good 3 point shooters. I figure we should have one of Anderson, Ross, Bargnani parked in corner on offense. I prefer when there are shooters in both corners really. We need spacing. Having bargnani parked at top of key is useless.

[Rapcity_11]

I appreciate the data, but those sample sizes are ridiculously small. Some of these lineups were on the floor against scrubs, others featured lucas hitting 9/10 threes. Allan anderson shooting lights out those games. All inds or variables invloved. The fact that Lucas is part of some of best lineups is a red flag in its own right.

I am fine with playing Rudy at PF when other team goes small. But, when we play with Rudy at PF we get dominated inside by other teams. I believe Casey even had Amir and rudy frontcourt vs Marc Gasol and Zbo.

I think it is getting out of control. Rudy presents big match up problems at SF, where is a top-4-7 player at position. This is where he should play imo.

Dude, you made an assertion (incorrect too) based on the SAME SMALL SAMPLE. The difference is you just spun a narrative out of your ass rather than basing it on any facts/analysis. Also, any analysis from the Rudy Gay era is going to be based on a small sample. Should we just not even bother?

Even if the Raps have been "dominated inside by other teams" the impact on the scoreboard has still been a positive for them. And that is really all that matters.

[Rapcity_11]

Unfortunately our wings aren't good 3 point shooters. I figure we should have one of Anderson, Ross, Bargnani parked in corner on offense. I prefer when there are shooters in both corners really. We need spacing. Having bargnani parked at top of key is useless.

You point out how terrible Gay at the 4 is and come back with a post like this?

Do you not see the contradiction?

Unreal.

[vini_vidi_vici]

I dont know, the more time goes on here I really hate what this place has dissolved to. These volume posters, parroting the same bull and its over and over again, thread after thread that it becomes fact, and the rest of the heard follow suit. Follow me... meet Dwa(y)ne Casey.

Page 1.
This is started by a Mod, heres the narrative, Casey sucks lets try to have fun.
Biggest disappointment? Dwayne Casey
Im not reading all that, but im certain in that novel theres alot of Casey involvement.
Clean house and fire Casey.
This isnt even a thread, its a question I guess. Why isnt Val playing enough for my liking, Caseyyyyyyyyyyy..
Were a losing team, let me espouse more opinions of the above threads. Guess what Casey should be fired.
Heres another question, what does Bargs look like in practice? Interesting, okay this one isnt Caseycentric, just vapid.

Page 2.
This Thread.
Fire Casey thread.
Heres a question that he answered himself, blame Casey for TRoss not playing.
Someone bumping a Casey option picked up thread, guess what wisdom was bestowed?
Hire who for next coach? Were now past Casey.
This guy literally hopes BC/Casey reads this, and plays the rookies, in an elegant one paragraph. Not really negative, just more redundency.

I think im done. You say well what does this have to do with these "high volume chuckers", the opening posts are sad and redundant like our roster, but its the same people saying the same things. We get it, you feel compelled to say Casey sucks in the most threads on RGM like its OCD.

So here we have a thread where were discussing the roster/coaching philosophies/set plays/stats/etc.., supported by graphs, links, pictures, youtubes, etc.. real interesting and open dialogue, well except the ones that do come in with absurb narratives. MikeM, Science, Undefeated, RapCity, theres more but im tired forgive me. Do you see any of these high volume posters here? Ofcourse not, they are too busy not talking about the whys, just the narrative they want to perpetuate. So whats gonna change with all this information gathered here? Nothing.

The heard have moved from top 10 offensive PG, to the next one. The narrative that we had a ball pounder because he ran set plays, has now become we have a coach who cant run set plays. I mean hes putting up even better numbers in DET, without Drummond, man is shocking me.

Anyways, I think ill probably refrain from doing stuff like this again, like the daily papers I get my OCD fix by contributing in some sort of way. For all those that provided interesting insight, and even those who came in with absurd narratives, I really enjoyed this type of stuff. I just hate wading through garbage everyday. This one sucked initially until it was hijacked in a different direction. Ive wrote moderators, ive said it in threads, I tried to turn a negative thread into something positive and figure ways to change the board, it got locked. Im saying it here. I havent even touched on the need for an OT thread, or just moving them to a forum aptly named OT Canada. A guy like Rated actually contributes something for just the board not some blog, 11 ppl post.

I dont know, I come home from work, and its like a wave of the same stuff everyday, its not fun or interesting wading through 2-3 pages of a thread to find out, nothing relevant was said, and theres like 10-15 threads like this a day. I stopped posting the dailies and im going to stop contributing here, ill post occasionally, but nothing like all the graphs, etc.. People are entitled to opinions, but this place is worse than Dwayne, whoever he is. Thanks, take care guys.

[dballislife]

i know it really sucks to keep changing coaches and hearing different voices, but its too clear that casey doesnt have what it takes...after a performance like this year, casey should just help everyone out and just resign as head coach...im down for bringing him back for a lesser role cus he seems like a great man

[Truthrising]

i know it really sucks to keep changing coaches and hearing different voices, but its too clear that casey doesnt have what it takes...after a performance like this year, casey should just help everyone out and just resign as head coach...im down for bringing him back for a lesser role cus he seems like a great man

I'm thinking it might be too hard for BC to fire Casey because he seems like a nice guy that you can't just fire. I agree that maybe Casey should just resign but I don't even think that's gonna happen. As long as BC's here, i'm pretty sure Casey will be here as well

[Jtoneller1]

Is it just me, or does Casey really only run two plays on offense? I'm getting sick of the base-line pin-down, wing-man curl and the wing post -up (for either DeMar or Rudy on the right block). Is this sort of simplicity normal at this level? I only watch Raptors games, so I don't have a great knowledge of other teams offensive schemes.