The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2)

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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#281 » by SideshowBob » Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:10 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Wade finished with 20/8/8 on 50% shooting, it wasn't just Battier.

As for LeBron, he's looked too passive to me lately, sometimes he gets in that mode where he wants to be the chessmaster and sit and pick apart the defense, he's holding the ball for too long, needs to react quicker instead of giving the defense time to set up. It doesn't matter if you have a mismatch if there's only 10 seconds left on the shot clock and their whole defense is in position waiting for you.


Yeah I've noticed a lot of that lately. That's something he wasn't doing much of during that streak before the All Star break; he was consistently making quick moves and putting pressure on the defense early. He's gone back to playing relatively lazy basketball since then as far as I'm concerned.
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Post#282 » by ronnymac2 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:22 pm

I don't have a problem with him holding the ball when he's at the top of the key. He constantly finds cutters at the basket or hits corner shooters in their sweet spots.

Defense is great, although his guy seems to get by him with more regularity these days. But his global defensive impact has never been better imo.


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Post#283 » by therealbig3 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:24 pm

ronnymac2 wrote:I thought my Knicks had a shot at winning...


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I thought you were a Lakers fan.

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Post#284 » by toodles23 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:40 pm

Another game tomorrow in Minnesota, hope that knee injury wasn't anything that's going to effect him. I expect him and the Heat to coast, possible trap game?

I also like him starting the 4th a lot more, he should get his rest at the end of the 3rd so he can play the whole 4th. He's just more into the game that way. Also, Miami has gone with Wade handling the ball too much down the stretch lately, and I really have no idea why - it just leads to worse results than having Lebron handle it, Wade is the master of turning it over or taking a bad 22 footer at the exact wrong time.
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Post#285 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:44 pm

toodles23 wrote:Also, Miami has gone with Wade handling the ball too much down the stretch lately, and I really have no idea why - it just leads to worse results than having Lebron handle it, Wade is the master of turning it over or taking a bad 22 footer at the exact wrong time.


Its 50/50 for me when LeBron's playing like he is right now. Wade is more likely to do something dumb, granted, but he's more decisive with his actions, LeBron atm is too passive in deciding what he's going to do, he has to make up his mind quicker. Miami's playing like they did in 10-11 at times when LeBron is like this, taking every possession down to the last 10 seconds of the shot clock.

Its fine when the role players are hitting their shots (Battier has been on a huge hot streak lately, Ray's broken out of his slump some as well), but if they're off its going to lead to ugly basketball (they had a 24 second shot clock violation today, that's something you rarely see from this offense anymore).
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Post#286 » by SweetTouch » Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:51 pm

toodles23 wrote:Another game tomorrow in Minnesota, hope that knee injury wasn't anything that's going to effect him. I expect him and the Heat to coast, possible trap game?

I also like him starting the 4th a lot more, he should get his rest at the end of the 3rd so he can play the whole 4th. He's just more into the game that way. Also, Miami has gone with Wade handling the ball too much down the stretch lately, and I really have no idea why - it just leads to worse results than having Lebron handle it, Wade is the master of turning it over or taking a bad 22 footer at the exact wrong time.


Wade handling the ball in crunch time is basically asking for it
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Post#287 » by IG2 » Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:56 pm

^ Forgot to mention that in my previous post. He was definitely doing a lot of nothing with the ball at the top of the key today. Very Cleveland-like, where he's essentially forcing a switch on the pick n roll and wants to take it 1-on-1 against a big...often in the last 5 seconds of the clock. Not good offense at all, but it's something that will happen a lot any time Miami's(or Cleveland back in the day) offense is not clicking. LeBron takes it upon himself to do a lot of dribbling/decision making. That's one flaw that will remain in his game....the lack of decisiveness after catching the ball. Wade, indeed, is much better when it comes to that. Speaking of him, I found his stat line today misleading. I thought him and Chalmers were pretty much keeping NY competitive in the 2nd half with their bad decision making.
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Post#288 » by Mutnt » Sun Mar 3, 2013 10:44 pm

IG2 wrote:^ Forgot to mention that in my previous post. He was definitely doing a lot of nothing with the ball at the top of the key today. Very Cleveland-like, where he's essentially forcing a switch on the pick n roll and wants to take it 1-on-1 against a big...often in the last 5 seconds of the clock. Not good offense at all, but it's something that will happen a lot any time Miami's(or Cleveland back in the day) offense is not clicking. LeBron takes it upon himself to do a lot of dribbling/decision making. That's one flaw that will remain in his game....the lack of decisiveness after catching the ball. Wade, indeed, is much better when it comes to that. Speaking of him, I found his stat line today misleading. I thought him and Chalmers were pretty much keeping NY competitive in the 2nd half with their bad decision making.


I agree, the major problem is that he becomes too predictable. He has the ball at the top of the key and is dribbling it at a snail-like pace until 5,4,3 and he's still behind the three pointer dribbling. At this point, the defense already knows he's gonna chuck a three or at least a long jump shot, so they're prepared and that leaves LeBron having to take a tough shot. Bad offense, always keep the defense on their toes and guessing. That's where Wade is different, he'll take a lot of bad shots because they'll defend him well, but he's constantly bouncing on his feet and hesitating to keep the defense guessing what is he going to do. That's why he's able to successfully get the defense to bite on those pump fakes even though he's been doing that exact same move at least for 5 years now.

The bigger problem, as far as I'm concerned, is not that Wade handles the ball on the perimeter down the stretch, it's that at the meantime, LeBron is just standing in the corner and not really doing anything in the offense. That can't happen. Conversely, watch how much better Wade is moving off-ball, cutting and getting good position when LeBron is at the point.

Anyway, hope that knee is okay, it's important that he can play without any minor injuries limiting his explosiveness. I wouldn't mind if he sits tomorrow for precautionary reasons.
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Post#289 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sun Mar 3, 2013 10:47 pm

A lot of it is LeBron isn't even considering getting in the post lately. I think that'll change as the playoffs roll around, so it could just be as Sideshow said, laziness.
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Post#290 » by moses22 » Mon Mar 4, 2013 3:20 am

He hit some pretty big jumpers today and made it real tough for melo in the second half BUT his one on one ability looked really bad this game he couldn't get by any one today (even amare!!) he looked most effective off ball
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Post#291 » by B_Creamy » Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:56 am

I'm having a hard time understanding why people see such a huge gap between LeBron and Durant this season. Anyone care to enlighten me?
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Post#292 » by therealbig3 » Mon Mar 4, 2013 6:58 am

B_Creamy wrote:I'm having a hard time understanding why people see such a huge gap between LeBron and Durant this season. Anyone care to enlighten me?


Durant's advantage is scoring, and he's barely better at that than LeBron. LeBron destroys him as a ball handler and passer, as well as a defender. He's a better rebounder too, and combining all that together, he's just a better overall player with a bigger overall impact.

I'm actually surprised that some people still think it's pretty close between the two. How has LeBron not been much better?
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Post#293 » by Colbinii » Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:04 am

B_Creamy wrote:I'm having a hard time understanding why people see such a huge gap between LeBron and Durant this season. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Do you watch the games?
If you watch the games, you can tell one player is CLEARLY better than the other.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#294 » by B_Creamy » Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:06 am

Colbinii wrote:
B_Creamy wrote:I'm having a hard time understanding why people see such a huge gap between LeBron and Durant this season. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Do you watch the games?
If you watch the games, you can tell one player is CLEARLY better than the other.


I actually live in Miami, so I watch plenty of LeBron.
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Post#295 » by mopper8 » Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:08 am

therealbig3 wrote:
B_Creamy wrote:I'm having a hard time understanding why people see such a huge gap between LeBron and Durant this season. Anyone care to enlighten me?


Durant's advantage is scoring, and he's barely better at that than LeBron. LeBron destroys him as a ball handler and passer, as well as a defender. He's a better rebounder too, and combining all that together, he's just a better overall player with a bigger overall impact.

I'm actually surprised that some people still think it's pretty close between the two. How has LeBron not been much better?


I'd add that Durant is better at getting his offense "in the flow" of the game, but Lebron is better at simply controlling the flow of the game, organizing the offense from the point or the post. That goes hand-in-hand with the ball-handler/passer stuff, but there's also a mental aspect to it.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#296 » by Colbinii » Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:11 am

B_Creamy wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
B_Creamy wrote:I'm having a hard time understanding why people see such a huge gap between LeBron and Durant this season. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Do you watch the games?
If you watch the games, you can tell one player is CLEARLY better than the other.


I actually live in Miami, so I watch plenty of LeBron.


So why are you asking this question?
If you watch each of them play, especially against each other, you can tell one is vastly superior to the other.
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Post#297 » by B_Creamy » Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:16 am

therealbig3 wrote:I'm actually surprised that some people still think it's pretty close between the two. How has LeBron not been much better?


I'm just not convinced their impact offensively is really that different. The biggest thing is probably how close their two teams are offensively. Maybe it's just out of ignorance that I don't see how Durant's team mates optimize their offense better than LeBron's do.
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Post#298 » by B_Creamy » Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:17 am

Colbinii wrote:So why are you asking this question?
If you watch each of them play, especially against each other, you can tell one is vastly superior to the other.


Clearly this is not the case.
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Post#299 » by Colbinii » Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:20 am

B_Creamy wrote:
Colbinii wrote:So why are you asking this question?
If you watch each of them play, especially against each other, you can tell one is vastly superior to the other.


Clearly this is not the case.

Really? Did you see the finals or the 2 games this year?
Lebron is more polished in nearly every basketball attribute.
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Post#300 » by B_Creamy » Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:31 am

Colbinii wrote:Really? Did you see the finals or the 2 games this year?
Lebron is more polished in nearly every basketball attribute.


Maybe you'd care to respond to what I wrote earlier.

I'm just not convinced their impact offensively is really that different. The biggest thing is probably how close their two teams are offensively. Maybe it's just out of ignorance that I don't see how Durant's team mates optimize their offense better than LeBron's do.

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