OT: Jets: Revis Trade Imminent

[poeman]

According to PFC...

Reports: Falcons Interested in Trade for CB Darrelle Revis
March 6th, 2013 · No Comments

According to multiple reports the Atlanta Falcons are interested in acquiring New York Jets star cornerback Darrelle Revis via trade. The Falcons of course released veteran cornerback Duntal Robinson last week.

[Jay10]

Link me or someone ban this man

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb ... -1.1280612

[ezmoney707]

That's fine. Because i'm sure the jets aren't factoring in his injury either. This is more from the fans side.

The Jets absolutely have to factor in injuries into their decision making

[Manhattan Project]

My arguement is name a Superbowl winning team where the CB was the face of the franchise. Jerry Rice was the face of the franchise for the 49ers. Matter of fact Jerry Rice was to the NFL what Michael Jordan was to the NBA at that time. And when Deion was in Dallas, Emmit Smith was the face of the Cowboys. Deion may be the GOAT for CBs but Emmit Smith and Jerry Rice were better football players.

Well then you know the answer already. It's damn hard to argue that a CB is the best player on a team. If he goes to the 49ers, is Revis considered better than Smith? Willis? Smith? Kaep? I doubt it. You can't really judge a CB like, I like to look at what they did in the playoffs and Superbowl.

Tracy Porter was huge for the Saints against the Colts, but Brees was the better player.
Ty Law was amazing in that playoffs, picked off Manning three times and shut down the Rams.
Darrel Green was awesome, was he better than Doug Williams?
You see where I'm going with this.

Bottom line is that if a CB is your best player, your in trouble. However that doesn't diminish the value of having the best CB in the league. A CB can only do so much by himself, obviously you will need an offense. A QB, RB or WR will post the gaudy stats. You put Revis on any Superbowl contending team, his talent will shine through.

[j4remi]

My arguement is name a Superbowl winning team where the CB was the face of the franchise. Jerry Rice was the face of the franchise for the 49ers. Matter of fact Jerry Rice was to the NFL what Michael Jordan was to the NBA at that time. And when Deion was in Dallas, Emmit Smith was the face of the Cowboys. Deion may be the GOAT for CBs but Emmit Smith and Jerry Rice were better football players.

Well then you know the answer already. It's damn hard to argue that a CB is the best player on a team. If he goes to the 49ers, is Revis considered better than Smith? Willis? Smith? Kaep? I doubt it. You can't really judge a CB like, I like to look at what they did in the playoffs and Superbowl.

Tracy Porter was huge for the Saints against the Colts, but Brees was the better player.
Ty Law was amazing in that playoffs, picked off Manning three times and shut down the Rams.
Darrel Green was awesome, was he better than Doug Williams?
You see where I'm going with this.

Bottom line is that if a CB is your best player, your in trouble. However that doesn't diminish the value of having the best CB in the league. A CB can only do so much by himself, obviously you will need an offense. A QB, RB or WR will post the gaudy stats. You put Revis on any Superbowl contending team, his talent will shine through.

I agree, but factor in a CB that wants to be paid like the highest paid defensive player in the league and now you're also cutting into your cap room to afford the pieces necessary to make him most useful. If we can stack picks and begin a legitimate rebuild...it just makes too much sense. Especially when you look at all of our needs. I'd actually love to get a collection of picks going into next year's draft (a pair of picks this year and pair of conditional picks next year or something like that) just so that the Jets can take their time building a new identity because in essence they're starting from scratch with a handful of overpaid players and not much else...Revis paid like a top defensive lineman would be overpaid as imo.

[Manhattan Project]

I agree, but factor in a CB that wants to be paid like the highest paid defensive player in the league and now you're also cutting into your cap room to afford the pieces necessary to make him most useful. If we can stack picks and begin a legitimate rebuild...it just makes too much sense. Especially when you look at all of our needs. I'd actually love to get a collection of picks going into next year's draft (a pair of picks this year and pair of conditional picks next year or something like that) just so that the Jets can take their time building a new identity because in essence they're starting from scratch with a handful of overpaid players and not much else...Revis paid like a top defensive lineman would be overpaid as imo.

Agree completely, if we had a different team maybe the circumstance would be different. However with this crappy team that has numerous holes and numerous overpaid players, we gotta rebuild everything. HOWEVER... should I really have confidence in that? We've never been a well run franchise and banking on a rebuild is dangerous. However this is the NFL, teams can turnaround with one good draft.

[HarthorneWingo]

According to local sports azzhole in Philly, Howard Eskin, the Eagles will be buying out CB Nnamdi Asomugha.

[j4remi]

I agree, but factor in a CB that wants to be paid like the highest paid defensive player in the league and now you're also cutting into your cap room to afford the pieces necessary to make him most useful. If we can stack picks and begin a legitimate rebuild...it just makes too much sense. Especially when you look at all of our needs. I'd actually love to get a collection of picks going into next year's draft (a pair of picks this year and pair of conditional picks next year or something like that) just so that the Jets can take their time building a new identity because in essence they're starting from scratch with a handful of overpaid players and not much else...Revis paid like a top defensive lineman would be overpaid as imo.

Agree completely, if we had a different team maybe the circumstance would be different. However with this crappy team that has numerous holes and numerous overpaid players, we gotta rebuild everything. HOWEVER... should I really have confidence in that? We've never been a well run franchise and banking on a rebuild is dangerous. However this is the NFL, teams can turnaround with one good draft.

It's worrisome but it's the best direction possible...and I do like the personnel decisions thus far. I have a feeling they'll be bringing in a new coach next year, which is the only thing that bothers me (and is another reason I'd hope for more future picks).

[I_Love_NYK]

Getting a pass rush without having to blitz everytime is more important than having the best CB in football. It's not like the Jets won a superbowl with Revis. Opposing offenses won by attacking up the middle or by simply not passing his way. Remember the 2011 Jets were 8-8 with a healthy Revis at the top of his game. The Jets need a pass rush more than a corner. And pass rushers have more value right now than a CB. Don't get me wrong you still need a CB that can cover thats why the Giants did not make the playoffs in 2012 cause Corey Webster could not cover for sh*t. But to make a CB the highest paid player on your team is not going to make a team.

The quality of CBs has been on the decline cause everyone wants to be WRs now. So Revis is definitely an asset to any team, but is it worth to make him the highest paid player on a football team. No... The NFL has a value of positions with the QB being the highest then the WR, DE and OT.

A dominant pass rush can wear out the QB, disrupt timing on routes just by hitting a QB. 2007 SB 42 Eli Manning was not the QB he was today but they won by a pass rush that can get to the QB at will.

[Oscirus]

I simply hate having one side of the field closed down. But yea, it's always great to get rid of a sure thing for a pro bowler. Especially when you have a defensive head coach.
And then to make sure you get the maximum amount you advertise that you have to get rid of him. The Jets are clowns if I was a fan of theirs I'd be livid.

[rammagen]

I agree the Jets need to rebuild but cap hell, hardly the players they cut were not performing to the pay. Note the cap as it stands now is totaled at 114,639,142 the current cap is 123 million so while they have enough money draft they need to renegotiate on David Harris 13 million dollar cap charge or Holmes 11 million dollar hit as he might not play this upcoming yr and really has little to no leverage. I think they can get to about 110 million leaving around 13 million dollars if not more so they are fine.
what is important for them is to get back either picks or inexpensive productive players in positions of need (WR, OL, RB, LB) and the upcoming draft.

[rammagen]

I simply hate having one side of the field closed down. But yea, it's always great to get rid of a sure thing for a pro bowler. Especially when you have a defensive head coach.
And then to make sure you get the maximum amount you advertise that you have to get rid of him. The Jets are clowns if I was a fan of theirs I'd be livid.

What are trying to say here or are you trying to be smart you look ill informed either way

[AllanHoustonFan]

According to local sports azzhole in Philly, Howard Eskin, the Eagles will be buying out CB Nnamdi Asomugha.

What a bust. I can't believe people actually thought he was better than Revis.

[RutgersBJJ]

This is only an issue because we have 30 million dollars of our cap towards terrible players like Sanchez, Harris, and Holmes.

He's more than worth the money he wants. A shut-down corner is more valuable than an elite pass-rusher, NOTICE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PASS-RUSHER AND PASS-RUSH.

If you could trade Revis and in return bring in picks to gather a rotation of 4 pass-rushers who all are capable and dominant, then that is another story. But 1 singular pass-rusher is not consistent, he is in-consistent and it does not guarantee a top pass-rush or a top defense. KC, Atlanta, SF, Giants, etc... all had 1 elite pass-rusher and were not near the top of the league in sacks or sacks+hits+hurries. The team's at the top STL and Denver have two rushers (Quinn/Long or Elvis/Von Miller). And even then STL had a terrible defense. A singular shut-down corner guarantees a good defense (Jets with healthy Revis being a great defense even with an offense averaging 30+ turnovers a year, Seattle this year with Sherman, and SF/ATL/Dal with Sanders). The optimal would be a combination of both (like Denver this year, Seattle this year, etc...)

We already have 1 rusher who looks to be very promising (Coples), and easily could get a 2nd with our 9th pick if Jordan or Ansah fall to us. This would be two double digit sack players making bargain salaries for the next 4 years. Trading Revis is so stupid because this defense could become even better than it was if we kept Revis and had 2 book-end rushers. We can't pay him upfront money this year, but there's no reason we can't give him an extension that kicks in for 2014 and beyond. We clear up 30 mil in cap-space just by cutting Harris, Holmes, and Sanchez. All 3 suck and we wouldn't miss them at all.

We literally are going to lose Revis because of the moron that is Tannenbaum and the idiotic contracts a "cap expert" gave to terrible players like Harris, Holmes, and the idiotic Sanchez extension.

We may not have won a SB with Revis, but we made 2 straight AFC Title games with the worst starting QB in the NFL who was a walking turnover, no consistency on offense, and only 2 great defensive players (Pouha and Revis).

He also easily deserves to be the highest paid defensive player. No other player has as much influence on the point output of his opponent besides Revis. For all the hype about JJ Watt, Houston's defense sure was mediocre against the pass even with that great pass-rusher. The best passing defenses have playmakers in the secondary (Jets 08-11, Bears, Arizona, and Seattle). Ask Giants fans how the pass-rush fared for their defense this year when Webster became washed-up and they no longer had a difference maker at corner.

Look at the opposition passing output in games Revis plays and doesn't play in and tell me he isn't the most valuable defensive player in the league. The only player with an argument over him is Sherman, but he's only had 1 great year and he isn't a factor in the running game like Revis is. He's also way more playmaker than shutdown, which is great, until you start getting burned like he did in the playoffs. The fact that a team with Sanchez at QB turning the ball over 30 times every year can go 9-7, 11-5, and 8-8 is a testament to Revis and the defense.


So in closing I expect the moron that is Woody Johnson to trade Revis for a 3rd round pick. If he goes to SF, and they use their first round pick to et another pass-rusher to pair with Smith, you will watch the greatest defense assembled since 09 Jets and 01 Baltimore. Like when the moron Raiders traded Randy Moss for a 4th round pick and you watched New England's offensive explosion.

[Oscirus]

I simply hate having one side of the field closed down. But yea, it's always great to get rid of a sure thing for a pro bowler. Especially when you have a defensive head coach.
And then to make sure you get the maximum amount you advertise that you have to get rid of him. The Jets are clowns if I was a fan of theirs I'd be livid.

What are trying to say here or are you trying to be smart you look ill informed either way

I'm sorry, which part did you not understand?
Revis shuts down one side of the field
Ryan is a head coach known for his defense.
Advertising that you want to get rid of a player lowers his value.
Which one of those facts am I wrong about?