Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[Marvin Martian]

What about a trade with Utah.



To Utah:
Bargnani
Derozan
2nd

To Toronto:
M.Williams
Hayward

Seems fair too me. Bargnani if he regains form is better then Williams. Derozan is probably better than Hayward but it gives us a shooter.
Then sign Aaron Brooks/Samuel Dalembert.
Amnesty Klieza.

Lowry/Brooks
Hayward/Ross
Gay/Fields
Johnson/Williams
Valaciunas/Dalembert

Hayward > Derozan

no contest

[SDM]

I'd take that deal and run, but Utah would not touch it. Hayward is the ideal 2 for this team.

[Bowser61]

I think so too, he would fit into this team perfectly. BC needs to so everything possible to flip Derozan + for him.

Derozan/Ross for Hayward/Burks lol?

[chriso1290]

Andrea Bargnani for Tobias Harris and the magic 1st round pick. We give them a proven veteran scorer and they give us an unproven big man.

[chanchan85]

First thing I just want to mention is that amnestying Bargnani does accomplish something, it allows us to use the full 150% salary match option in any trade we make, without amnestying Bargnani we would need to include him in any trade that we do and that will just decrease the value of the return.
Of course if you can get an expiring for Bargnani straight up then you don't need to amnesty him but I highly doubt that will be possible with the way he is playing.

Once you figure out the Bargnani situation (amnesty or trade for an expiring).

You call Minnesota about Love, you call Portland about Aldridge and Atlanta about Horford and you offer Ross + 1st + expiring contracts. Listen to counters and as long as they don't include Val you make the trade.

If that doesn't work then you go for plan B: Millsap, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith
You start the offer 1st + expiring or Ross + expiring and see what they counter with, I would think Ross + expiring should be enough but add incentive as necessary.

If Plan A and B don't go your way (i would think Plan B will end up happening but just in case) then you look at Bargnani + Kleiza for Gasol or Bargnani for Nene.

Other then that I don't think the Raptors need any other trades as they can pickup a real backup PG, 3pt specialist and vet backup big off of the FA's, my personal favourites would be:
PG: Shaun Livingston
3pt: Redick (if he gets more than MLE then: Korver or Dunleavy)
Vet Big: JO

[Marvin Martian]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dxk4und

We get of Derozan and Ross and bring in a better prospect in Shumpert while bringing and defensive minded big man for size. We could also just ask for Afflalo for Derozan straight up but I don't think ORl does it

[Snakeyes]

Trade everyone except Jonas for picks and rev up the M1 Wiggins .

[Rapsobsessed7]

First thing I just want to mention is that amnestying Bargnani does accomplish something, it allows us to use the full 150% salary match option in any trade we make, without amnestying Bargnani we would need to include him in any trade that we do and that will just decrease the value of the return.
Of course if you can get an expiring for Bargnani straight up then you don't need to amnesty him but I highly doubt that will be possible with the way he is playing.

Once you figure out the Bargnani situation (amnesty or trade for an expiring).

You call Minnesota about Love, you call Portland about Aldridge and Atlanta about Horford and you offer Ross + 1st + expiring contracts. Listen to counters and as long as they don't include Val you make the trade.

If that doesn't work then you go for plan B: Millsap, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith
You start the offer 1st + expiring or Ross + expiring and see what they counter with, I would think Ross + expiring should be enough but add incentive as necessary.

If Plan A and B don't go your way (i would think Plan B will end up happening but just in case) then you look at Bargnani + Kleiza for Gasol or Bargnani for Nene.

Other then that I don't think the Raptors need any other trades as they can pickup a real backup PG, 3pt specialist and vet backup big off of the FA's, my personal favourites would be:
PG: Shaun Livingston
3pt: Redick (if he gets more than MLE then: Korver or Dunleavy)
Vet Big: JO

Sorry, what? What are you talking about with this 150% rule needing to include Bargnani

[witnessraps]

team is a mess...not sure if I've ever felt as hopeless about the organization as I do now. This team needs to get it's s*it together this summer.

[chanchan85]

First thing I just want to mention is that amnestying Bargnani does accomplish something, it allows us to use the full 150% salary match option in any trade we make, without amnestying Bargnani we would need to include him in any trade that we do and that will just decrease the value of the return.
Of course if you can get an expiring for Bargnani straight up then you don't need to amnesty him but I highly doubt that will be possible with the way he is playing.

Once you figure out the Bargnani situation (amnesty or trade for an expiring).

You call Minnesota about Love, you call Portland about Aldridge and Atlanta about Horford and you offer Ross + 1st + expiring contracts. Listen to counters and as long as they don't include Val you make the trade.

If that doesn't work then you go for plan B: Millsap, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith
You start the offer 1st + expiring or Ross + expiring and see what they counter with, I would think Ross + expiring should be enough but add incentive as necessary.

If Plan A and B don't go your way (i would think Plan B will end up happening but just in case) then you look at Bargnani + Kleiza for Gasol or Bargnani for Nene.

Other then that I don't think the Raptors need any other trades as they can pickup a real backup PG, 3pt specialist and vet backup big off of the FA's, my personal favourites would be:
PG: Shaun Livingston
3pt: Redick (if he gets more than MLE then: Korver or Dunleavy)
Vet Big: JO

Sorry, what? What are you talking about with this 150% rule needing to include Bargnani

Old CBA: traded salaries had to be within 125% + 100K

New CBA: traded salaries have to match by the lesser of 150% + 100K or $5 MIL as long as the team is under the tax after the trade.

So if you amnesty Bargnani you put yourself far enough below the tax that you can trade Ross+Kleiza for $11M in contracts which should be more than enough to get either Al Jefferson or Paul Millsap. To get any of of the rest(Smith,Love,Aldridge,Horford) you can just add Lucas and $1.5M in cash to cover his salary.

[Crazy-Canuck]

DD or Bargs for a perimeter player that can shoot, the type of player Ross should be, but isnt yet.

[Rapsobsessed7]

First thing I just want to mention is that amnestying Bargnani does accomplish something, it allows us to use the full 150% salary match option in any trade we make, without amnestying Bargnani we would need to include him in any trade that we do and that will just decrease the value of the return.
Of course if you can get an expiring for Bargnani straight up then you don't need to amnesty him but I highly doubt that will be possible with the way he is playing.

Once you figure out the Bargnani situation (amnesty or trade for an expiring).

You call Minnesota about Love, you call Portland about Aldridge and Atlanta about Horford and you offer Ross + 1st + expiring contracts. Listen to counters and as long as they don't include Val you make the trade.

If that doesn't work then you go for plan B: Millsap, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith
You start the offer 1st + expiring or Ross + expiring and see what they counter with, I would think Ross + expiring should be enough but add incentive as necessary.

If Plan A and B don't go your way (i would think Plan B will end up happening but just in case) then you look at Bargnani + Kleiza for Gasol or Bargnani for Nene.

Other then that I don't think the Raptors need any other trades as they can pickup a real backup PG, 3pt specialist and vet backup big off of the FA's, my personal favourites would be:
PG: Shaun Livingston
3pt: Redick (if he gets more than MLE then: Korver or Dunleavy)
Vet Big: JO

Sorry, what? What are you talking about with this 150% rule needing to include Bargnani

Old CBA: traded salaries had to be within 125% + 100K

New CBA: traded salaries have to match by the lesser of 150% + 100K or $5 MIL as long as the team is under the tax after the trade.

So if you amnesty Bargnani you put yourself far enough below the tax that you can trade Ross+Kleiza for $11M in contracts which should be more than enough to get either Al Jefferson or Paul Millsap. To get any of of the rest(Smith,Love,Aldridge,Horford) you can just add Lucas and $1.5M in cash to cover his salary.

Yes I know the rules. Toronto next season after amnestying Kleiza, declining Lucas TO is at 66 million. Tax is supposed to increase based on increased revenue this year. Lets say 73/74 million so were still far below tax.

My problem with your post was you said we basically have to amnesty Bargnani in order to complete a trade under the 150% rule. That's not true. You also have to realize it won't happen because MLSE is not going to pay Bargnani to sit at home. Kleiza will be the one amnestied, MLSE dips below tax under this scenario and only pays a sum of 4.6 million for 1 year to avoid the tax.

[Marvin Martian]

I would love to see a trade for Evan turner. Turner has all of the skills Derozan has + a 3 ball, passing, rebounding and above average defense. He may not be a number 1 option superstar but he can be a much better second fiddle to Gay.

[T-D0G]

I would love to see a trade for Evan turner. Turner has all of the skills Derozan has + a 3 ball, passing, rebounding and above average defense. He may not be a number 1 option superstar but he can be a much better second fiddle to Gay.

Turner is not a good 3 point shooter. We need a legit 3 point threat to pair with Rudy.

[T-D0G]

Amnesty Bargs

Trade Demar for Milsap in a S&T

Sign Kyle Korver

Val
Milsap
Gay
Korver
Lowry

[OAKLEY_2]

Kleiza will be the one amnestied, MLSE dips below tax under this scenario and only pays a sum of 4.6 million for 1 year to avoid the tax.

Right now even in a suit with mystery status Kleiza is a better player than Bargnani. Kleiza is an expiring next year meaning his salary can be dealt for some nominal value. Bargs traded would likely give us something that is barter by default rather than by design. So yeah paying an amnesty makes sense in terms of paying the smaller amount but it doesn't make sense in terms of making this team any better. If Kleiza was to return to health and play like he did for Lithuania we have a semi useful player and trade chip. Right now we categorically know we have neither in Bargnani.

[jtrinaldi]

Ok, Bucks fan here. Who on your roster is preventing you from tanking next year to be in the Wiggins lottery?

[chanchan85]

Yes I know the rules. Toronto next season after amnestying Kleiza, declining Lucas TO is at 66 million. Tax is supposed to increase based on increased revenue this year. Lets say 73/74 million so were still far below tax.

My problem with your post was you said we basically have to amnesty Bargnani in order to complete a trade under the 150% rule. That's not true. You also have to realize it won't happen because MLSE is not going to pay Bargnani to sit at home. Kleiza will be the one amnestied, MLSE dips below tax under this scenario and only pays a sum of 4.6 million for 1 year to avoid the tax.

Except if you amnesty Kleiza and decline Lucas you have no expirings to deal aside from Gray(assuming Lowry isn't dealt) so that forces you to either include Fields or Bargnani in any trade which lowers the return and that is why I say that you need to amnesty Bargnani. I do mention that if you can deal him for an expiring contract then that would be ideal but I just don't see that happening.

I also would not outright say amnestying Bargnani won't be approved by MLSE, BC will have to sell it for sure but that's the one thing BC really excels at.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I'd rather amnesty Bargnani, and get him and his contract off of our cap. Yes, I know MLSE will save nothing by doing this, but at least we don't have to worry about his contract holding down our cap. Even if you trade Andrea Bargnani, I'm pretty certain that we're going to have to take back an equally bad contract, whether it be Carlos Boozer, or Tyrus Thomas.

So, amnesty Andrea, trade DeMar to a team with cap space who can absorb him for draft pick(s), that gives us some semblance of cap flexibility in the present and moving forward, and make cost efficient moves to fill out the roster (i.e. draft high-end talent to the core of Gay & Valanciunas). This way, MLSE only pays a little more than they are right now. It's a win-win in my book. BUT....I don't see BC doing this unfortunately lol.

But, that's what I would do.

[raps101]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ax8995u

just playing around the trade machine, and a trade for greg monroe maybe?

Highly doubt detroit does this trade unless we fatten it up with picks and cash considerations, but monroe is a definetley a huge upgrade over bargs going forward

And maybe they might consider it if they want drummond to be their go to big man moving forward