The Bismack Biyombo Thread

James Gatz · Post #1381 » by **James Gatz** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 5:42 am

Biz is smart and a hard worker. I'm never going to bet against that type of guy.

HornetJail · Post #1382 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 6:55 am

BrotherDave wrote:http://www.foxsportscarolinas.com/02/28/13/Bobcats-Biyombo-benefits-from-team-vets/landing_bobcats.html?blockID=871337&feedID=3555

Saw this article earlier. My main issue with that article is that it likens Biz to Diop and Driftwood. The fact that Diop "sees himself in Bismack" can only be terrible unless he's talking about Biz growing three more inches. Biz is much better than Diop has ever been with any team but Dallas.

Stun704 · Post #1383 » by **Stun704** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 7:51 am

That ugly mofo Diop needs to leave ASAP, wish he would agree to a buyout so he can "help" out a contender

LamarMatic7 · Post #1384 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 12:30 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
fatlever wrote:if biz could just become a half-decent lob man after the roll he would increase his ppg easily as well as his fg%. guys like chandler, mcgee and jordan would be good examples. of course, some of that might be on the guards or offense as well. our guards rarely look to throw lobs. it wouldnt shock me to see that we are dead last in alley-oops for the season.

Why is that a surprise? I can't even remember a lob all season.

The only one I can remember is Kemba to Mully on a fastbreak a few games before the all-star game. Was it Mullens's 25/18 game? Could be, but not sure. Otherwise, I believe that it's our only alley-oop of the season.

It's not like we had many of them last year though. I believe Maggs threw a few down, but that's about it.

Post #1385 » by **fatlever** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 5:31 pm

for some reason my brain was thinking 4 - two to mully (one pre-injury), one to hendo and one to JT. i could totally be making that up though.

its pretty sad when you can count on one hand and possibly one finger the number of alley oops in a season, especially on a team that likes to get out on the break and has 3 good wing finishers, plus one good big man finisher.

e4Nf6 · Post #1386 » by **e4Nf6** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 5:35 pm

Haywood has been in the league a while and probably knows a thing or two but Diop shouldn't give advice to anybody. What would it be? "All you have to do is get one big contract and then you can stop caring and get fat while the money rolls in,"

Eoghan · Post #1387 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 10:42 pm

I'm pretty sure the article was just saying that Diop is a good mentor to Biz from a cultural standpoint.

It definitely doesn't sound like Bismack is picking up Diop's work habits.

Nanogeek · Post #1388 » by **Nanogeek** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 11:35 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:http://www.foxsportscarolinas.com/02/28/13/Bobcats-Biyombo-benefits-from-team-vets/landing_bobcats.html?blockID=871337&feedID=3555
Saw this article earlier. My main issue with that article is that it likens Biz to Diop and Driftwood. The fact that Diop "sees himself in Bismack" can only be terrible unless he's talking about Biz growing three more inches. Biz is much better than Diop has ever been with any team but Dallas.

Pretty sad for all of us you had to qualify that statement with "any team but Dallas." As I have been saying all along, Biyombo is a role player right now not a starter. The jury is out whether he'll develop into something more than a role player. His ceiling is a Ben Wallace type - defensive superstar and offensive liability. In Dallas, Diop was a role player never playing more than 18-19 mpg. Lets hope the best we get isn't another Dallas version of Diop.

HornetJail · Post #1389 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 11:42 pm

No, I'm saying that Maverick Diop was better than current Biyombo, but played a smaller role. Kind of the same way Asik was in Chicago, only Diop didn't pan out. His play got him the fat contract that we're still paying off this year. Diop was why I was so convinced the Houston's signing of Asik was a bad deal for a complete offensive liability despite being solid on defense. I'm not saying Biz's ceiling or his future is Dallas Diop, that's the complete opposite of how I feel about Biz, his ceiling is Big Ben.

Nanogeek · Post #1390 » by **Nanogeek** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 1:38 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:No, I'm saying that Maverick Diop was better than current Biyombo, but played a smaller role. Kind of the same way Asik was in Chicago, only Diop didn't pan out. His play got him the fat contract that we're still paying off this year. Diop was why I was so convinced the Houston's signing of Asik was a bad deal for a complete offensive liability despite being solid on defense. I'm not saying Biz's ceiling or his future is Dallas Diop, that's the complete opposite of how I feel about Biz, his ceiling is Big Ben.

I agree his ceiling is Big Ben. And I'm hoping he blows up next year defensively. If he does it won't matter that he's bad offensively. Wallace could spell "free throw" but it didn't matter. Does anyone know if Wallace did anything in particular during the offseason between his second and third year or what otherwise changed that led to his defensive explosion? Maybe it was just experience and if so then we've got hope.

JMAC3 · Post #1391 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 4:43 am

Why is Big Ben his ceiling. Ben Wallace was a great defensive player, but was pretty horrible on offense.

You guys act like Biz is a horrible defender. I would say he is top 10 center on defense right now. He blocks shots and even when he doesnt block shots he alters many. His rebounding is inconsistent right now, but he has shown the ability to grab double digit rebounds for stretches of a season.

I think if he continues to get minutes next season he will be a guy who averages 7 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks. I will take that easily from a 7th pick at his age, when you think about his ceiling as a 25 year old player.

I think he can still be the type of player Ibaka is, but it is not going to happen overnight. I think he will eventually be a Ben Wallace type player, but I think he can be better then Wallace when he hits his prime.

Robot Rock · Post #1392 » by **Robot Rock** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 5:01 am

I'd say his ceiling is still being in the NBA in 4 years.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1393 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 5:02 am

JMAC3 wrote:Why is Big Ben his ceiling. Ben Wallace was a great defensive player, but was pretty horrible on offense.

You guys act like Biz is a horrible defender. I would say he is top 10 center on defense right now. He blocks shots and even when he doesnt block shots he alters many. His rebounding is inconsistent right now, but he has shown the ability to grab double digit rebounds for stretches of a season.

I think if he continues to get minutes next season he will be a guy who averages 7 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks. I will take that easily from a 7th pick at his age, when you think about his ceiling as a 25 year old player.

I think he can still be the type of player Ibaka is, but it is not going to happen overnight. I think he will eventually be a Ben Wallace type player, but I think he can be better then Wallace when he hits his prime.

I doubt hes ever as good as Wallace. I doubt Ibaka will ever be as good as Wallace. Wallace was far and away the best defensive player in the league for a good 5 year stretch. If Biyombo could even get close to averaging 15 rpg id **** myself.

HornetJail · Post #1394 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 5:25 am

Robot Rock wrote:I'd say his ceiling is still being in the NBA in 4 years.

Congratulations Ball Boy, you've become troll #1,000 to post here **** on Bismack.

Eoghan · Post #1395 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 5:41 am

Players Biz can't defend well:

[ ] Bigs with a post up game
[ ] Bigs he doesn't have much experience guarding before
[ ] Bigs bigger than him.

Kanter checks off all those boxes.

raleigh · Post #1396 » by **raleigh** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 1:00 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:I'd say his ceiling is still being in the NBA in 4 years.

Congratulations Ball Boy, you've become troll #1,000 to post here **** on Bismack.

Why is that trolling?

Only a few big men in the past 20 years have managed to stay in the NBA very long while being so terrible on offense. That's not trolling, it's reality. Biz is still years away from being a reliable contributor on a playoff team.

Robot Rock · Post #1397 » by **Robot Rock** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 4:24 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:I'd say his ceiling is still being in the NBA in 4 years.

Congratulations Ball Boy, you've become troll #1,000 to post here **** on Bismack.

Ah, so if I'd posted some 4,000 times somehow that means I'd know more about basketball. Can't say I really care whether or not you like what I say, but let's see in two years whether Biyombo is closer to averaging 15 and 10 or closer to being out of the league.

It's fine to be his fanboy, but don't get all upset when someone calls your boy out. He needs to develop some skills, i.e. catching passes, an offensive move or two, gain some weight and figure out how to rebound in more than one out of every four games.

thruthefire · Post #1398 » by **thruthefire** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 4:45 pm

BrotherDave wrote:Players Biz can't defend well:

[ ] Bigs with a post up game
[ ] Bigs he doesn't have much experience guarding before
[ ] Bigs bigger than him.

Kanter checks off all those boxes.

Basically, you're saying he can't guard anybody.

Eoghan · Post #1399 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 5:20 pm

thruthefire wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Players Biz can't defend well:

[ ] Bigs with a post up game
[ ] Bigs he doesn't have much experience guarding before
[ ] Bigs bigger than him.

Kanter checks off all those boxes.

Basically, you're saying he can't guard anybody.

Not really. He guards Dwight Howard well b/c he has no post up game and has experience guarding him before.

This was probably the first game where Biz had extended minutes guarding Kanter before so Biz had no idea how to play him. Add in the fact that Kanter has nice moves and is a mini Turkish mountain and you have Biz getting abused.

Nanogeek · Post #1400 » by **Nanogeek** » Sun Mar 3, 2013 2:32 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Why is Big Ben his ceiling. Ben Wallace was a great defensive player, but was pretty horrible on offense.

Because Biyombo is apocalyptically bad on offense and we hope eventualy he'll just be horribly bad. If you are looking for Biyombo to develop an offensive game then you're in trouble.

You guys act like Biz is a horrible defender. I would say he is top 10 center on defense right now. He blocks shots and even when he doesnt block shots he alters many. His rebounding is inconsistent right now, but he has shown the ability to grab double digit rebounds for stretches of a season.

Howard
Noah
Hibbert
Chandler
Duncan
McGee
Drummond
Jordan
Sanders
Ibaka
Gasol
Davis
Koufos

Here's 13 centers - which 4.. or hell.. which 1 of these wouldn't you accept in a straight up trade for Biyombo?

I think if he continues to get minutes next season he will be a guy who averages 7 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks. I will take that easily from a 7th pick at his age, when you think about his ceiling as a 25 year old player.

I think he can still be the type of player Ibaka is, but it is not going to happen overnight. I think he will eventually be a Ben Wallace type player, but I think he can be better then Wallace when he hits his prime.

Better than Wallace? That's legend territory. Lets wait until he can manage to justify starter minutes in the NBA before we start etching his statue next to Russell and Olajuwon.