The Bismack Biyombo Thread

KembaWalker · Post #1401 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Mar 3, 2013 2:40 pm

idk how anyone can say Bismack is a top 10 defender with a straight face he's been the paint presence for the worst defense in the league 2 years in a row now. People say this about all our guys, apparently Kemba is a decent defender, Hendo great defender, MKG and Taylor are supposedly great defenders, Bismack supposedly a great defender yet our defense has been god awful with these guys. You can't blame it all on Mullens, hes god awful on D but great defenders can easily mask one players bad defense..see Noah covering for Boozer for the last few years, KG for Bass, Dwight for everyone on his team etc.

Bismack, right now, is a horrible defender that can block shots. Until we are an above average defense with him starting I won't be convinced otherwise

Post #1402 » by **fatlever** » Sun Mar 3, 2013 4:46 pm

biz is not a top 10 defensive big man right now. his positioning, rotations and awareness are comical at times. if he was a top 10 defensive big our entire team defense would be miles better. it all starts with the center on defense.

kwame brown when he was with us was a better defender than biz.

dmutombo321 · Post #1403 » by **dmutombo321** » Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:18 pm

Biz' defensive outing last game was definitely "Not Top 10"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQmsDXwDUso[/youtube]

JMAC3 · Post #1404 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:56 pm

@ Mutombo- It is one game, get over yourself. Take your hand out of your pants and don't make every other post related to your new bromance with Kanter. We get it you are in love with him, but can we wait until he is getting more consistent minutes or playing well against a playoff caliber team.

@Nanogeek- I said top 10 center, so once you take out all the powerfoward (Gasol, Davis, Ibaka) and I would take him over Koufus easily. I think he is better defensively then Drummond. So that means he is with the other 9 centers you listed. I am talking about being an individual defender, It is not his fault we have horrible team defense because we have the leagues worst coach.

Bassman · Post #1405 » by **Bassman** » Sun Mar 3, 2013 7:43 pm

JMAC3 wrote:@ Mutombo- It is one game, get over yourself. Take your hand out of your pants and don't make every other post related to your new bromance with Kanter. We get it you are in love with him, but can we wait until he is getting more consistent minutes or playing well against a playoff caliber team.

@Nanogeek- I said top 10 center, so once you take out all the powerfoward (Gasol, Davis, Ibaka) and I would take him over Koufus easily. I think he is better defensively then Drummond. So that means he is with the other 9 centers you listed. I am talking about being an individual defender, It is not his fault we have horrible team defense because we have the leagues worst coach.

No need to hack on our fellow poster JMAC. Mutombo made a great point about Kanter, so let's take it for what it was. The fact is Biz is nowhere close to being a top 10 center. Everything about his game lacks maturity and leadership at this point. Can he block shots? Yes, but if the rest of his game is deficient, what good is that? Will he get better? Yes, although many of us see how slow the rate of progress is, and rightfully have a legit opinion that he will not reach a serviceable level as a starter. Those who praise him base a lot of this on hope. Their projections are built on the histories of a handful of players verses what Biz is actually doing.

As an individual defender I see Biz getting abused often, particularly by big strong players. Not a surprise as Biz is too small at the 5, but he is NO PF, s he is what he is...an undersized, athletic but very limited player.

-Ian- · Post #1406 » by **-Ian-** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 12:57 am

So, does anyone else think Biz will ever get to play at the NBA level?

HornetJail · Post #1407 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 1:31 am

-Ian- wrote:So, does anyone else think Biz will ever get to play at the NBA level?

If he is still this bad next season we can start this discussion

KembaWalker · Post #1408 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 1:34 am

We're so deep we have a top 10 defensive center in our doghouse

Post #1409 » by **fatlever** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 1:37 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
-Ian- wrote:So, does anyone else think Biz will ever get to play at the NBA level?

If he is still this bad next season we can start this discussion

even if he improves 10% this summer, which is realistic, he will still be awful offensively and liability on defense. if he improves 10% for 4 summers, then we might finally have a player who can contribute serious on a playoff level team.

are we prepared to hold on to biz for another 4 years?

Nanogeek · Post #1410 » by **Nanogeek** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 1:38 am

fatlever wrote:biz is not a top 10 defensive big man right now. his positioning, rotations and awareness are comical at times. if he was a top 10 defensive big our entire team defense would be miles better. it all starts with the center on defense.

kwame brown when he was with us was a better defender than biz.

+1

Biyombo has the athletic tools to be a Wallace-type defender but he's just not there yet. Lets hope next year he blows up.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1411 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 1:40 am

Biyombo is 2 years away from being what alot of us think he can be. Were going to be God awful during that time span anyway, may as well stick with him.

HornetJail · Post #1412 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 1:41 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Biyombo is 2 years away from being what alot of us think he can be. Were going to be God awful during that time span anyway, may as well stick with him.

Thanks for being one of the scarce sources of reason around here as of late.

Post #1413 » by **fatlever** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 1:41 am

i doubt we could trade him for anything of value between now and then anyway.

Post #1414 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 1:53 am

fatlever wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:
-Ian- wrote:So, does anyone else think Biz will ever get to play at the NBA level?

If he is still this bad next season we can start this discussion

even if he improves 10% this summer, which is realistic, he will still be awful offensively and liability on defense. if he improves 10% for 4 summers, then we might finally have a player who can contribute serious on a playoff level team.

are we prepared to hold on to biz for another 4 years?

Only if we throw Tyrus like money at him for the privilege.

Eoghan · Post #1415 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 2:05 am

The only thing that frustrates me is that some of you guys keep forgetting what a project is. If Biz was showing dramatic improvement this year, then he'd just be a regular rookie. But he's not, he's a project.

KembaWalker · Post #1416 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 2:28 am

His offense was supposed to be a project...theres no excuse to getting dominated nightly by other young big men if youre supposed to be a defensive player. Its crazy how far you guys will stretch reality to avoid saying that our players flat out suck at basketball. We put far too much emphasis on intangibles for a team drafting in the lottery every year. Intangibles are nice for a guy you pick up in the 2nd round but when youre spending 7th and 2nd overall picks on guys whos best traits are 'works hard even though he has no discernable skills' or 'hes uh...a winner?' its just a bad direction bad management

How about this year we pick someone who tangibly can put the ball in the basket at a semi respectable percentage and rate or a defensive playee that actually plays defense better than adam morrison

Or *gasp* maybe even a guy who could do both! Ive heard rumors of such a player existing and yes they are typically high in the lottery where we pick! That would be neat

Elden Payton · Post #1417 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 2:38 am

KembaWalker wrote:His offense was supposed to be a project...theres no excuse to getting dominated nightly by other young big men if youre supposed to be a defensive player. Its crazy how far you guys will stretch reality to avoid saying that our players flat out suck at basketball. We put far too much emphasis on intangibles for a team drafting in the lottery every year. Intangibles are nice for a guy you pick up in the 2nd round but when youre spending 7th and 2nd overall picks on guys whos best traits are 'works hard even though he has no discernable skills' or 'hes uh...a winner?' its just a bad direction bad management

How about this year we pick someone who tangibly can put the ball in the basket at a semi respectable percentage and rate or a defensive playee that actually plays defense better than adam morrison

Fair call with the bolded.

Respect for our homeboy @KembaWalker but I disagree with the sentiment about winners/character guys.

We have to have faith with the system that Cho has put in place, hindsight is a funny thing and looking back we may have made a few different choices surely, but, we have to believe in what we are doing and look forward not back.

I would rather draft a winner/character guy like Kemba at 9 than a guy like John Wall at 1 and I would rather draft a few projects like Biyombo or MKG to ensure we remain bad enough to get the main piece.

Biyombo is actually better than I expected him to be at this point and to be honest I'm quite impressed, but that may just be me.

HornetJail · Post #1418 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 2:44 am

Sik Infant wrote:Biyombo is actually better than I expected him to be at this point and to be honest I'm quite impressed, but that may just be me.

Impressed is an overstatement for me. He impressed me last year. I thought he was going to be in and out of the D-League, shooting 35%, and committing 3 fouls playing 10 minutes a night last year. I expected more improvement this year. He's a slight disappointment when you factor in last season and the growth I expected, but he STILL has yet to play for a real coach. Feel bad for the dude. I expected nothing more than this kind of inconsistency from him though. If he is still like this at this point next season, we'll start the bust talk. I don't expect him to break out until his 4th year, and I'll be surprised if we see any extended solid play from him before then

Eoghan · Post #1419 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 2:45 am

Nooo, he was a project with defensive potential. He wasn't supposed to be Mutumbo or Ben Wallace in 2-3 years, he just has the potential to be which is why we drafted him instead of drafting a low-ceiling college guy which we've done our entire draft history to amazingly terrible results. They swung for a high-risk/high-reward guy b/c the franchise is desperate for a high-reward kind of guy. What's the point of drafting guys like Felton/May/Okafor and missing when you can just as easily miss on a project like Biz?

I'm not going to say that Biz is going to be awesome, nor am I going to say that he's always going to be bad. It's silly to speculate on what kind of butterfly Biz is going to become while he's in his cocoon. That's why I'm tired of this from Bobcat's fans:

10 games pass... OMG, Biz isn't Ben Wallace yet!?!?!
another 10 games... WTF!?! Biz is a bust! He should be DPOY by now!! etc.

Maybe the Bucks should have given up on Larry Sanders after he had his horrible two seasons?

Elden Payton · Post #1420 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 2:47 am

BrotherDave wrote:Nooo, he was a project with defensive potential. He wasn't supposed to be Mutumbo or Ben Wallace in 2-3 years, he just has the potential to be which is why we drafted him instead of drafting a low-ceiling college guy which we've done our entire draft history to amazingly terrible results. They swung for a high-risk/high-reward guy b/c the franchise is desperate for a high-reward kind of guy. What's the point of drafting guys like Felton/May/Okafor and missing when you can just as easily miss on a project like Biz?

I'm not going to say that Biz is going to be awesome, nor am I going to say that he's always going to be bad. It's silly to speculate on what kind of butterfly Biz is going to become while he's in his cocoon. That's why I'm tired of this from Bobcat's fans:

10 games pass... OMG, Biz isn't Ben Wallace yet!?!?!
another 10 games... WTF!?! Biz is a bust! He should be DPOY by now!! etc.

Maybe the Bucks should have given up on Larry Sanders after he had his horrible two seasons?

Great post BD.

Bolded for emphasis on the fact that Sanders was like 22-23 years old or something when he was drafted.