Second best team in the East?

[Triple M]

What? is every team a title contender now? ORLANDO CLEVELAND l o l jesus if those teams are title contenders then the pacers certainly are. You are actually arguing that garbage teams surrounding 1 great player would have a chance right now , the bulls have hardly a fringe chance when healthy and they have a great player in rose with 2 other all stars in deng and noah.

Jesus as with the other guy i don't see how overall depth of the conference does not lead to a better conference then the number of title contenders. By this logic with Miami Boston and Chicago in the east the west and east have been even for multiple years.

Orlando and Cleveland were 60 or high 50 win teams and actually were playoff proven teams that made the finals. The Pacers/Knicks have not been on that level. If we are comparing depth than I don't see how the current East is better. There are far more mediocre teams currently compared to elite teams of a few years ago.

[JSmooth93]

Melo has been garbage in the post-season since joining the Knicks, I don't know what you're talking about. He got shut down and humiliated by Lebron last season and he had one good game against the Celtics in 2011....and he still lost that game.

Melo hasn't been impressive in the post-season, which is why I lol when people say he is the best scorer. Sure, he has a lot of moves, too bad none of that ever comes handy since he still can't score when it matters the most.

If dropping 40+ on your squad counts as lebron shutting someone down... I hope that he shuts Melo down every single game this postseason.


Anyway, I propose a mass exodus of Knicks fans from this thread. It has devolved into exactly what I though it would.

"Knicks haven't won anything in 13 years" "STAT can't stay healthy" "Carmelo can't get out the first round"
It's pretty hard for GB to have good discussion, especially Heat fans when it comes to the Knicks, YEAH that was a direct shot at your fanbase.
We might as well just wait and see what happens.

[TheChosen618]

If dropping 40+ on your squad counts as lebron shutting someone down... I hope that he shuts Melo down every single game this postseason.

So because Melo played one good game against the Heat last season and a game where Shane Battier and Dwyane Wade guarded him primarily, that means he played well?

He overall played like garbage in that series. He shot 41.9% FG in that series and a 48.9% TS%, that's horribly inefficient. It is not like Melo can do anything else to help his team either, average to below average rebounder for his position, blackhole, not a good passer, etc.

Melo is undoubtedly the most overrated player among casual fans.

[HeatFanSince87]

Boston and Indy still the teams that give Miami the tougher match ups in the playoffs. It's not about the regular season.. It's about matchups and execution in the playoffs.

[dreamchaser]

Melo has been garbage in the post-season since joining the Knicks, I don't know what you're talking about. He got shut down and humiliated by Lebron last season and he had one good game against the Celtics in 2011....and he still lost that game.

Melo hasn't been impressive in the post-season, which is why I lol when people say he is the best scorer. Sure, he has a lot of moves, too bad none of that ever comes handy since he still can't score when it matters the most.

If dropping 40+ on your squad counts as lebron shutting someone down... I hope that he shuts Melo down every single game this postseason.


Anyway, I propose a mass exodus of Knicks fans from this thread. It has devolved into exactly what I though it would.

"Knicks haven't won anything in 13 years" "STAT can't stay healthy" "Carmelo can't get out the first round"
It's pretty hard for GB to have good discussion, especially Heat fans when it comes to the Knicks, YEAH that was a direct shot at your fanbase.
We might as well just wait and see what happens.

He only dropped 40+ in one game of that whole series

[HeatFanSince87]

Melo has been garbage in the post-season since joining the Knicks, I don't know what you're talking about. He got shut down and humiliated by Lebron last season and he had one good game against the Celtics in 2011....and he still lost that game.

Melo hasn't been impressive in the post-season, which is why I lol when people say he is the best scorer. Sure, he has a lot of moves, too bad none of that ever comes handy since he still can't score when it matters the most.

If dropping 40+ on your squad counts as lebron shutting someone down... I hope that he shuts Melo down every single game this postseason.

Anyway, I propose a mass exodus of Knicks fans from this thread. It has devolved into exactly what I though it would.

"Knicks haven't won anything in 13 years" "STAT can't stay healthy" "Carmelo can't get out the first round"
It's pretty hard for GB to have good discussion, especially Heat fans when it comes to the Knicks, YEAH that was a direct shot at your fanbase.
We might as well just wait and see what happens.

He only dropped 40+ in one game of that whole series

Bottom line is when Lebron guarded Melo, Melo didn't do much. This isn't to "hate".. It's factual.





Like I said... Same story when Lebron guarded Melo in second half today.

[dreamchaser]

He only dropped 40+ in one game of that whole series

Bottom line is why Lebron guarded Melo, Melo didn't do much. This isn't to "hate".. It's factual.

and remember Game 1 when Battier shut Melo down? He didn't really do anything at all in that series except for game 4...

[caliban]

[Spicy P]

You're right, the regular season has no bearing whatsoever on evaluation of a team's ability. Delete the thread.

In all seriousness though, what other team can slump hard like the Heat did early and the Knicks did in February and STILL be the top 2 teams in the conference. You would be silly to think that Carmelo Anthony can't take a postseason team with STAT playing regular minutes, Tyson Chandler DPOY, and finally a good healthy supporting cast past the likes of the Bulls, Pacers, Nets, and Hawks. I mean, one arm STAT and Melo single handedly beat the Heat in a PO game, now they have better help. Granted the Heat also added Allen.
I just think it's silly how the two teams haven't yet built an actual rivalry yet by the Heat fans comments you would think they've hated us since the 70's(not that the team existed).

The Knicks - until they can prove they can win a series - because it's been what like -8 years (IISC) since they've won a single series, let alone advanced very far.

It's actually been 13 years since they've won a playoff series. Another interesting thing is that they have a whopping 1 playoff win in the last 11 seasons. They haven't proven anything yet and they have pretty much the exact same team they had last year except added some washed-up injury-prone vets. I'd put Indiana and Chicago ahead of them because they actually have some playoff success

[bledredwine]

Celtics now = trash

yawn.

Here it every year and every year the Celtics are always one of the last teams standing.

Dude, you guys suck this year. You lost Ray, Rondo, and the only offensively reliable player is KG.
I went to the Bulls vs. Celtics game and we crushed you guys by 20 points. The Celtics just look really, really bad.

A Rose-less Bulls that has been missing key players and playing like poo lately has a better record than you guys, and I'll admit we don't have much of a chance. In ways, we suck too!
I'll admit offensively the Bulls suck balls this season. It's ok to admit that your team doesn't have much of a chance to win it all. The Celtics suck.

The End

A Novel by Jesus

[Luxury]

Wow wth, the OP forgot to put Miami Heat in the poll.

[TheToothFairy]

The Knicks are a 52-win team that hasn't won a playoff game in a decade. This year because nobody else in the East can play they are the #2 seed. But that doesn't make them better than what they are -- this year's Hawks. A #4 or #5 seed in a normal year.

What a stupid reply

New coach

New players

Same Haters

[PetroNet]

there is no second best team. there is the heat, then there is an enormous drop off, then you have a clusterfck of teams within like 2 games of eachother, all capable of getting to the ECF with the right matchup or seed(bulls, nets, pacers, knicks, boston). then you have teams who arent really going anywhere but could easily upset those teams i just mentioned(atlanta, milwaukee, boston).

im seriously would anyone be suprised if the celts beat the knicks in round 1? if milwaukee beat the nets in round 1? if the hawks beat the rose-less bulls in round 1?

[TheToothFairy]

You're right, the regular season has no bearing whatsoever on evaluation of a team's ability. Delete the thread.

In all seriousness though, what other team can slump hard like the Heat did early and the Knicks did in February and STILL be the top 2 teams in the conference. You would be silly to think that Carmelo Anthony can't take a postseason team with STAT playing regular minutes, Tyson Chandler DPOY, and finally a good healthy supporting cast past the likes of the Bulls, Pacers, Nets, and Hawks. I mean, one arm STAT and Melo single handedly beat the Heat in a PO game, now they have better help. Granted the Heat also added Allen.
I just think it's silly how the two teams haven't yet built an actual rivalry yet by the Heat fans comments you would think they've hated us since the 70's(not that the team existed).

The Knicks - until they can prove they can win a series - because it's been what like -8 years (IISC) since they've won a single series, let alone advanced very far.

It's actually been 13 years since they've won a playoff series. Another interesting thing is that they have a whopping 1 playoff win in the last 11 seasons. They haven't proven anything yet and they have pretty much the exact same team they had last year except added some washed-up injury-prone vets. I'd put Indiana and Chicago ahead of them because they actually have some playoff success

Huh? How Ignorant are people?

Kidd- Didn't play last yr
Felton- didn't play last yr
Camby- didn't play last yr
Kmart- didnt play last year
Thomas-didn't play last yr
Copeland-didn't play last year
Prigioni-didnt play last yr
White-didn't play last yr
Sheed-didn't play last yr


So NINE new players is pretty much the same team as last year? GTFOH

[JSmooth93]

Those stats are so vague.
What about the amount of three pointers taken when lebron was guarding him? How many of those stats are when lebron was initially guarding him but then Melo took a shot and missed off of a switch. How many possessions were from that first game where the refereeing was terrible AND Melo had one of his worst playoff games ever.
From watching the series, I remember Lebron not doing much to stop Melo, Melo didn't have anyone to create for him and had to iso most possessions, there's a reason Spo put your teams ACTUAL best defender on Melo.
If Lebron really did as great of a job as these stats say, why didn't he guard Melo when Melo went off for 40+?

But whatever, see you guys Sunday. But I guarantee win and you'll say, reg season isn't important. Lose and you guys ill say "Hah we told you your team sucks trolololol".

[PetroNet]

saying your team(whomever that team might be) is good because you might win 50 games and get the second seed is meaningless. the east is THAT BAD.

hell look at the nets. we are like 20-3 vs. teams with a losing record and 14-21 vs. winning teams. on pace for like 46 or 47 wins and a shot at a top 3 seed. we have played like trash all year! we dont beat anyone good except the other fugazy teams like the pacers, celtics, and knicks. in the west we probably wouldnt even have a winning record!

[dreamchaser]

Those stats are so vague.
What about the amount of three pointers taken when lebron was guarding him? How many of those stats are when lebron was initially guarding him but then Melo took a shot and missed off of a switch. How many possessions were from that first game where the refereeing was terrible AND Melo had one of his worst playoff games ever.
From watching the series, I remember Lebron not doing much to stop Melo, Melo didn't have anyone to create for him and had to iso most possessions, there's a reason Spo put your teams ACTUAL best defender on Melo.
If Lebron really did as great of a job as these stats say, why didn't he guard Melo when Melo went off for 40+?

But whatever, see you guys Sunday. But I guarantee win and you'll say, reg season isn't important. Lose and you guys ill say "Hah we told you your team sucks trolololol".

how are those stats vague? This is why us Heat fans can't have a debate with you Knicks fans. If y'all win Sunday we're going to see your fan base spamming the GB talking about how y'all are going to win a championship, etc....All we are doing is just stating facts and sorry to inform you but a team that hasn't got out of the first round in a decade just can't be a serious threat, especially if they were to play the Celtics (A proven team in the playoffs) or the Bulls...

[GoodSir]

Those stats are so vague.
What about the amount of three pointers taken when lebron was guarding him? How many of those stats are when lebron was initially guarding him but then Melo took a shot and missed off of a switch. How many possessions were from that first game where the refereeing was terrible AND Melo had one of his worst playoff games ever.
From watching the series, I remember Lebron not doing much to stop Melo, Melo didn't have anyone to create for him and had to iso most possessions, there's a reason Spo put your teams ACTUAL best defender on Melo.
If Lebron really did as great of a job as these stats say, why didn't he guard Melo when Melo went off for 40+?

But whatever, see you guys Sunday. But I guarantee win and you'll say, reg season isn't important. Lose and you guys ill say "Hah we told you your team sucks trolololol".

What I've learned from your post:

Lebron had NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on Melo's bad shooting when guarded by him.

Shane Battier is a better defender than Lebron

Melo shot better on the better defender and worse on the worse defender.

[Spicy P]

Huh? How Ignorant are people?

Kidd- Didn't play last yr
Felton- didn't play last yr
Camby- didn't play last yr
Kmart- didnt play last year
Thomas-didn't play last yr
Copeland-didn't play last year
Prigioni-didnt play last yr
White-didn't play last yr
Sheed-didn't play last yr


So NINE new players is pretty much the same team as last year? GTFOH

You can add as many scrubs as you want to the team. It's the same core of Melo, Amare, Tyson, JR. Not sure why naming off guys like Martin, Camby, Thomas, Copeland, White, Wallace is relevant. Those guys haven't done **** this season. So in the end, the Knicks basically replaced Lin with Felton and the rest of their team with a bunch of washed-up players like I said. Not much of an improvement if any

[JSmooth93]

What I've learned from your post:

Lebron had NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on Melo's bad shooting when guarded by him.

Shane Battier is a better defender than Lebron

Melo shot better on the better defender and worse on the worse defender.

Since when did Lebron become a better defender than Battier, more athletic defender maybe.
And yes that is what I'm saying. Also, these stats seem to count fouled attempts among the fga's which also skews the data a bit.

But yeah this argument is pointless, let you guys tell it and Melo is overrated by the "casual" fan and nowhere near even top 10 in the league.