Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edition)

trebone · Post #481 » by **trebone** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:06 pm

Im not that high on Mac, with where we are I would rather have Noel/Smart players who wont help as much next year but need a season of NBA ball to make the next leap in their games. Also allows us to have a top 3 pick next year as well and then the big push for playoffs during the 2014-15 season where we will have a ton of capspace and rookie contracts with a ton of value.

We could have this going into the 2014-15 season plus the addition of either a Wiggins/Parker and Smart/Noel plus a big time FA out of the 2014 class

Meer/
AA/DQJ
Moe/Harris
Nick/Harris
Vucci/KOQ

BadMofoPimp · Post #482 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:15 pm

Take the for sure player that can help the Magic instead of high risk players like Noel or Smart which could keep the Magic near the bottom for yeeeaaarrrrssss.

G-Heel · Post #483 » by **G-Heel** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:37 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Take the for sure player that can help the Magic instead of high risk players like Noel or Smart which could keep the Magic near the bottom for yeeeaaarrrrssss.

Who's the for sure players?

trebone · Post #484 » by **trebone** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:40 pm

G-Heel wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Take the for sure player that can help the Magic instead of high risk players like Noel or Smart which could keep the Magic near the bottom for yeeeaaarrrrssss.

Who's the for sure players?

trebone · Post #485 » by **trebone** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:41 pm

I would rather take a high risk high reward player than someone who projects to be middling 6th man material especially as we are looking to pick top 3 next season.

blue and white · Post #486 » by **blue and white** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:43 pm

G-Heel wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Take the for sure player that can help the Magic instead of high risk players like Noel or Smart which could keep the Magic near the bottom for yeeeaaarrrrssss.

Who's the for sure players?

basicly any senior who is close to maxing out but id consider noel a sure thing since you know he will at least be a elite shot blocker in the league

BadMofoPimp · Post #487 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:46 pm

trebone wrote:I would rather take a high risk high reward player than someone who projects to be middling 6th man material especially as we are looking to pick top 3 next season.

So, you think McLemore or Shabbazz are 6th man material and Harkless or Harris (Mid Round Picks) are not?

Give me a freaking break.

If anything, Noel has backup material all over. He is about to not play basketball for 18 months and that may just kill his development both physically and mentally. He has Haddadi written all over him. No offensive skills and about to lose his lift. Run fast, run really fast.

As for Smart, I am sick of combo guards as we can see what a pass first PG can do on good teams. Combo guard will make the Magic stuck in mediocrity. Combo guards usually end up in JJ or Moore type roles playing behind the PG and SG or SF. At least McLemore and Shabbaz are legit starters in the NBA.

tiderulz · Post #488 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:56 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
trebone wrote:I would rather take a high risk high reward player than someone who projects to be middling 6th man material especially as we are looking to pick top 3 next season.

So, you think McLemore or Shabbazz are 6th man material and Harkless or Harris (Mid Round Picks) are not?

Give me a freaking break.

If anything, Noel has backup material all over. He is about to not play basketball for 18 months and that may just kill his development both physically and mentally. He has Haddadi written all over him. No offensive skills and about to lose his lift. Run fast, run really fast.

As for Smart, I am sick of combo guards as we can see what a pass first PG can do on good teams. Combo guard will make the Magic stuck in mediocrity. Combo guards usually end up in JJ or Moore type roles playing behind the PG and SG or SF. At least McLemore and Shabbaz are legit starters in the NBA.

what is a combo guard? Billups? Rose? Westbrook? Parker? none of them are pass first PG's.

BadMofoPimp · Post #489 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 4:00 pm

tiderulz wrote:
what is a combo guard? Billups? Rose? Westbrook? Parker? none of them are pass first PG's.

I am not against drafting Smart because I like his defensive capabilities, but he doesn't show the handles and court vision to be a great PG. But, he could always prove me wrong.

I just really like Shabbaz and McLemore. But, I am all against having anything to do with Noel. He may end up being an NBA player, but I doubt he will be even as good as Okafor. I bet he ends up being a backup on a good team or a starter on very bad team. Reminds me too much of Kwame Brown at his age and now he is about to miss a year and a half. Thus, Kwame might be his ceiling at this point.

Post #490 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 4:39 pm

Rob doesn't usually say much in these things, but you're interested, he'll be on MDT later today.

Dante Marchitelli ‏@DanteMagic
Got a great show for you tonight on Drive Time: 1st up, GM Rob Hennigan, then @cheddahcheese7. That's at 5:30pm on @740thegame.

JBSouthpaw · Post #491 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:26 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
what is a combo guard? Billups? Rose? Westbrook? Parker? none of them are pass first PG's.

I am not against drafting Smart because I like his defensive capabilities, but he doesn't show the handles and court vision to be a great PG. But, he could always prove me wrong.

I just really like Shabbaz and McLemore. But, I am all against having anything to do with Noel. He may end up being an NBA player, but I doubt he will be even as good as Okafor. I bet he ends up being a backup on a good team or a starter on very bad team. Reminds me too much of Kwame Brown at his age and now he is about to miss a year and a half. Thus, Kwame might be his ceiling at this point.

I agree w you on Noel.
I'm not sure I'd take him over the 3 bigs after Davis in last year's draft. Drummond, Leonard and Zeller.
Patrick Young dominated him, and most everyone is as big as Young in the NBA.

trebone · Post #492 » by **trebone** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:29 pm

Bazz has some craftiness to scoring but he projects to be a poor defender in the league and Mac is more spot up shooter in the NBA than anything and you dont take that with a top 3 pick, no one stands out as cant miss but I would rather go with someone with more upside as we are looking for top pick next season. And ACL tears are not what they used to be and Noel is more Camby than Kwame and he would fit great next to Vucci, let the idea go of BBD staying hear for the long haul, it is clouding your judgment BMP.

Post #493 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:29 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
what is a combo guard? Billups? Rose? Westbrook? Parker? none of them are pass first PG's.

I am not against drafting Smart because I like his defensive capabilities, but he doesn't show the handles and court vision to be a great PG. But, he could always prove me wrong.

I just really like Shabbaz and McLemore. But, I am all against having anything to do with Noel. He may end up being an NBA player, but I doubt he will be even as good as Okafor. I bet he ends up being a backup on a good team or a starter on very bad team. Reminds me too much of Kwame Brown at his age and now he is about to miss a year and a half. Thus, Kwame might be his ceiling at this point.

I agree w you on Noel.
I'm not sure I'd take him over the 3 bigs after Davis in last year's draft. Drummond, Leonard and Zeller.
Patrick Young dominated him, and most everyone is as big as Young in the NBA.

And Pat Young is pretty limited offensively. Alex Len, who has been criticized for being too thin at the moment to be a successful center in the NBA, dropped 23 and 12 against Noel.

trebone · Post #494 » by **trebone** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:30 pm

I am actually leaning to Smart who is said to have great intangibles as a leader, great Defender at the 1 and a ton of upside.

JBSouthpaw · Post #495 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:36 pm

trebone wrote:I am actually leaning to Smart who is said to have great intangibles as a leader, great Defender at the 1 and a ton of upside.

Me too, but I haven't seen him play enough against good comp.
He'll be someone in the tourney I'll watch a lot of. Him and the SG from Indiana.

Redphilly · Post #496 » by **Redphilly** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:38 pm

Smart
Oladipo
McLemore

In that order for me.

BrianEvansfor3 · Post #497 » by **BrianEvansfor3** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:45 pm

I would take Smart or Porter, both are guys that can do a bit of everything on the offensive and defensive side.

tiderulz · Post #498 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:59 pm

trebone wrote:I am actually leaning to Smart who is said to have great intangibles as a leader, great Defender at the 1 and a ton of upside.

I wont claim to have watched all of Smarts games. But i have seen a few and listened to projections for him. Here is a scouting report on Chauncey Billups, which sounds very similar to Smart.

(scouting report on Billups)
Better in the clutch.
Great killer instinct.
Not a fancy ball handler, but a good one.
Not a fancy passer either.
Doesn’t create a ton of shots for his teammates, but spaces the floor well, a consummate floor general
Won’t get pushed around making him a handful to get around without contact
Not as apt at guarding the ball the length of the floor like some guards.
Hard for other point guards to post up.
Very good half court defender. Knows where his help is.
Can guard some shooting guards depending on the match up. Can help out on the glass.

Smart only being a freshman, there are many facets of his game, like ball handling, that he can improve one.

JBSouthpaw · Post #499 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 6:07 pm

I believe it's easier to teach offense, over defense.

Defense is more about effort, if you able to put forth effort on defense, you are probably going to put forth the effort to work on your offensive skills.

there were a ton of players who came in to the league as poor shooters and improved.

Post #500 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 6:20 pm

tiderulz wrote:
trebone wrote:I am actually leaning to Smart who is said to have great intangibles as a leader, great Defender at the 1 and a ton of upside.

I wont claim to have watched all of Smarts games. But i have seen a few and listened to projections for him. Here is a scouting report on Chauncey Billups, which sounds very similar to Smart.

(scouting report on Billups)
Better in the clutch.
Great killer instinct.
Not a fancy ball handler, but a good one.
Not a fancy passer either.
Doesn’t create a ton of shots for his teammates, but spaces the floor well, a consummate floor general
Won’t get pushed around making him a handful to get around without contact
Not as apt at guarding the ball the length of the floor like some guards.
Hard for other point guards to post up.
Very good half court defender. Knows where his help is.
Can guard some shooting guards depending on the match up. Can help out on the glass.

Smart only being a freshman, there are many facets of his game, like ball handling, that he can improve one.

Also worth noting, Billups wasn't the best shooter in college either. Shot 40% from the field, like Smart. Important thing is he showed the potential to be a good shooter.