Heat@Knicks 3/3/13 1pm EST ABC

[Vertical Limit]

Can you guys take this MJ/Lebron nonsense to the "MJ is fearing his GOAT status" thread? I don't read that thread so I don't have to listen to that crap.

[DWadeno3]

Now you're just kind of rambling. You complain they don't have the same style of play, but again...that's not why they are compared. Lebron's a much better scorer than Magic ever was, and a much better playmaker than Jordan. Lebron has a unique combination of elite SCORING and PLAYMAKING. The dicussion isnt about "style of play", its about being the greatest. You don't like it, too bad. There's still a lot of basketball left to play and a lot left to prove. The discussion won't go away and I'm sorry if you don't understand why it's there, but that's the nature of the sport.

So what's your definition of THE greatest then, because whatever it is, you can make a case for several players. What does a player make the greatest? And don't the surroundings a player played under matter, such as the quality of teammates he had, the type of basketball that was being played in the generation? Doesn't it matter what position the player played, what kinda offense he played under and thus what his role in a team's construct was? Doesn't it matter what kind of physical abilities he had and thus what type of player he was? When it comes down to answering those questions, you can't even really compare LeBron to Magic because they're from entirely different generations. You say LeBron is a much better scorer than Magic just based on their scoring average. You say LeBron is a much better playmaker than Jordan because of their assist averages. So is Jordan are far superior scorer compared to LeBron? Or is his higher scoring average more so based on the teams he played on, the role he had and the way he played? People just compare raw statistics or individual accolades from two players without taking the circumstances into account and given that basketball is a team sport, that's just flat out (Please Use More Appropriate Word).
So I'm sorry, I do understand why it's there, I just consider it ridiculous and a discussion left for player fanboys.

[fast-break]

Now you're just kind of rambling. You complain they don't have the same style of play, but again...that's not why they are compared. Lebron's a much better scorer than Magic ever was, and a much better playmaker than Jordan. Lebron has a unique combination of elite SCORING and PLAYMAKING. The dicussion isnt about "style of play", its about being the greatest. You don't like it, too bad. There's still a lot of basketball left to play and a lot left to prove. The discussion won't go away and I'm sorry if you don't understand why it's there, but that's the nature of the sport.

So what's your definition of THE greatest then, because whatever it is, you can make a case for several players. What does a player make the greatest? And don't the surroundings a player played under matter, such as the quality of teammates he had, the type of basketball that was being played in the generation? Doesn't it matter what position the player played, what kinda offense he played under and thus what his role in a team's construct was? Doesn't it matter what kind of physical abilities he had and thus what type of player he was? When it comes down to answering those questions, you can't even really compare LeBron to Magic because they're from entirely different generations. You say LeBron is a much better scorer than Magic just based on their scoring average. You say LeBron is a much better playmaker than Jordan because of their assist averages. So is Jordan are far superior scorer compared to LeBron? Or is his higher scoring average more so based on the teams he played on, the role he had and the way he played? People just compare raw statistics or individual accolades from two players without taking the circumstances into account and given that basketball is a team sport, that's just flat out (Please Use More Appropriate Word).
So I'm sorry, I do understand why it's there, I just consider it ridiculous and a discussion left for player fanboys.

You seem agitated lol.

I don't think Lebron is the greatest by the way...too much basketball left to be played. I just believe the potential is there. For me, it's all a combination of caliber of player,ability,versatility, dominance,accolades, and circumstance. Only time will tell.

The point was the discussion isn't about "style of play"...but I think you knew that.

[420]

I missed the game, but it seems like one of those games I'd be glad to miss. Melo scores more points than Bron by making 3 less shots and 1 less 3pter. These David Stern All-Stars, te lo juro lol.

Damn I swear nothing is more better than seeing Knicks fans b###h & whine on their board after each loss...

Thanks for the heads up, gonna go check that out.

Actually the game was pretty decent, but too many sloppy turnovers and that second quarter was disgusting but the 3rd & 4th quarter made it feel like a playoff game...

Just finished watching the game and you hit the nail right on the head. We barely escaped, though. We can't let the Knicks go up by nearly 20 if we plan to beat them in the playoffs. Go HEAT!

[DWadeno3]

You seem agitated lol.

I don't think Lebron is the greatest by the way...too much basketball left to be played. I just believe the potential is there. For me, it's all a combination of caliber of player,ability,versatility, dominance,accolades, and circumstance. Only time will tell.

The point was the discussion isn't about "style of play"...but I think you knew that.

I'm not really agitated, no.
And I never stated it's exclusively about style of play, but the style of play certainly shapes the way a player's statistics look and since statistics are part of measuring his greatness, the style of play certainly is a factor in this discussion. My original point was simply that Magic Johnson is just as much of one of the greatest players of all time as Jordan is and that if we're trying describe LeBron's greatness today and put it in context with the history of the game, it's smarter to compare him to another versatile 6'8 guard/forward than a 6'6 scoring guard.

[fast-break]

You seem agitated lol.

I don't think Lebron is the greatest by the way...too much basketball left to be played. I just believe the potential is there. For me, it's all a combination of caliber of player,ability,versatility, dominance,accolades, and circumstance. Only time will tell.

The point was the discussion isn't about "style of play"...but I think you knew that.

I'm not really agitated, no.
And I never stated it's exclusively about style of play, but the style of play certainly shapes the way a player's statistics look and since statistics are part of measuring his greatness, the style of play certainly is a factor in this discussion. My original point was simply that Magic Johnson is just as much of one of the greatest players of all time as Jordan is and that if we're trying describe LeBron's greatness today and put it in context with the history of the game, it's smarter to compare him to another versatile 6'8 guard/forward than a 6'6 scoring guard.

Nope...and even then both are wings.

[DWadeno3]

Nope...and even then both are wings.

I'll just leave it at that.

[fast-break]

Nope...and even then both are wings.

I'll just leave it at that.

lol...Yep.

[Vertical Limit]

I love how Knicks fans are saying Lebron didn't shut down Melo, his injury did. So he wasn't injured in the first half and in the second half a mystery injury showed up. Right.

[Voice_of_Reason]

I love how Knicks fans are saying Lebron didn't shut down Melo, his injury did. So he wasn't injured in the first half and in the second half a mystery injury showed up. Right.

Helped having Haslem on him to begin the game. He could get pretty much whatever he wanted.

[mopper8]

Jordan is generally considered #1. Lebron might just be playing better than anybody has ever played. It thus makes sense to ask, "is he playing better than the guy we previously thought was #1?" no matter what position. It wasn't like nobody ever asked if Jordan was better than Kareem, or Wilt, or Russell, etc. Those were (and still are!) valid debates.

[GoodSir]

From Knicks board:

I think we can beat this team. Not saying we will, but I think we have what it takes. Just a matter of execution, but we aren't a great matchup for them

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Heat fans won't admit it, but they do NOT wanna see us in the playoffs.

On the contrary, I actually WANT to see them in the playoffs

That would mean we're moving on to the next round in 5 games tops.

[narmerguy]

Jordan is generally considered #1. Lebron might just be playing better than anybody has ever played. It thus makes sense to ask, "is he playing better than the guy we previously thought was #1?" no matter what position. It wasn't like nobody ever asked if Jordan was better than Kareem, or Wilt, or Russell, etc. Those were (and still are!) valid debates.

Yep, as frustrating as it is, it's inevitable.

[fast-break]

Jordan is generally considered #1. Lebron might just be playing better than anybody has ever played. It thus makes sense to ask, "is he playing better than the guy we previously thought was #1?" no matter what position. It wasn't like nobody ever asked if Jordan was better than Kareem, or Wilt, or Russell, etc. Those were (and still are!) valid debates.

This guy gets it. Awesome.

[dreamchaser]

I love how Knicks fans are saying Lebron didn't shut down Melo, his injury did. So he wasn't injured in the first half and in the second half a mystery injury showed up. Right.

I remember one of them came in here earlier before the tip talking about how Shumpert is a Wade stopper

[dreamchaser]

Sorry to double post but damn, is this what these clowns do every time they lose? They've got more excuses than Celtics fans, it's disgusting...

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[D-BE-LAW]

the knicks simply aren't good. I feast on knick fans tears and will continue to feast on them when they get destroyed 1st round in the playoffs.

[420]

Sorry to double post but damn, is this what these clowns do every time they lose? They've got more excuses than Celtics fans, it's disgusting...

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My only response to them would be: would you like to switch with the Heat's FTAs and Personal Fouls instead?

We made 7 more shots than them and only won by 6pts? No joda.

[dreamchaser]

Sorry to double post but damn, is this what these clowns do every time they lose? They've got more excuses than Celtics fans, it's disgusting...

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My only response to them would be: would you like to switch with the Heat's FTAs and Personal Fouls instead?

We made 7 more shots than them and only won by 6pts? No joda.

Serioulsy, I don't see how they can whine about fouls when Melo had more FTAs alone than the whole damn team in the first quarter, 9-6...And I guess they mad because once again LeBron locked down their hero Melo in the second half, when LeBron was on him Melo only shot 3-11 in the entire second half...

[420]

My only response to them would be: would you like to switch with the Heat's FTAs and Personal Fouls instead?

We made 7 more shots than them and only won by 6pts? No joda.

Serioulsy, I don't see how they can whine about fouls when Melo had more FTAs alone than the whole damn team in the first quarter, 9-6...And I guess they mad because once again LeBron locked down their hero Melo in the second half, when LeBron was on him Melo only shot 3-11 in the entire second half...

+1 man. Melo was getting to the line on jumpshots while LeBron and Wade couldn't get to the line on drives with contact. It's just crazy how they can complain when all the stats point to a solid Heat victory if not for the FT discrepancy.

This guy 's post caught my attention and it's true. We should never win a game according to 29 other fan bases. There's some people who just can't accept that talent and hard work trumps all. Heat are the best of both worlds.

Fun fact of the day: The Miami Heat would be 0-57 if every time after a game, the fanbase cries of the games being rigged, and that Miami would have lost without the refs help were actually substantiated in reality, and not post game sour grapes.

Yes, LeBron's block on Chandler was a foul, but don't sit here and pretend like you aren't unbiased by listing the times where you felt the Knicks were fouled when nothing got called and chalk it up to the refs "cheating for Miami", which is ludicrous given that David Stern would want nothing more than to have the Knicks be a legitimate title contender every single season.

How about Battier's 2nd foul in the 1st quarter on Carmelo where Melo got 3 free throws when there was obviously no foul? How about at the end of the 4th on the Bosh layin where he was pushed in the air and there was no call? Give me a break. LeBron does get a way with a lot on defense, but he is consistently robbed of free throw opportunities because he gets hacked and it doesn't phase him, so it isn't obvious to the refs.