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My feelings on the team and offseson plan. 

Post#1 » by GSR121 » Tue Mar 5, 2013 8:33 am

I figure everyone else is doing it so, like a lemming, off the cliff I go! I have worked at the Palace for 17 years now. I have seen this team at there best (championship years) and worst (teal era, or so I thought :( ). This has been the absolute worst season EVER in my opinion. Just plain bad basketball, no effort, little talent and no chemistry on the court all season. While I see some improvement some places this team is catastrophically flawed and like a burned out building, needs to be tore down. I have been hearing of locke room issues between the "old guard" and the new players (main reason for the Prince trade). Some of the vets. no longer care and are just going through the motions. The young guys are not down with that and are starting to be more vocal about it (good!). Not all the vets are in on this but those who are are influential ( Maxciell, Stuckey, Jerebko, and Prince was the worst of the group bu now gone), CV, Calderon, and Maggette are the vets that have been positive voices, but again, the three of them are not the most influential group. This team is currently made up of mostly "roster filler" type guys, only Knight, Monroe, Drummond, and maybe Singler, Slava or Calderon can be considered "real assets" the rest of the players are fairly easy to replace. Lets face it Chuck Daly, John Wooden, And Phil Jackson could not team up and coach this team to the playoffs! We have no Jump shooters, too many slasher type guys ( Stuckey, Magette, Bunym.) few good rebounders (Moose, Drummond), too many ball hogs( Stuckey, Bynum, Magette), and allot of "Hustle/energy" guys (Jerebko, Maxciell, Singler). That is not a successful combination in my opinion.

That brings me to my offseason plan. I would start by letting all the expiring contracts walk , except for Calderon who I'd offer 2yrs at 8mil per to be our starting PG. I think Calderon would be a good mentor for Knight, and I think Knight will learn more playing at the same time as him than he would by watching him or in practice. I foresee Calderon starting allot the first year and slowly making way for Knight in year two. In two years, we should know if Knight is ever going to be a starting PG and cam make a better decision then. I would attempt to trade Stuckey for ANYTHING resembling an asset up until the last day he can be bought out and then buy him out if nothing is offered. I believe he has become a problem and needs to go one way or the other! I am not sure what to do about Jerebko, I would trade him if I could, but I am not sure he could not be brought back inline with the right group. I would keep CV for three reasons. 1) We have to spend 90% of the cap as per the new CBA, And he helps with that because of the length of his contract and the amount. IF we cut him, we will have to sign someone else to use that cap space and probably have to sign that player to a longer contract. Unless that guy is a major upgrade (at similar cost) or a young player, I don't see the point. 2) CV is the type of player (stretch 4) that should pair well when either Drummond or Moose go to the bench. I think his skill set gives the other team a different look when paired with the other two and frees up space down low for the other bigs to work. 3) He has not been a Locker room problem and his expiring contract is an asset next year as either in a trade or as raw cap space next offseason (better FA's).

The last thing that needs to be done is is deciding on how, or IF to use this years cap space. This free agent class is not the best. I would hate for us to make the same bad decision we did last time. That would be to use the cap space to sign players to big deals just to get a little better in the short term, or sign players because we feel we "have to". As painful as this season has been I would rather go through another rough one next year than see us sign a couple of veteran players that make us just good enough to be mediocre for the next 3-4 seasons. This is what the whole "teal era" was all about, making the playoffs and getting bounced in the first round and getting a 15-20 range draft pick and staying that way for years. In that situation there is very little chance of improving past that level. I would go for young guys in this free agency period that can have an impact My List (In order of preference):

Earl Clark (Lal)
Chase Bundinger (Min)
Al-Farouq Aminu (Nol)
JJ Hickson (Por)
Nicola Pekovic (Min)
Cory Brewer (Den)
Allen Anderson (Tor)
Dorell Wright (Phi)
Lavoy Allen (Phi)

Not all those names are sexy, but I think all can help this team. Some are not very realistic (Pekovic, Aminu) but I think those are the ones most worth going for. If we don't get them, I would wait to see who gets amnestied and what trades are available for raw cap space. If nothing develops, I would sign enough players to one year contracts to fill the roster (and mandatory cap space according to the CBA) and wait a year. I know that would suck to watch but next year we could be MAJOR players in free agency with a class of players that is light years away from this years. The expiring contracts we have next season( CV, and Stuckey if we keep him) along with what ever cap space we can save, could turn into great trade fodder. I just fear us signing Iguodala or Josh smith, and becoming a "decent" team but not a good one. I would rather wait till the next seasons free agent crop and do it right.
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Post#2 » by Warspite » Tue Mar 5, 2013 11:05 am

1. We have no cap space in 2014. Its this offseason or never. The window is now. Monroes cap hold in 2014 is huge. If you wait untill 2014 you will have to choose between FAs or Monroe.

Players will want to come to Detroit to play with Monroe and Drummond. If you let Monroe walk away the quality of players willing to come to Detroit goes down dramaticly.

You either amnesty CV and use the cap space to sign a good player or you keep him and replace him with a min salary/2nd rd pick in 2014 and use that savings to stay under the lux tax.

Amnesty CV 2013: Sign Brewer
Let CV expire in 2014: replace him with Will Sheehey in the 2nd rd.
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Post#3 » by Piston Pete » Tue Mar 5, 2013 12:33 pm

To be fair, we could have cap space in 2014.

1) If we save some cap space from this offseason and carry it over...
2) Stuckey expires
3) CV expires
4) We could always pull another "Dumars" and give Jerebko away for a scrub expiring-to-be
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Post#4 » by vege » Tue Mar 5, 2013 2:34 pm

Good post GSR121.

I don't understand why you listed Aminu as not being realistic, he will be an UFA since his current team declined their team option.

I also don't see the point of not using the cap space this offseason since we paid a steep price to acquire this cap space ( a lightly protected first to dump BG's contract)
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Post#5 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Mar 5, 2013 3:55 pm

I would take a chance on Earl Clark. He is on a $1.5 mil contract now, so I doubt he gets a substantial raise, but somewhere just south of the MLE. When he was in Orlando, he played backup to Dwight at Center for spot minutes as he is quite strong and even played SF too. He is a versatile backup who plays very good defense and would be an upgrade over Max.

I wouldn't want to touch Hickson because he is going to command too much and I don't think he is good enough to make over the MLE. He could be the next CV.

Chase would be nice but not sure what he is asking. Not that big of a fan tho.

Aminu only if he is cheap.

Pekovic. Not sure where he would play as this dude is a quality starter.

Brewer, would be nice, but not sure if he is starters material if Stuck is moved. But, would be a cheap backup.

Allen Anderson is a great cheap backup!

Dorell would be no better than Singler.

Lavoy would make for a nice backup if obtained cheap.
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Post#6 » by ChipButty » Tue Mar 5, 2013 4:22 pm

GSR121 wrote: I just fear us signing Iguodala or Josh smith, and becoming a "decent" team but not a good one. I would rather wait till the next seasons free agent crop and do it right.


Who do you think are better options in 13/14?

Iggy and Smith are borderline all-star players that have performed consistently year after year, regardless of who is the coach or whether it's a contract year. Smith is a year younger than Lebron and Iggy is 2 years younger than Wade. I don't see any comparison to the BG/CV signings. I'd try and sign them both and I think doing so would instantly make us a good team that plays great D. You have to become good, before you can become great. We'd be relying on the development of Drummond, Moose, Knight to make us great.
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Post#7 » by theBigLip » Tue Mar 5, 2013 4:32 pm

Nice post GSR.

Spend on Iggy and/or Mayo. Both >>>>>> CV/BG.
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Post#8 » by ComboGuardCity » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:51 pm

Good post. I do agree with most of your post. I just disagree with bringing Calderon back as our starting PG. We need to forge an identity and I think true to the Piston spirit it has to be defense. Calderon just takes away from that. You cannot mask perimeter players on defense. I also don't think he would come back for that kind of money regardless. In addition, the non-superstar free agents are the guys we have to go after. Iguodala/Mayo would do wonders for this team. The 2014 class is not much better. We're not getting Wade, Lebron or Kobe. Mayo/Iguodala > Granger, Deng, Rush.

Nice to see CV being a positive influence though. Jonas being on the other side is disappointing. Dude went from hustle guy to diva.
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Post#9 » by Spider156 » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:53 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Good post. I do agree with most of your post. I just disagree with bringing Calderon back as our starting PG. We need to forge an identity and I think true to the Piston spirit it has to be defense. Calderon just takes away from that. You cannot mask perimeter players on defense. I also don't think he would come back for that kind of money regardless. In addition, the non-superstar free agents are the guys we have to go after. Iguodala/Mayo would do wonders for this team. The 2014 class is not much better. We're not getting Wade, Lebron or Kobe. Mayo/Iguodala > Granger, Deng, Rush.

Nice to see CV being a positive influence though. Jonas being on the other side is disappointing. Dude went from hustle guy to diva.

I think CV cares more about money and Jonas cares more about minutes.
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Post#10 » by princeofpalace » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:57 pm

Spider156 wrote:I think CV cares more about money and Jonas cares more about minutes.


Jonas has been sulking on the bench since his demotion. He's not a professional.
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Post#11 » by theBigLip » Tue Mar 5, 2013 9:35 pm

Spider156 wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:Good post. I do agree with most of your post. I just disagree with bringing Calderon back as our starting PG. We need to forge an identity and I think true to the Piston spirit it has to be defense. Calderon just takes away from that. You cannot mask perimeter players on defense. I also don't think he would come back for that kind of money regardless. In addition, the non-superstar free agents are the guys we have to go after. Iguodala/Mayo would do wonders for this team. The 2014 class is not much better. We're not getting Wade, Lebron or Kobe. Mayo/Iguodala > Granger, Deng, Rush.

Nice to see CV being a positive influence though. Jonas being on the other side is disappointing. Dude went from hustle guy to diva.

I think CV cares more about money and Jonas cares more about minutes.


That is probably true, but that's fine - at least it improves his trade value.
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Post#12 » by Drummond4Prez » Tue Mar 5, 2013 11:03 pm

sign and trade stuckey for mayo???? :D
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Post#13 » by piston1423 » Wed Mar 6, 2013 4:18 am

I disagree this has been the worst season infact we were having a decent season and were making a playoff push before Drummond went down and we traded Prince. I really wish we could somehow trade Stuckey for Affalo and sign Iggy. OJ Mayo I'm not 100% sold on honestly.
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Post#14 » by GSR121 » Wed Mar 6, 2013 4:41 am

Thanks for the comments! To respond to some of the comments, I am not so sure Iguodala will opt out, and if he dose I think he will go to a contender not a rebuilding team. He went though that in Philly and I don't see him looking to be in that situation again. I also think josh Smith is going to get a HUGE offer from someone. I do not feel he is a max contract guy but he is going to get that kind of money. His best position is PF and we would be looking to play him a SF I don't think he is a good fit here especially at that kind of money. As for resigning Calderon I don't see a better PG option out there and I don't think Knight is ready yet.

From what I am hearing CV is less concerned about money that with staying in Detroit. It seems he loves the area, the team, and is thinking about staying long term in the state even if he is not playing for the Pistons. I have been hearing talk of trying to get him to sign an extension instead of him opting in for the next season. How would you feel if he was resigned to a deal of 3yrs on a front loaded/declining deal starting at 7mil and ending at 5mil? I think that free agents are going to have a rude awakening this season when they see the offers that the teams are going to make. With the new CBA being so harsh to repeat tax offenders, I think the offers will be allot smaller than the players are used to. The Stars will still get the big bucks but the mid-level and role players will see a significant decrease.

I agree with the Jerebko reasoning though, I feel much of his complaining is due to lack of playing time he is getting. That being said, I don't see that changing any time in the future. We are going to get younger and better (hopefully!) players that will effect his playing time and I think it is time to move him while he has some value.

The thing I think most people forget about cap space is that it is just as valuable in trades as it is in free agency. Maybe the best use of this years space is to take that money back in trades? Possible candidates for salary dump trades in my estimation would be:

Rondo (Bos)
Granger (Ind)
Afflalao (Orl)
Ed Davis (Mem)
Ryan Anderson (Nol)
Eric Gordon (Nol)
Wilson Chandler (Den)
Derrick Williams (Min)
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Post#15 » by Piston Pete » Wed Mar 6, 2013 5:22 am

If we're extending CV, it better be a deal for around $1.5-2 million per season.
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Post#16 » by ElectricMayhem » Wed Mar 6, 2013 7:12 am

Piston Pete wrote:To be fair, we could have cap space in 2014.

1) If we save some cap space from this offseason and carry it over...
2) Stuckey expires
3) CV expires
4) We could always pull another "Dumars" and give Jerebko away for a scrub expiring-to-be


Another way to get cap space for 2014 would be to trade Maggette's expiring to Charlotte for Ben Gordon. Although we'd probably have to throw in a first round draft pick for acquiring cap space in a more desirable year. Whaddya say?
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