Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[Morse Code]

So if GS thinks that Lee isn't a piece who will make them a perennial contender, why would they see Bargs, or Ross as that piece? No way they do this deal. Try posting it on the GSW board and see what they think about it.

[Dalek]

So if GS thinks that Lee isn't a piece who will make them a perennial contender, why would they see Bargs, or Ross as that piece? No way they do this deal. Try posting it on the GSW board and see what they think about it.

They wouldn't be a contender with Bargnani. It doesn't mean they don't have a cheap owner who wouldn't mind Bargs savings, plus getting a good young SG.

[Camboflage]

That one poster who threw away a proven player who progresses every year in DeMar for a chucking rookie who can't even do task of shooting a ball, let alone not jump on shooters on D. Crazy enough, entertains the idea of bringing back Jose? Holy crap, are we back peddling to fringe mediocrity? Thank god we're not GM's.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

You know what, I'm okay moving forward with an Rudy, Amir, and Jonas frontline. If BC is still here, I don't think DeMar will be dealt. So....that leaves Kyle Lowry.

What could we get for Kyle Lowry this offseason, knowing that he's up for a contract extension on a team that will be up against the luxury tax once his contract kicks in.

We would pretty much need a very good PG to make this team formidable imo. SInce I don't really see any PG out there who'll be available, we need to rely on the draft.

Would y'all trade Kyle Lowry to a team in need of a PG, for a draft pick in the upcoming draft? Like, say, to Dallas for their lotto pick, or to Utah for one of their picks?

It'll put us in position to draft Texas PG Myck Kabongo, ignoring the fact he hails from Toronto, I think he's got tremendous potential as a PG in the NBA. He's a game-changer with his speed.

[anj]

You know what, I'm okay moving forward with an Rudy, Amir, and Jonas frontline. If BC is still here, I don't think DeMar will be dealt. So....that leaves Kyle Lowry.

What could we get for Kyle Lowry this offseason, knowing that he's up for a contract extension on a team that will be up against the luxury tax once his contract kicks in.

We would pretty much need a very good PG to make this team formidable imo. SInce I don't really see any PG out there who'll be available, we need to rely on the draft.

Would y'all trade Kyle Lowry to a team in need of a PG, for a draft pick in the upcoming draft? Like, say, to Dallas for their lotto pick, or to Utah for one of their picks?

It'll put us in position to draft Texas PG Myck Kabongo, ignoring the fact he hails from Toronto, I think he's got tremendous potential as a PG in the NBA. He's a game-changer with his speed.

I think it's safe to assume that any rookie we add will just be an auxiliary player, not a key piece (i.e. starting point guard). I just can't see DeRozan, Gay and, particularly Casey being cool with letting a rookie point guard play through his mistakes. It would result in another wasted season. Kabongo, as much as I want him to do well, is not Lillard.

Any key player we do add will likely be in the 23- to 28-year-old age range to keep the roster consistent. It just seems to be the route that the team's going.

[Purple+Black]

Blazers as they're assembled now are looking like a treadmill 9th-10th team in the west & I love the fit for our team.

DeRozan/Terrence Ross (take your pick) + Amir Johnson + Unprotected 2014 First + 2014 Second + Expiring For Aldridge.

Why for blazers?

2013:
Lillard
DeRozan
Batum
Hickson/Johnson
Leonard

Thats already a solid back court, Blazers tank 2013, secure a high 2014 pick. Heck, they even have a chance at landing Wiggins, and drafting a big with the t.dot pick, and trading Batum/DeRozan for another high potential pf.

2014:
Lillard
DeRozan
Batum
Randle
Leonard
+ Raptors Unprotected 2014 Pick

Looks like a very formidable team to me with a very high ceiling.


Why for raps?

Kyle Lowry/Telfair
Terrence Ross/Anderson
Rudy Gay/Fields
Lamarcus Aldridge/Bargnani
Jonas Valanciunas/Bargnani/Gray

Pushes them into the playoffs, and they remain fairly young, most key players in their prime once Miami is broken up.

I think Lowry's talent is still quite redundant in the proposed trade, I like Lowry as a player, more so when he's in his niche and allowed to be the player he is. This team's needs are quite different as they stand right now.

Follow-up Deal With Dallas:

Lowry to the mavericks for 2013 late-lotto pick (12th-13th)

Raptors Draft Trey Burke, Amnesty Kleiza

Trey Burke/Telfair
Terrence Ross/MLE
Rudy Gay/Fields
Aldridge/Bargnani
Jonas Valanciunas/Bargnani/Gray

I think that team would be complete as it stands, and we maintain a great balance of younger players, mixed in with our key players nearing their prime. This team as it stands wouldn't have to be tampered with for 5+ seasons, as Aldridge & Rudy age into their 30s, Val+Ross+Burke would be 23/25/23. As Rudy & Aldridge go into 33-35 territory, our younger players near their prime.

[Spacing]

I like the idea but it doesn't bode well that Andrea is still on the team.

Nothing against Bargnani but he doesn't fit our model because our coach/GM have a biased opinion towards him.

I really think it is best for both sides if Bargs is traded or I would like to BC/DC fired and see how Bargs plays under a real coach (SVG?)

[OAKLEY_2]

Did you say trade Amir?

Sorry he's near untouchable for a franchise that struggles to have an identity not associated with sucking.

[Purple+Black]

Did you say trade Amir?

Sorry he's near untouchable for a franchise that struggles to have an identity not associated with sucking.

I love Amir too, but just because he's your man-crush doesn't mean we can't trade him. Especially for someone the calibre of Aldridge.

[Rapsfan07]

I think Aldridge is a waste of time given where we are as a team. We have no tradeable picks as of right now and no valuable pieces that we are willing to move. Moving picks for vets is what got us into this mess in the first place so I don't want us doing it again. We need to conserve all the youth we possibly have and acquire more if at all possible.

That said, I'd like to sign someone like Millsap or Jefferson this offseason. Jazz can't keep both and the team is lingering in that 8th seed-late lotto pick bracket. If we can just find someway to offload Bargnani if he starts playing better...ATL is poised to lose a lot of players and have a lot of capspace.

1. Bargnani to ATL for pick(s) + capspace
2. DeRozan to POR for Matthews
3. Use the Stretch Provison on Amir
4. Sign Millsap/Jefferson
5. Kleiza + Fields to WAS for Okafor (I'd settle with Nene but WAS needs to send back picks)
6. Draft Trey Burke
7. Sign Corey Brewer with MLE

Lowry/Burke
Matthews/Ross
Gay/Brewer
Millsap or Jefferson/Amir
Oak or Nene/Val

Fill out the roster

[Rapsobsessed7]

I think Aldridge is a waste of time given where we are as a team. We have no tradeable picks as of right now and no valuable pieces that we are willing to move. Moving picks for vets is what got us into this mess in the first place so I don't want us doing it again. We need to conserve all the youth we possibly have and acquire more if at all possible.

That said, I'd like to sign someone like Millsap or Jefferson this offseason. Jazz can't keep both and the team is lingering in that 8th seed-late lotto pick bracket. If we can just find someway to offload Bargnani if he starts playing better...ATL is poised to lose a lot of players and have a lot of capspace.

1. Bargnani to ATL for pick(s) + capspace
2. DeRozan to POR for Matthews
3. Use the Stretch Provison on Amir
4. Sign Millsap/Jefferson
5. Kleiza + Fields to WAS for Okafor (I'd settle with Nene but WAS needs to send back picks)
6. Draft Trey Burke
7. Sign Corey Brewer with MLE

Lowry/Burke
Matthews/Ross
Gay/Brewer
Millsap or Jefferson/Amir
Oak or Nene/Val

Fill out the roster

Still wouldn't have room to sign Millsap or Jefferson after that. Also LOL at the thought of getting cap space + picks for Bargnani

[Kreamy]

Move #1 - On Draft Night
Rudy Gay and Terrence Ross to Minnesota for Andrei Kirilenko, Alexey Shved, JJ Barea, Greg Stiemsma and MIN 2013 #1 Pick

Move #2
Kyle Lowry and Landry Fields to Utah for Marvin Williams and a UTA #1 Pick

Move #3 - Summer of 2014 if we can't get back anything of value.
Amnesty Andrea Bargnani

[Dr Positivity]

I could see us dealing Lowry this summer. Just hasn't been a great fit here & if BC somehow is extended, he'll want yet another big shake-up/throw it at the wall and hope it sticks move.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Lowry/Kleiza S&Ted for either Jennings or Millsap. Not sure what we'd do with the PG spot of it's the latter

[Marvin Martian]

Move #1 - On Draft Night
Rudy Gay and Terrence Ross to Minnesota for Andrei Kirilenko, Alexey Shved, JJ Barea, Greg Stiemsma and MIN 2013 #1 Pick

Move #2
Kyle Lowry and Landry Fields to Utah for Marvin Williams and a UTA #1 Pick

Move #3 - Summer of 2014 if we can't get back anything of value.
Amnesty Andrea Bargnani

1. MIN declines

2. UTA declines

3. BC declines

[Kreamy]

Move #1 - On Draft Night
Rudy Gay and Terrence Ross to Minnesota for Andrei Kirilenko, Alexey Shved, JJ Barea, Greg Stiemsma and MIN 2013 #1 Pick

Move #2
Kyle Lowry and Landry Fields to Utah for Marvin Williams and a UTA #1 Pick

Move #3 - Summer of 2014 if we can't get back anything of value.
Amnesty Andrea Bargnani

1. MIN declines

I don't think Minnesota declines. They're not rebuilding anymore and will be looking to make moves to entice Love to stay. A starting lineup of Rubio, Budinger, Gay, Love and Pekovic w/ Williams, Ridnour, Ross and Cunningham off the bench is pretty solid.

2. UTA declines

Why do you think so?

3. BC declines

Assuming BC is still here.

[Dr Positivity]

Damn, the more I think of it, the Lowry for Jennings is SO COLANGELO. SOOOOO COLANGELO.

Only Hammond saying no, or BC getting fired can save us from the Jennings, Derozan, Gay 35 mil a year perimeter : (

[Marvin Martian]

1. MIN declines for financial reasons IMO. Pek is RFA. Add his new deal with Gay's max deal, and Love's max deal and I'm not sure they will be under the tax next year even with a big hole at the 2 spot.


2. UTA definitely says no. They would be giving up more for Lowry than BC did. They would rather look into the draft, since they actually have good scouting departments

3. Maybe

[Rapsobsessed7]

I could see us dealing Lowry this summer. Just hasn't been a great fit here & if BC somehow is extended, he'll want yet another big shake-up/throw it at the wall and hope it sticks move.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Lowry/Kleiza S&Ted for either Jennings or Millsap. Not sure what we'd do with the PG spot of it's the latter

You see Lowry being dealt when him and Rudy are best friends. I don't.

[hillbilly hare]

I have an idea for a framework of a deal...

To TOR: Josh Smith (S&T)
To ATL: Spencer Hawes + Terrence Ross
To PHI: Andrea Bargnani

Just don't know what Philly would want to add salary wise. Maybe a brown/Gray swap?

I would want to sign a 3 point shooter off the bench at SG. Atlanta gets a C to move Horford to PF and both players fit Larry Drews jump shooting offense.

Andrea to Philly is often posted here. Is there any indication why Philly would want him? Is it the same old argument about adding a "stretch four" if the Sixers re-sign Bynum?

Getting Josh Smith is an obvious Yes. Losing Ross might hurt, but Colangelo has saddled us with Fields and Demar's extension, so we don't have much choice.

Really, getting any real NBA player for Andrea is gravy. You've set the bar tremendously high.

I'd even take a deal based around Spencer Hawes. He and Jonas could be a productive tandem for a couple years.
If there was any way to get Thad Young that would be best-case. Philly might be looking to trade his contract, but I don't really know.

Andrea (11M) + Ross (2.6M) + ?
for
Hawes (6.5) + Young (8.6)

I see that deal improving us at both C and PF, as it lets Jonas and Amir come off the bench, which I think is their best role at the moment. Fields backing up Demar is not a downgrade from Ross at the moment, though it mortgages the future.

[hillbilly hare]

Move #1 - On Draft Night
Rudy Gay and Terrence Ross to Minnesota for Andrei Kirilenko, Alexey Shved, JJ Barea, Greg Stiemsma and MIN 2013 #1 Pick

Move #2
Kyle Lowry and Landry Fields to Utah for Marvin Williams and a UTA #1 Pick

Move #3 - Summer of 2014 if we can't get back anything of value.
Amnesty Andrea Bargnani

1. MIN declines

I don't think Minnesota declines. They're not rebuilding anymore and will be looking to make moves to entice Love to stay. A starting lineup of Rubio, Budinger, Gay, Love and Pekovic w/ Williams, Ridnour, Ross and Cunningham off the bench is pretty solid.

2. UTA declines

Why do you think so?

3. BC declines

Assuming BC is still here.

Agree re. Minny. For the same reasons you posted about winning now. Minny has also been trying to upgrade the wing for years, and Rudy and Ross bring some big-time athleticism there. Love's unique 3-pt shooting for a PF makes up for Rudy's below ave. 3-pt shooting from the SF spot. Ross might actually move ahead of Budinger at the 2, but who knows re. his development in year 2.

As for us, I love Kirilenko and his overall impact on the game could be greater than Rudy's. Shved might be a solid 6th man at SG/PG. He and Barea would be our PGs if we trade Lowry. Ouch. Above all, we get a pick and cap space in 2014. Or, if Jonas turns into Noah late next season or in year 3 we can re-sign Kirilenko.

Don't know about Utah. If there's a pseudo-contender who needs a good PG, it's the Jazz. Depends on their future plans. If they keep Jefferson and try to contend next season, I can see them being all over Lowry. They cut some salary too: Lowry = 6.2M (1 year) vs. Williams (about 16M over 2 years) + the cost of their 1st round pick (about 1.5M).

No idea re. Andrea, but I do think he might fetch something. Even a non-playing vet on an expiring deal + a mid to late 1st (think Cleveland/Lakers trade when the Cavs took back Luke Walton).