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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edit 

Post#341 » by OrlandO » Sun Mar 3, 2013 4:01 am

update on glen davis:
"They're looking for me to come back better — you know, a better player," he said Saturday in his first interview since he fractured the fifth metatarsal in his left foot on Jan. 30.

"So I just try to look at that stuff and just build on that. How can I get there? I have people believing in me. I've just got to get the work done. It was a really unlucky year this year as far as just injuries. I've got to concentrate on getting my body right."

Davis, who has been doing a lot of swimming lately, emerged from the Magic's Amway Center practice facility Saturday with his surgically repaired foot in a walking boot. That boot is expected to come off in about two weeks, and he can start ramping up his rehabilitation program then.

It seems unlikely that Davis will play again this season, although team officials haven't ruled it out.

In the meantime, Davis hopes some good will come from the team's on-court recent struggles.

"When I look at the game, I want to see bumps and bruises," he said.

"I want to see guys who are going through the grit of the NBA and are understanding what it takes to win, and that's what these guys are doing now. This time right here for them is unbelievable because next year you can't sit here and tell me with the way we worked and the way we played, we won't be a better team because of these guys and their approach."

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Post#342 » by rcklsscognition » Sun Mar 3, 2013 4:06 am

He needs to chill with the rising out of the ashes theory until 2014-2015.
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Post#343 » by blue and white » Sun Mar 3, 2013 4:10 am

rcklsscognition wrote:We have to address PG in the next two years, so if we don't go with Smart, what options are on the table for us?

kasey hill? or since hennigan is so good at finding young talent rotting on benches I.E. vuc and harris maybe we can just trade for a pg
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Post#344 » by gp123 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 4:25 am

There's always doran lamb...
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edit 

Post#345 » by Def Swami » Sun Mar 3, 2013 4:25 am

rcklsscognition wrote:We have to address PG in the next two years, so if we don't go with Smart, what options are on the table for us?

Acquire another 1st rounder and draft Trey Burke or CJ McCollum (2013), draft Arron Harrison (2014), sign Eric Bledsoe (2014), or keep Jameer.
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Post#346 » by Tayswagzzz » Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:31 am

I love Jameer. I would love for him to be our starting PG and help lead us to a championship. I just don't think he can given his track record with injuries...I think he'd be a great back-up PG playing less minutes, just to stay healthy. He'd also be a great mentor. Anyone know who Hennigan is high on right now in the draft?
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Post#347 » by Viper1500 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:45 am

RickB-Orlando wrote:
Viper1500 wrote:Exactly, Oladipo will on no chance go outside the top 8

So we draft CJ McCollum to be our sg.. or overpay Evan Turner/Redick in free agency?

I don't understand why this forum has so many people wanting to get rid of a SG who many teams out there would LOVE to have. I'll admit he's lacked on his defensive approach this season, but so has the entire team. The guy is a hard worker, who according to the Sentinel spends more time in the gym than any other player on our team, he's the perfect guy for our younger players to be around and influenced by.

Watching him play lately, he seems to have a nasty habit of trying to do too much. Also, it could just be me, but he seems to be turning the ball over a LOT lately. Maybe the pressure of repeated losses is growing on him, but he just hasn't looked good the past few weeks.

The impression I get is he wants to be the number one option, but he really isn't suited to be number one. The bad thing is, he doesn't let that stop him from trying again, and again, and again.

I 100% agree with you, but who else can be trusted with the ball when there is no Jameer out there? Moore, Nicholson and even Harris are all high TO prone, so Afflalo is forced into the situation whether it be willing or not. I hold confidence that this will change once a legitimate "go-to player" joins this team.
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Post#348 » by fendilim » Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:00 am

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RickB-Orlando wrote:
Viper1500 wrote:Exactly, Oladipo will on no chance go outside the top 8

So we draft CJ McCollum to be our sg.. or overpay Evan Turner/Redick in free agency?

I don't understand why this forum has so many people wanting to get rid of a SG who many teams out there would LOVE to have. I'll admit he's lacked on his defensive approach this season, but so has the entire team. The guy is a hard worker, who according to the Sentinel spends more time in the gym than any other player on our team, he's the perfect guy for our younger players to be around and influenced by.

Watching him play lately, he seems to have a nasty habit of trying to do too much. Also, it could just be me, but he seems to be turning the ball over a LOT lately. Maybe the pressure of repeated losses is growing on him, but he just hasn't looked good the past few weeks.

The impression I get is he wants to be the number one option, but he really isn't suited to be number one. The bad thing is, he doesn't let that stop him from trying again, and again, and again.

I 100% agree with you, but who else can be trusted with the ball when there is no Jameer out there? Moore, Nicholson and even Harris are all high TO prone, so Afflalo is forced into the situation whether it be willing or not. I hold confidence that this will change once a legitimate "go-to player" joins this team.
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Post#349 » by Neon1 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 1:38 pm

Viper1500 wrote:I 100% agree with you, but who else can be trusted with the ball when there is no Jameer out there? Moore, Nicholson and even Harris are all high TO prone, so Afflalo is forced into the situation whether it be willing or not. I hold confidence that this will change once a legitimate "go-to player" joins this team.


None of those guys are really high turnover rate guys. Not even Afflalo. It just that AA chooses the absolute WORST possible times imaginable to start being an ass with the ball.
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Post#350 » by Def Swami » Sun Mar 3, 2013 4:03 pm

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Post#351 » by Def Swami » Sun Mar 3, 2013 4:09 pm

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Post#352 » by Viper1500 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:37 pm

Neon1 wrote:
Viper1500 wrote:I 100% agree with you, but who else can be trusted with the ball when there is no Jameer out there? Moore, Nicholson and even Harris are all high TO prone, so Afflalo is forced into the situation whether it be willing or not. I hold confidence that this will change once a legitimate "go-to player" joins this team.


None of those guys are really high turnover rate guys. Not even Afflalo. It just that AA chooses the absolute WORST possible times imaginable to start being an ass with the ball.

They would be if given the ball late in game. Can't remember if it was the Houston game, but Tobias has 2 horrid passes which resulted in turnovers late in the game. Nicholson on the other hand seems to be called for a travel when he tries to do too much.
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Post#353 » by Neon1 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:47 pm

Viper1500 wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
Viper1500 wrote:I 100% agree with you, but who else can be trusted with the ball when there is no Jameer out there? Moore, Nicholson and even Harris are all high TO prone, so Afflalo is forced into the situation whether it be willing or not. I hold confidence that this will change once a legitimate "go-to player" joins this team.


None of those guys are really high turnover rate guys. Not even Afflalo. It just that AA chooses the absolute WORST possible times imaginable to start being an ass with the ball.

They would be if given the ball late in game. Can't remember if it was the Houston game, but Tobias has 2 horrid passes which resulted in turnovers late in the game. Nicholson on the other hand seems to be called for a travel when he tries to do too much.


If Harris did that it would have had to be in the SAC game since that is the only game he has had more then 1 turnover in (2 in the SAC game). We still we cant just say or assume they would turn the ball over late games since we have yet to see Nicholson and/or Harris in that type of late game situation. Afflalo we have seen over and over and over.
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Post#354 » by SEBAS-07 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:51 pm

Before the #Magic traded JJ Redick, they tracked how many season ticket accounts they could potentially lose with JJ. #SSAC13

I remember having discussions with people about Orlando`s new financial mindset. Every move is going to be financially analyzed.
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Post#355 » by InFlames » Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:23 pm

SEBAS-07 wrote:Before the #Magic traded JJ Redick, they tracked how many season ticket accounts they could potentially lose with JJ. #SSAC13

I remember having discussions with people about Orlando`s new financial mindset. Every move is going to be financially analyzed.


They used new analytics to do it, only other team to do this is Phx. Of course every move is going to be financially analyzed.
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Post#356 » by woosah » Sun Mar 3, 2013 7:18 pm

Neon1 wrote:If Harris did that it would have had to be in the SAC game since that is the only game he has had more then 1 turnover in (2 in the SAC game). We still we cant just say or assume they would turn the ball over late games since we have yet to see Nicholson and/or Harris in that type of late game situation. Afflalo we have seen over and over and over.


I don't think we will see it either, as that seems to be by design to me. JV seems to want it in AA hands, and even said something in the post game a few games ago about drawing up stuff for Moore off the ball when he was in with AA because i complained (called it stupid) in the game thread.

I agree with Viper though, that i think he will change roles when necessary next year. It fits with all that you've heard about him, but if he is not on board he will be traded. This FO has shown they are going to have guys that want to be here and if he shows me-first attitude they will make a move. This is why i am not worried about AA, and i will support whatever direction they go.
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Post#357 » by OrlandoMagician » Sun Mar 3, 2013 7:51 pm

Anyone think we could interest Houston in this deal for BBD next season:

BBD to Hou
Fran Garcia (expiring) + Houston 2014 1st rounder to Orl

The money works.

Why for Houston? Adding an experienced, useful-for-contending piece in Davis. I personally think he could be great on that roster with good passing guards like Lin and Harden. Sets great screens, plays solid defense etc. After trading for Thomas Robinson they lack experience at the PF position. However, they'll likely try and sign Josh Smith as a FA, if they're unsuccessful though...

Why for Orl? Tanking move, and asset accumulation in a 1st rounder. It won't be an early 1st, given Houston's likely improvement next season, but 2014 is looking a deep talented draft.

Would Houston give up a 2014 1st for BBD though? What use is a young guy in 2014 to a team that's trying to contend?

EDIT: I get the feeling people are going to laugh me off for suggesting BBD is worth a 2014 1st rounder, but I think value is relative. He could be worth that to a contender, for whom a young rookie isn't as valuable. Plus, I rate BBD more than others do, especially when he's not given 15 shots per game.

- Also, do Houston have a 2014 1st? Or did that get shipped to OKC for Harden??
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Post#358 » by Carlos Arroyo » Sun Mar 3, 2013 8:26 pm

OrlandoMagician wrote:Anyone think we could interest Houston in this deal for BBD next season:

BBD to Hou
Fran Garcia (expiring) + Houston 2014 1st rounder to Orl

The money works.

Why for Houston? Adding an experienced, useful-for-contending piece in Davis. I personally think he could be great on that roster with good passing guards like Lin and Harden. Sets great screens, plays solid defense etc. After trading for Thomas Robinson they lack experience at the PF position. However, they'll likely try and sign Josh Smith as a FA, if they're unsuccessful though...

Why for Orl? Tanking move, and asset accumulation in a 1st rounder. It won't be an early 1st, given Houston's likely improvement next season, but 2014 is looking a deep talented draft.

Would Houston give up a 2014 1st for BBD though? What use is a young guy in 2014 to a team that's trying to contend?

EDIT: I get the feeling people are going to laugh me off for suggesting BBD is worth a 2014 1st rounder, but I think value is relative. He could be worth that to a contender, for whom a young rookie isn't as valuable. Plus, I rate BBD more than others do, especially when he's not given 15 shots per game.

- Also, do Houston have a 2014 1st? Or did that get shipped to OKC for Harden??

No 1 is giving up a 2014 1st round pick
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Post#359 » by magicman123 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 8:34 pm

Carlos Arroyo wrote:
OrlandoMagician wrote:Anyone think we could interest Houston in this deal for BBD next season:

BBD to Hou
Fran Garcia (expiring) + Houston 2014 1st rounder to Orl

The money works.

Why for Houston? Adding an experienced, useful-for-contending piece in Davis. I personally think he could be great on that roster with good passing guards like Lin and Harden. Sets great screens, plays solid defense etc. After trading for Thomas Robinson they lack experience at the PF position. However, they'll likely try and sign Josh Smith as a FA, if they're unsuccessful though...

Why for Orl? Tanking move, and asset accumulation in a 1st rounder. It won't be an early 1st, given Houston's likely improvement next season, but 2014 is looking a deep talented draft.

Would Houston give up a 2014 1st for BBD though? What use is a young guy in 2014 to a team that's trying to contend?

EDIT: I get the feeling people are going to laugh me off for suggesting BBD is worth a 2014 1st rounder, but I think value is relative. He could be worth that to a contender, for whom a young rookie isn't as valuable. Plus, I rate BBD more than others do, especially when he's not given 15 shots per game.

- Also, do Houston have a 2014 1st? Or did that get shipped to OKC for Harden??

No 1 is giving up a 2014 1st round pick


Milwaukee might :wink:
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Post#360 » by ChosenSavior » Sun Mar 3, 2013 8:44 pm

magicman123 wrote:
Carlos Arroyo wrote:
OrlandoMagician wrote:Anyone think we could interest Houston in this deal for BBD next season:

BBD to Hou
Fran Garcia (expiring) + Houston 2014 1st rounder to Orl

The money works.

Why for Houston? Adding an experienced, useful-for-contending piece in Davis. I personally think he could be great on that roster with good passing guards like Lin and Harden. Sets great screens, plays solid defense etc. After trading for Thomas Robinson they lack experience at the PF position. However, they'll likely try and sign Josh Smith as a FA, if they're unsuccessful though...

Why for Orl? Tanking move, and asset accumulation in a 1st rounder. It won't be an early 1st, given Houston's likely improvement next season, but 2014 is looking a deep talented draft.

Would Houston give up a 2014 1st for BBD though? What use is a young guy in 2014 to a team that's trying to contend?

EDIT: I get the feeling people are going to laugh me off for suggesting BBD is worth a 2014 1st rounder, but I think value is relative. He could be worth that to a contender, for whom a young rookie isn't as valuable. Plus, I rate BBD more than others do, especially when he's not given 15 shots per game.

- Also, do Houston have a 2014 1st? Or did that get shipped to OKC for Harden??

No 1 is giving up a 2014 1st round pick


Milwaukee might :wink:


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