OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread

thruthefire · Post #961 » by **thruthefire** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 12:19 am

MKG's PER by month:

November -- 17.52 (15 games)
December -- 17.39 (15 games)
January -- 10.15 (14 games)
February -- 9.33 (10 games)

I don't think I've ever seen this before. A rookie who looks well on his way to being a star just absolutely plummeting. If MKG can play like that over the first 30 games of his NBA career, he can do it again. But I'll proceed with caution from here on out.

jman2585 · Post #962 » by **jman2585** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 12:51 am

MKG has looked very similar to Barnes in terms of impact this year, with the difference that Barnes is a contributor for a playoff team who has to earn his minutes, while MKG is gifted them (and still losing them to scrubs). The Pippen and Payton comparisons are silly, raw stats don't reflect the skill set of those players (or the limited role they had on good teams). Kawhi has shown more than MKG at this point, for one thing he can shoot. He's looked great for the Spurs. I asked in a thread recently to redo the 2011 Draft, and most had Kawhi in the top 5. I don't know how true that would be for MKG at the end of his rookie year. There's at least 3 guys who clearly look better, and another couple who are definitely playing at least as well.

thruthefire · Post #963 » by **thruthefire** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:02 am

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2013

It's amazing that Barnes is still getting hype after how disappointing he was at UNC.

jman2585 · Post #964 » by **jman2585** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:12 am

But Barnes is playing as a starter on a playoff team where he has a limited role and has to earn his minutes. He's still getting played despite his inexperience, because he helps their team win. Guys like Taylor and MKG are on a bad team who is playing them in spite of whether they help the team win, and is giving them minutes and a role they otherwise would not see on a playoff team. You can't compare the raw stats, and say "oh, Barnes isn't much better than Taylor" without that crucial context. Then you actually watch them, and it's very clear Barnes has probably played better than MKG this year.

Eoghan · Post #965 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:16 am

I wasn't aware that Barnes and Leonard suffered eye injuries and concussions this season.

advanced · Post #966 » by **advanced** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:18 am

Doesnt look much worse than mkg when you factor in hes on a great team as like the 5th option. Whereas mkg is also the 5th option...on the defending worst team in nba history and current worst team in the league by far

thruthefire · Post #967 » by **thruthefire** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:22 am

Barnes is competing with Jefferson, a fellow rookie in Green, and Jack for minutes. MKG competes with Gordon, Taylor and Sessions. What's the difference? Both came into situations where the starting small forward spot was available. Last night, with David Lee suspended and unable to play, was the perfect opportunity for Barnes to step up. Instead, he had three points on 1-for-4 shooting and two turnovers in 19 minutes.

advanced · Post #968 » by **advanced** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:28 am

By that logic every night would be a good night for mkg to step up because not only do we have no one nearly as good as lee, we also have nobody near as good as curry. And yet mkg put up 0pts and 2reb

thruthefire · Post #969 » by **thruthefire** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:33 am

"Nobody nearly as good as Lee or Curry"... which means more focus on MKG.

jman2585 · Post #970 » by **jman2585** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:33 am

Barnes is an inconsistent rookie, sure. But his overall play as a rookie is very, very encouraging for the Warriors. If he was playing like Taylor, he's be behind Jefferson in a playoff rotation, no questions. And he was the starter before B.Rush got hurt too. The Warriors also go small sometimes (with 6-3 6MOYT candidate Jack at point, 6-3 Curry at SG, and 6-7 Klay at SF), Barnes is competing with that line-up too, and if he wasn't good enough, he'd be losing minutes to it. Instead he looks a good contributor.

jman2585 · Post #971 » by **jman2585** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:36 am

thruthefire wrote:"Nobody nearly as good as Lee or Curry"... which means more focus on MKG.

Except MKG's problem is that he's not even seeing the floor alot of the game, because the coach (who has orders to play the young guys) would rather play scrubs over him, because he often hurts the team more than playing scrubs. That tells you something right there. If MKG wasn't the #2 pick on the Bobcats, and the coach wasn't being leaned on by management, he'd probably be playing even less.

thruthefire · Post #972 » by **thruthefire** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:37 am

jman2585 wrote:The Warriors also go small sometimes (with 6-3 6MOYT candidate Jack at point, 6-3 Curry at SG, and 6-7 Klay at SF), Barnes is competing with that line-up too, and if he wasn't good enough, he'd be losing minutes to it.

Well, yes, that's why I mentioned Jack. And Barnes IS losing minutes to that lineup. Hence why Jarrett Jack is playing so much. It's not different than our situation with Kemba, Hendo, Sessions, Gordon and Taylor.

jman2585 · Post #973 » by **jman2585** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:41 am

thruthefire wrote:
jman2585 wrote:The Warriors also go small sometimes (with 6-3 6MOYT candidate Jack at point, 6-3 Curry at SG, and 6-7 Klay at SF), Barnes is competing with that line-up too, and if he wasn't good enough, he'd be losing minutes to it.

Well, yes, that's why I mentioned Jack. And Barnes IS losing minutes to that lineup. Hence why Jarrett Jack is playing so much. It's not different than our situation with Kemba, Hendo, Sessions, Gordon and Taylor.

No different, except Jack, Curry and Klay are all good players, while the guys you named are mostly scrubs or mediocre players, much worse than the guys Barnes is competing for minutes with.

advanced · Post #974 » by **advanced** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:45 am

thruthefire wrote:"Nobody nearly as good as Lee or Curry"... which means more focus on MKG.

No it doesnt...hes left wide open every play in the half ccourt against set defenses, his man is the first to come over and help on any drive. The only focus the defense has on mkg is focusing as hard as possible on making us pass to him in the half court. He knows that and thats why its hot potato every time he touches the rock Thats our 2nd overall pick.

Elden Payton · Post #975 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 2:09 am

advanced wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Yeah for sure but what are MKG's per 36 stats?

MJ had nothing to do with the bulls 50 wins? It was Scottie?

12.6/7.9/2 1 stl 1.5 block

hardly "far superior" to Payton or Pippen as rooks per your claim

Payton was 3 years older and Pippen was 4 years older...as rookies.

MKG is having far superior rookie season than both of them.

thruthefire · Post #976 » by **thruthefire** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 2:18 am

Bottomline is that Barnes' performance is comparable to Taylor's and not on par with MKG's.

End of discussion.

Bassman · Post #977 » by **Bassman** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 2:20 am

advanced wrote:
thruthefire wrote:"Nobody nearly as good as Lee or Curry"... which means more focus on MKG.

No it doesnt...hes left wide open every play in the half ccourt against set defenses, his man is the first to come over and help on any drive. The only focus the defense has on mkg is focusing as hard as possible on making us pass to him in the half court. He knows that and thats why its hot potato every time he touches the rock Thats our 2nd overall pick.

This....this is a major problem. You'd better be man enough to take charge if your gonna be an NBA player. I don't give a crap that he's 19, or the youngest whomever. Any number of youngsters have asserted themselves into the game, seeking to establish themselves...even if their game is immature. Anybody who is running away from taking initiative on the court is a major red flag to me. Remember the report early in his NBA exposure that Hyphen was questioning his readiness to play in this league with Caliperi? That was a warning flag. After he got hurt, he came back timid and scared. So it's not just his shot that is broken.

jman2585 · Post #978 » by **jman2585** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 2:28 am

I already explained how Barnes season looks better than MKG's (and much better than Taylor's), because context counts too, not just raw stats (or else people would look at Ricky Davis at say "gee, what a good player to have"). Just ignoring it does not make it go away.

advanced · Post #979 » by **advanced** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 2:28 am

Sik Infant wrote:
advanced wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Yeah for sure but what are MKG's per 36 stats?

MJ had nothing to do with the bulls 50 wins? It was Scottie?

12.6/7.9/2 1 stl 1.5 block

hardly "far superior" to Payton or Pippen as rooks per your claim

Payton was 3 years older and Pippen was 4 years older...as rookies.

MKG is having far superior rookie season than both of them.

Your 2nd line is still blatantly wrong.

The first line was the obvious fallback argument you were going to make once you realized you said something dumb. And its a bad one. Different eras. Brad Beal and Andre Drummond are 19 too, does that mean they're on a fast track to passing up Scottie Pippen and Gary Payon as well? Lol

debo23 · Post #980 » by **debo23** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 2:32 am

Sik Infant wrote:
advanced wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Yeah for sure but what are MKG's per 36 stats?

MJ had nothing to do with the bulls 50 wins? It was Scottie?

12.6/7.9/2 1 stl 1.5 block

hardly "far superior" to Payton or Pippen as rooks per your claim

Payton was 3 years older and Pippen was 4 years older...as rookies.

MKG is having far superior rookie season than both of them.

More like MKG was having a decent rookie season.. there is still plenty of basketball to play and he's on the decline...

Dunlap needs to tell him he needs to have a minimum of 10 attempts a game, when he does, he gets much more involved on both ends.. otherwise, he's going to fade away down the the bench ammo style