Iggy Prediction

[scottcarman]

I think he wants to stay and I think the Nuggets want him to stay. However, he also wants security. First, let's assume he opts into his contract for next year which would be for approx 16M. Then at the end of the year he signs and extension with the Nugs for 10M per for 3-4 years as he enters into his 30s. He has less security and will be playing for another contract year.

If instead he opts out and they spread those same payments out then it would essentially be 16 + 30 = 46 Mil/4 years which is about 11.5M per. So next year, the Nuggets cap would have significanlty more flexibility then if he just opted into his contract. But Iggy would get the advantage of long term security. Could it be a win-win for Iggy to opt out and instead sign a 4 year/46 Mil extension (or something along those lines).

[The Rebel]

I could see Iggy wanting to do it, but I don't think the Nuggets are so willing to sign him to a long term contract paying that kind of money. Iggy has already shown signs of regressing over the last 2 years, and I think they would regret that contract long term if they did it.

[scottcarman]

I could see Iggy wanting to do it, but I don't think the Nuggets are so willing to sign him to a long term contract paying that kind of money. Iggy has already shown signs of regressing over the last 2 years, and I think they would regret that contract long term if they did it.

You may view his stats as regressing, but he has been a solid contributor. His PER is around 15 while holding the opposing SG to a PER around 12. Plus his on/off court stats show the Nuggets scoring 5.3 pts more per 100 possessions then when he is off the court. Only Gallo and Koufos have a better on/off court difference.

The fact that he can adapt and handle the ball, score a little, rebound, defend allows the Nuggets to be much more flexible. At the end of this contract he would be around 33 or 34 which he should be able to sustain his game to that age.

He is not the guy that you run your offense through, but he is the guy eveyone wishes they had on their team.

[Manimal]

Be that as it may, you don't pay 12+ million for a 30 yr old glue guy who plays great defense.

[torotoe]

Be that as it may, you don't pay 12+ million for a 30 yr old glue guy who plays great defense.

Not for four years. 2/24 wouldn't be bad though. That or 4/38 with a player option for the final year.

[Powder Blue]

This will be interesting...better for the Nuggets if he opts out. I think the sweet spot is 3/33, somewhere in there. Makes him tradable too. He's def not worth $16 mil.

Going into next season Faried, Lawson and Chandler have really good deals.

http://storytellerscontracts.com/

[scottcarman]

Be that as it may, you don't pay 12+ million for a 30 yr old glue guy who plays great defense.

Not for four years. 2/24 wouldn't be bad though. That or 4/38 with a player option for the final year.

I don't think you guys understand the situation. It's his option to take 16 mil next year. So I am pretty sure that he won't take a 2/24 deal. I would be fairly certain that he could get better than a one year 8 mil deal after cashing in on 16 Mil. I don't understand why everyone thinks he plays so bad. He has one of the best PER differential, and on/off court stats on the entire team. And this is a probably a top 7 or 8 team in the leage. Many teams have 2 or 3 maxed out guys, and usually a couple more that make near 10 Mil. You really don't think that he deserves to be paid as the 3rd or 4th best player on the team. Remember, he already earned that 16 Mil next year and it's his option, spreading it out over an extension just helps with cap flexibility. Personally, I would be surprised with anything less than 4/40.

[scottcarman]

Be that as it may, you don't pay 12+ million for a 30 yr old glue guy who plays great defense.

Not for four years. 2/24 wouldn't be bad though. That or 4/38 with a player option for the final year.

I don't think you guys understand the situation. It's his option to take 16 mil next year. So I am pretty sure that he won't take a 2/24 deal. I would be fairly certain that he could get better than a one year 8 mil deal after cashing in on 16 Mil. I don't understand why everyone thinks he plays so bad. He has one of the best PER differential, and on/off court stats on the entire team. And this is a probably a top 7 or 8 team in the leage. Many teams have 2 or 3 maxed out guys, and usually a couple more that make near 10 Mil. You really don't think that he deserves to be paid as the 3rd or 4th best player on the team. Remember, he already earned that 16 Mil next year and it's his option, spreading it out over an extension just helps with cap flexibility. Personally, I would be surprised with anything less than 4/40.

[scottcarman]

Be that as it may, you don't pay 12+ million for a 30 yr old glue guy who plays great defense.

You are kidding right. Do I really need to come up with a list of 30 yr old guys that are making more that 12+ million and DON'T play defense. Plus you are really only paying him 10 mil a year and then spreading out the 16 that he already is owed next year.

[Manimal]

Be that as it may, you don't pay 12+ million for a 30 yr old glue guy who plays great defense.

You are kidding right. Do I really need to come up with a list of 30 yr old guys that are making more that 12+ million and DON'T play defense. Plus you are really only paying him 10 mil a year and then spreading out the 16 that he already is owed next year.

Go for it. Not including bigs, I don't think you'll have much luck. And the ones you can name no one will say are good contracts.

[scottcarman]

Be that as it may, you don't pay 12+ million for a 30 yr old glue guy who plays great defense.

You are kidding right. Do I really need to come up with a list of 30 yr old guys that are making more that 12+ million and DON'T play defense. Plus you are really only paying him 10 mil a year and then spreading out the 16 that he already is owed next year.

Go for it. Not including bigs, I don't think you'll have much luck. And the ones you can name no one will say are good contracts.

always caveats. Similarly, name another player of any age, that has similar PER differential and on/off stats with significant minutes that is making less than 10 mil? I bet that all of those players are considered extremely good contracts.

What is your argument other then he is old? Are you just a PER or pts guy and since his numbers aren't flashy, then he is bad for the team?

[scottcarman]

Steve Nash (39, and making 9/yr)
Kirilenko (32, around 10/yr, considered good contract)
Zach Randolph (31 making 16.5 mil, bad contract?)
Kevin Martin (29, 12.5 mil)
Ginobilli (35 y/o 14 mil. bad contract?)
Duncan (36 y/o made 20 mil very recently)
Al Jeff (28 years old and predicted to get way more than 10/yr)
Iggy (29, around 10/yr?)

I didn't even look at the eastern conference.

Even though some of these players have high PERs, they are paid much more, or they have horrible defense and allow the opposition just as many points. Or they are considerably older than the age that Iggy would be after a 4 year extension. Especially considering inflation, I think if we could get Iggy for several more years at that price, then it is in the ballpark of his value. Someone will pay him that amount of money. I'm pretty sure of it, barring any unforeseen circumstances.

[The Rebel]

Most of those guys are in the last couple of years of very long contracts, as for Kirilenko or Nash right now if you think those are good deals then I have no idea what to tell you. Not to mention AK is signed for 2 years, yet that is not long enough for Iggy according to you.

Fact is Igoudala will more then likely get overpaid based on history and his rep, personally if he opts out I would not resign him. Just does not make sense for the Nuggets to commit that kind of money to a guy who is considerably older then most of their roster, and he does not really fit with what they need from their SG if the plan really is to build long term around Gallo, Faried, and Lawson.

Letting him go allows the Nuggets to get back under the cap and gives them capabilities to actually make some moves to improve the team.

[torotoe]

Most of those guys are in the last couple of years of very long contracts, as for Kirilenko or Nash right now if you think those are good deals then I have no idea what to tell you. Not to mention AK is signed for 2 years, yet that is not long enough for Iggy according to you.

AK has a decent contract, for the reason it could be a one year deal if Minny wants. It was 2yr/20m, the second year being a team option.

Fact is Igoudala will more then likely get overpaid based on history and his rep, personally if he opts out I would not resign him. Just does not make sense for the Nuggets to commit that kind of money to a guy who is considerably older then most of their roster, and he does not really fit with what they need from their SG if the plan really is to build long term around Gallo, Faried, and Lawson.

Letting him go allows the Nuggets to get back under the cap and gives them capabilities to actually make some moves to improve the team.

Who would you target in free agency? Mayo?

[pickIBL]

Who would the Nuggets target if Iggy opts out? Brewer would like to come back too but I hope we don't overpay for him either.

First we have Hamilton who is ready for minutes. My suggestion would be to p/u Sonny Weems who is shooting very well for CSKA Moscow. I'd also float McGee for some shooting as well. We'll also have the draft to look at some guys. If we are able to move Chandler... I vote for Karasev in the draft.

[The Rebel]

Most of those guys are in the last couple of years of very long contracts, as for Kirilenko or Nash right now if you think those are good deals then I have no idea what to tell you. Not to mention AK is signed for 2 years, yet that is not long enough for Iggy according to you.

AK has a decent contract, for the reason it could be a one year deal if Minny wants. It was 2yr/20m, the second year being a team option.

Fact is Igoudala will more then likely get overpaid based on history and his rep, personally if he opts out I would not resign him. Just does not make sense for the Nuggets to commit that kind of money to a guy who is considerably older then most of their roster, and he does not really fit with what they need from their SG if the plan really is to build long term around Gallo, Faried, and Lawson.

Letting him go allows the Nuggets to get back under the cap and gives them capabilities to actually make some moves to improve the team.

Who would you target in free agency? Mayo?

Your not going to get Mayo for MLE type money, however the Nuggets are going to have to make trades, if you stay under the tax you can do deals for 150% return, so I would love to see the Nuggets take back more money in deals to go out and get some good prospects/players while still staying under the tax.

Some deals I would pursue are something like
Igoudala (who I don't think even opts out) or if he opts out then trade cap space and Chandler for Jason Thompson and filler. I think with the Kings adding Patrick Patterson they can afford to move Thompson and I have heard he does not get along with Cousins all that well.

Or Igoudala (Once again I don't see him opting out) and Faried for Drummond, singler, and CV. Giving the nuggets a TPE for about $6 million and a guy who should be a good starting center in the league long term as well as a couple of shooters off the bench.

Then regardless of which deal you do to dump Iggy, I would trade McGee for a decent starting quality d 3 type SG and a project big to be the 5th or 6th big man on the roster. Say to the Celtics for Courtney Lee, Fab Melo, and a heavily protected 1st round pick.

[RRFB]

Just does not make sense for the Nuggets to commit that kind of money to a guy who is considerably older then most of their roster, and he does not really fit with what they need from their SG if the plan really is to build long term around Gallo, Faried, and Lawson.

Other than his blatant inability to shoot the ball, why is Iguodala no longer a good fit here? He's still an elite perimeter defender (good at creating turnovers, which our offense needs to succeed), his speed and athleticism is perfect for our system and he doesn't need to score the ball in order to be effective. Before the season started, Iguodala was almost considered too good of a fit to be true. Sure he's had some difficulty adjusting to the new system, but I don't think that changes anything.

Iguodala said himself that if he declines his option, he's willing to accept less $ per year in return for a multi-year deal. I'd be happy giving him somewhere around $10mil per for three or four seasons.

[scottcarman]

I think the issue actually stems from having Dre Miller on the roster and being a Karl favorite. Lawson is going to get his minutes so there aren't overflowing backup PG minutes. Since Dre has earned his playing time, he takes the backup SG minutes as well. So now the two Dre's are sucking up all the SG minutes. Since, neither is known for shooting, you have all of your minutes at 'shooting' guard with guys that aren't known for shooting. This works fine and dandy if Lawson, Gallo, Chandler are hitting from deep, but becomes a glaring issue when those players struggle.

The problem is that Dre and Dre both play very similar well rounded games. We need a change of pace SG instead of the same mold.

I would like to see if we could potentially package Dre Miller with McGee in the offseason.

[Powder Blue]

Who would the Nuggets target if Iggy opts out? Brewer would like to come back too but I hope we don't overpay for him either.

First we have Hamilton who is ready for minutes. My suggestion would be to p/u Sonny Weems who is shooting very well for CSKA Moscow. I'd also float McGee for some shooting as well. We'll also have the draft to look at some guys. If we are able to move Chandler... I vote for Karasev in the draft.

You want Denver to dump Iggy, Chandler and McGee to give minutes to Hamilton, sign Sonny Weems (who never got any P/T here) and draft Karasev?

Bro do you realize the goal in the NBA is to win games?...not sign players with foreign affiliations.

[Powder Blue]

Most of those guys are in the last couple of years of very long contracts, as for Kirilenko or Nash right now if you think those are good deals then I have no idea what to tell you. Not to mention AK is signed for 2 years, yet that is not long enough for Iggy according to you.

AK has a decent contract, for the reason it could be a one year deal if Minny wants. It was 2yr/20m, the second year being a team option.

Fact is Igoudala will more then likely get overpaid based on history and his rep, personally if he opts out I would not resign him. Just does not make sense for the Nuggets to commit that kind of money to a guy who is considerably older then most of their roster, and he does not really fit with what they need from their SG if the plan really is to build long term around Gallo, Faried, and Lawson.

Letting him go allows the Nuggets to get back under the cap and gives them capabilities to actually make some moves to improve the team.

Who would you target in free agency? Mayo?

Your not going to get Mayo for MLE type money, however the Nuggets are going to have to make trades, if you stay under the tax you can do deals for 150% return, so I would love to see the Nuggets take back more money in deals to go out and get some good prospects/players while still staying under the tax.

Some deals I would pursue are something like
Igoudala (who I don't think even opts out) or if he opts out then trade cap space and Chandler for Jason Thompson and filler. I think with the Kings adding Patrick Patterson they can afford to move Thompson and I have heard he does not get along with Cousins all that well.

Or Igoudala (Once again I don't see him opting out) and Faried for Drummond, singler, and CV. Giving the nuggets a TPE for about $6 million and a guy who should be a good starting center in the league long term as well as a couple of shooters off the bench.

Then regardless of which deal you do to dump Iggy, I would trade McGee for a decent starting quality d 3 type SG and a project big to be the 5th or 6th big man on the roster. Say to the Celtics for Courtney Lee, Fab Melo, and a heavily protected 1st round pick.

Rebel in every one of those deals we're giving up the best players and getting mediocre pieces back. We're not into Luxury tax territory and we never use our TPE's. why dump our talent for more prospects? Seems regressive to me. Isn't the goal to trade two of our top 6-7 for 1 really good player and a filler?