Colin Cowherd says Wade is better than Pippen

Tenchi Ryu · Post #1 » by **Tenchi Ryu** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:33 am

Interested to hear your opinions with us being Bulls fans and all...We are talking Prime vs Prime BTW

Personally, I think Wade is definitely the better scorer, but I'm not sure if he could impact a game as much as Scottie could. I think it comes down to matchups and pretty much what you need.

Wade can get you 25-30 points, some great defense and some good penetration. Somewhat of a Jordan lite while lacking the jumper.

Scottie on the other can can get you 20-25 points, 10 rebounds, can facilitate a little and defend the soul out of your body.....Basically a Lebron lite

So, what do you take in general? And to make it even relate to us.....

Do you take Wade on this Bulls team or Scottie? Note you can replace Deng with Scottie if you want.

Post #2 » by **Ben** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:36 am

Of course prime Wade was better than prime Scottie. Prime Wade was about as good as anyone. 30/ 7.5/ 5... I mean come on now. What's the controversy here? Does anything think that Wade is not a top-50 all-timer?

LobosJordan · Post #3 » by **LobosJordan** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:37 am

Different skill sets different positions. I don't have a problem with the quote. It could be true, it could not. All I know is Pippen is a better defender, rebounder, 3 point shooter. But Wade in his prime was a hell of a player also. I would lean toward Pippen.

Keller61 · Post #4 » by **Keller61** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:38 am

For this Bulls team I would probably take Wade because we are severly lacking in scoring. In most cases, though, I would take Pippen for his defense.

patryk7754 · Post #5 » by **patryk7754** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:38 am

Ben wrote:Of course prime Wade was better than prime Scottie. Prime Wade was about as good as anyone. 30/ 7.5/ 5... I mean come on now. What's the controversy here? Does anything think that Wade is not a top-50 all-timer?

Prime Wade was the best two way player by a long shot and is still top 5 in that category. And he actually locked Kobe down

Jvaughn · Post #6 » by **Jvaughn** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:39 am

I don't see the problem. Like Ben said, prime Wade was a beast. There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone ranking Wade higher than Pip.

jc23 · Post #7 » by **jc23** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:39 am

colin cowherds opinion means nothing to me. he doent know nba basketball.

LobosJordan · Post #8 » by **LobosJordan** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:40 am

jc23 wrote:colin cowherds opinion means nothing to me. he doent know nba basketball.

He's a Knick fan, what do you expect

Post #9 » by **Rerisen** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:40 am

I don't know about current Wade, but prime Wade? Yeah, he was a better #1 option.

Scottie is a better #2, as his success with MJ shows, and the Heatles failures to match the level of dominance as those Bulls teams, despite proclamations about them topping 70 wins and such.

Post #10 » by **Ben** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:40 am

The one caveat is that Wade has played after the change in hand check rules, so he's gotten very different calls and has gone to the line much more than he would have done in the mid 90s. So, taking into account that they played under different rules, the difference might not be so great. For this current Bulls team, it's hard to say what the Rose/Wade fit would be and whether they would play off each others' strengths optimally or instead overlap.

Tenchi Ryu · Post #11 » by **Tenchi Ryu** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:43 am

Jvaughn wrote:I don't see the problem. Like Ben said, prime Wade was a beast. There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone ranking Wade higher than Pip.

Wasn't really suggesting a problem, just wanted to hear the opinions of us Bulls fans, and specifically, which would you take for our current team. Wade could give us scoring, but Pippen could really put the clamps on all the Star SFs in the league.

LCMJ · Post #12 » by **LCMJ** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:46 am

Wade only had a few great seasons and is always hurt. Scottie was way more consistent.

League Circles · Post #13 » by **League Circles** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:48 am

I'm a huge Colin fan but he's not very knowledgeable about basketball at all. Also, I think he knows saying stuff that pisses off Chicago fans gets a lot of attention.

All that said, I think he's probably right. I think Pippen was an amazing defender - as good as any non C of all time all around. But I always thought he was overrated offensively. He was very good, but Wade is just such a more talented scorer. And Wade also has had such a great all around game. It's not like Wade wasn't the best perimeter player on a title team, arguably the best player.

But Colin may not realize that this just strengthens the argument that Jordan was clearly better than Lebron. I always thought the dynasty Bulls roster was way overrated. They were so thin. All 6 title teams had only 3-4 good players each. Most of the rotation players would get DNPs on most other great teams. I mean, I kid you not, I think it could be argued that Rose has a better cast around him Jordan had. I mean the 2nd and 3rd best guys for MJ were better, but the 4th-13th guys for Rose are probably better IMO.

League Circles · Post #14 » by **League Circles** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:50 am

LobosJordan wrote:
jc23 wrote:colin cowherds opinion means nothing to me. he doent know nba basketball.

He's a Knick fan, what do you expect

Colin absolutely is not a Knicks fan. He's an admitted fan of whoever the best is, so Miami now, Lakers when they were good, etc.

LobosJordan · Post #15 » by **LobosJordan** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:52 am

Gar Paxdorf wrote:
LobosJordan wrote:
jc23 wrote:colin cowherds opinion means nothing to me. he doent know nba basketball.

He's a Knick fan, what do you expect

Colin absolutely is not a Knicks fan. He's an admitted fan of whoever the best is, so Miami now, Lakers when they were good, etc.

That's even worse

LobosJordan · Post #16 » by **LobosJordan** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:54 am

Gar Paxdorf wrote: I mean, I kid you not, I think it could be argued that Rose has a better cast around him Jordan had. I mean the 2nd and 3rd best guys for MJ were better, but the 4th-13th guys for Rose are probably better IMO.

Too good to pass up as a sig

BullChit · Post #17 » by **BullChit** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:57 am

Jimmy Butler will be better then both of them in a few years so it doesnt really matter...

League Circles · Post #18 » by **League Circles** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:57 am

Tenchi Ryu wrote:Wade can get you 25-30 points, some great defense and some good penetration. Somewhat of a Jordan lite while lacking the jumper.

Scottie on the other can can get you 20-25 points, 10 rebounds, can facilitate a little and defend the soul out of your body.....Basically a Lebron lite

Scottie was never nearly a 25 ppg guy. He scored 20 a game only 4 times in his career, with a high of 22 one year in very high minutes, and a 16 a game career average. And he never sniffed 10 boards a game.

Wade, on the other hand, is a career 25 a night guy, and every year since his rookie year he's been above Scottie's career high in ppg. Wade has also averaged more assists than Pippen.

Post #19 » by **Rerisen** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:58 am

LobosJordan wrote:
Gar Paxdorf wrote: I mean, I kid you not, I think it could be argued that Rose has a better cast around him Jordan had. I mean the 2nd and 3rd best guys for MJ were better, but the 4th-13th guys for Rose are probably better IMO.

Too good to pass up as a sig

Heh. Top three is what matter in the playoffs. At about 40 mpg, your top 3 guys are playing 50% of the team's minutes, while taking the vast bulk of the team's shots.

Also, current Bulls wish they had a 4th guy as good as Kukoc.

LobosJordan · Post #20 » by **LobosJordan** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 4:59 am

Gar Paxdorf wrote:
Tenchi Ryu wrote:Wade can get you 25-30 points, some great defense and some good penetration. Somewhat of a Jordan lite while lacking the jumper.

Scottie on the other can can get you 20-25 points, 10 rebounds, can facilitate a little and defend the soul out of your body.....Basically a Lebron lite

Scottie was never nearly a 25 ppg guy. He scored 20 a game only 4 times in his career, with a high of 22 one year in very high minutes, and a 16 a game career average. And he never sniffed 10 boards a game.

Wade, on the other hand, is a career 25 a night guy, and every year since his rookie year he's been above Scottie's career high in ppg. Wade has also averaged more assists than Pippen.

Stats don't do Scottie Pippen justice when talking about him as a player
Especially considering he was playing with the GOAT