OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread

jman2585 · Post #1001 » by **jman2585** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 12:36 am

Ricky Davis was a negative impact player even when he was posting almost 20ppg.

SWedd523 · Post #1002 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 12:44 am

He sucks, he's just another bust in the long line of Bobcats busts and will never be anything more than a role player.

said almost everybody last year about Kemba.

STFU plz

HornetJail · Post #1003 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 1:10 am

I was about to virtual punch you in the face, but then I read the second and third lines and gave you an And-1.

advanced · Post #1004 » by **advanced** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 2:02 am

SWedd523 wrote:He sucks, he's just another bust in the long line of Bobcats busts and will never be anything more than a role player.

said almost everybody last year about Kemba.

STFU plz

I admire your optimism but this team has put me through too much. Even now, the team that picks ahead of us gets rthe 19 year old 21per center, the two teams picking after us got young SGs lighting up the league already superior to Hendo. The rookie of the year picked 6th. And the teams looking dumb are the ones everyone could have guessed..kings and bobcats. I mean its really the most predictable scenario. Face it..Cho even admitted it on the draftdoc we made this pick on fit not for talent. Shoulda done our homework instead they had their mind made up on kidd gilchrist before the team even worked him out

TheKingofSting · Post #1005 » by **TheKingofSting** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 4:24 am

Much better game tonight.

HornetJail · Post #1006 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Mar 2, 2013 5:27 am

I liked the aggressiveness I saw from MKG today. Unfortunately we managed 68 points against a team missing three of their best four players.

Eoghan · Post #1007 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 9:46 pm

Stats concerning MKG and his production after days of rest:

HornetJail · Post #1008 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 10:00 pm

So he plays better tired?

That makes perfect sense.

Kembastockton · Post #1009 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 11:04 pm

SWedd523 wrote:He sucks, he's just another bust in the long line of Bobcats busts and will never be anything more than a role player.

said almost everybody last year about Kemba.

STFU plz

I don't know why everyone expected this 18 year old kid, (Yes he was 18 when we drafted him. He only turned 19 a month before training camp) to come in and become a superstar right away. Why, because Lebron did it? Lebron was and is a freak of nature. Everyone else needs time to develop. Let the kid at least turn legal before you rule him a bust. You know the same age that most kids have come into the league over the years.

I admire your optimism but this team has put me through too much. Even now, the team that picks ahead of us gets rthe 19 year old 21per center, the two teams picking after us got young SGs lighting up the league already superior to Hendo. The rookie of the year picked 6th. And the teams looking dumb are the ones everyone could have guessed..kings and bobcats. I mean its really the most predictable scenario. Face it..Cho even admitted it on the draftdoc we made this pick on fit not for talent. Shoulda done our homework instead they had their mind made up on kidd gilchrist before the team even worked him out

Those kids are not superior to Hendo. Do keep in mind that those two kids are their teams second options while Hendo is third or fourth depending on whether or not Gordon or Sessions is on the floor. They may better shooters, but that is it. Neither is a better rebounder or defender. They are not even that much better shooters.

KembaWalker · Post #1010 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 11:37 pm

fun fact: if you look at top 3 picks that played in the league as teenagers in the last decade the only 3 that didn't average double digit scoring: MKG, Marvin Williams, Darko Milicic. if you subtract those 3 the average rookie year ppg of teenagers picked in the top 3: 17ppg (Irving, Durant, Dwight, LeBron, Carmelo, Davis, Beal)

fun fact: in his 50 minutes total minutes this season of clutch time play (game within 5pts with 5 min left) he has only attempted 6 shots. not made, ATTEMPTED. he doesn't want to be star.

fun fact: he played the whole 4th quarter last night matched up 1 on 1 with Jimmer Fredette and scored once on a foul. he scored one other bucket on a wide open rebound fumble iirc. He constantly passed away from the Jimmer matchup. I dunno about you but I was really embarrassed for him last night. A number 2 overall 6'7 wing player thats afraid to iso up the Jimmer or post up Isaiah Thomas? jesus...

Liver_Pooty · Post #1011 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 11:48 pm

KembaWalker wrote:fun fact: if you look at top 3 picks that played in the league as teenagers in the last decade the only 3 that didn't average double digit scoring: MKG, Marvin Williams, Darko Milicic. if you subtract those 3 the average rookie year ppg of teenagers picked in the top 3: 17ppg (Irving, Durant, Dwight, LeBron, Carmelo, Davis, Beal)

fun fact: in his 50 minutes total minutes this season of clutch time play (game within 5pts with 5 min left) he has only attempted 6 shots. not made, ATTEMPTED. he doesn't want to be star.

fun fact: he played the whole 4th quarter last night matched up 1 on 1 with Jimmer Fredette and scored once on a foul. he scored one other bucket on a wide open rebound fumble iirc. He constantly passed away from the Jimmer matchup. I dunno about you but I was really embarrassed for him last night. A number 2 overall 6'7 wing player thats afraid to iso up the Jimmer or post up Isaiah Thomas? jesus...

Okay.

KembaWalker · Post #1012 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Mar 4, 2013 11:56 pm

just saying that you guys have extremely low expectations for a 2nd overall pick given how 2nd overall picks his age have historically performed. Being 19 is not really an excuse no matter how much you guys like to pretend it is

SWedd523 · Post #1013 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 12:07 am

Some people might not realize this but MKG wasn't drafted to be a scorer. Believe it or not, players are drafted for many different reasons. Every draft doesn't (read CAN'T) produce Type A players. Every team needs guys who are supporting guys. It's not sexy, but it's necessary.

MKG is the guy who will do everything "else". He's the type of guy who is going to look better when he has talent surrounding him. I saw enough from him when he was fresh and healthy in the first couple of months to know he's going to be just fine.

I'll repeat my favorite little "fun fact". He's still one of only two teenagers to have multiple 25/12 games.

For him to be such a bust, it makes you wonder why other guys (not named LeBron) haven't been able to match that feat.

KembaWalker · Post #1014 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 12:16 am

Yeah and Brandon Jennings broke Kareem Abdul Jabbars record for highest scoring rookie. This things require more than a 2 game sample to judge

HornetJail · Post #1015 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 12:29 am

The arbitrary number stuff needs to go away, but you have to look at what he did before the New Year. He played terrific, pretty consistent basketball until the losing started to pile up. For someone as competitive as MKG, that kind of losing has to take its toll. I definitely think a few wins would help him bounce back. Only problem is we need him to play well if we expect to win. I think everyone is just looking ahead to the draft already. They've given up on the season, just like last year.

I'm probably reading into this too much though. The dude is 19 and was expected to be kind of raw coming in. I think the first 20 or so games that he played really well in gave us false hope that he was going to be an immediate star, and once he hit the rookie wall 75% of the people here threw up their hands and gave up on him.

SWedd523 · Post #1016 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 12:44 am

KembaWalker wrote:Yeah and Brandon Jennings broke Kareem Abdul Jabbars record for highest scoring rookie. This things require more than a 2 game sample to judge

If it's so easy, why haven't other guys done it?

JMAC3 · Post #1017 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 1:20 am

I don't understand what everyone who complains about him under performing wants....

Do you want everyone to say that he sucks and we shouldn't of picked him?

Do you want us to go back and time and pick Beal or Drummond?

Do you want to trade him for a mediocre player? Like kings did with Robinson.

which one of these answers are you guys wanting? Each player is different. He prolly came to the draft too early, but that doesn't mean he won't develop into a better player. We all knew his jumpshot was gonna be below average and he needed some time to get his body NBA ready.

I think you have to look at the positives that he has shown us so far. When given minutes he has proven he will grab rebounds. He is a much better shot blocker then I thought he would be and he has shown he can finish in transition better then any other rookie. he attacks the basket and has been able to draw fouls and has been good from the free throw line. He could still very easily end up being the best player from this draft class, but it may take 2 or 3 years.

for all the MKG and Biz haters out there, you guys should prolly just avoid us drafting Noel because he won't be filling up boxscores anytime soon between the injury and his anemic offensive talents.

KembaWalker · Post #1018 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 1:46 am

SWedd523 wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Yeah and Brandon Jennings broke Kareem Abdul Jabbars record for highest scoring rookie. This things require more than a 2 game sample to judge

If it's so easy, why haven't other guys done it?

I didn't say it was easy I said it was a rather arbitrary method of measuring a rookies level of play as opposed to their overall season performance

misterglover · Post #1019 » by **misterglover** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 3:26 am

SWedd523 wrote:Some people might not realize this but MKG wasn't drafted to be a scorer. Believe it or not, players are drafted for many different reasons. Every draft doesn't (read CAN'T) produce Type A players. Every team needs guys who are supporting guys. It's not sexy, but it's necessary.

MKG is the guy who will do everything "else". He's the type of guy who is going to look better when he has talent surrounding him.

This is honestly my problem with him, and its not so much him. What u described there is a role player and I think the kid was drafted on a team that doesn't need a role player. Top 3 picks are not guaranteed thanks to the lottery and if you have one I think you need to knock it out the park, especially when you only had 7 wins and basically no talent on your team. This team was horrible and couldn't score last year and we have no star players yet with our #2 pick we chose a guy who isn't a scorer and would be best suited on a team where he could play a role. I didn't and dont like the MKG pick but it has more to do with his fit on this team than him. I was a huuuge Crash fan and like the intangibles MKG brings but on this team your not gonna convince me he was the best pick.

Eoghan · Post #1020 » by **Eoghan** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 4:24 am

JMAC3 wrote:I don't understand what everyone who complains about him under performing wants....

Do you want us to go back and time and pick Beal or Drummond?

Wait, is that an option? Did Kris Humphries' entourage get that time machine working yet?

Dope.