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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#181 » by inquisitive » Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:08 pm

i didnt have a problem with bev playing in 4th in place of lin though don't know why mchale didn't play asik.
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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#182 » by spre8well » Thu Mar 7, 2013 7:25 pm

If Lin and Asik are sitting I don't know why Harden is on the floor.. I mean put away his terrible performance, he really isn't that much of a defender either..lol, anyways I hope Mchale keeps doing what he's doing so when the Rockets missed the playoff they can either trade Lin to a team that appreciate him or get a real coach. 8-)
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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#183 » by junot111 » Thu Mar 7, 2013 8:44 pm

Zubby wrote:I didn't just say Bev & Robinson... I said the whole 2nd unit + Parsons.
Bev, Garcia, Delfino, Rob, Parsons and I did mention Asik, in the 1st half they pulled TRob for Asik.

everyone else was straight trash, too much 1v1.

And even tho Harden was trash he still hit a big three and 6 FT's in the final minutes... he just happened to also give quite a few.

The starters came out and didnt wanna play any defense the 2nd unit did and got the lead, **** the starters. As they say McHale danced with the ones that brought him. Can't be mad about that.

So you're saying the starters were straight trash, too much 1v1, and didn't play defense. Are you sure you're not talking about JAMES HARDEN? Lin and Asik are two of the Rockets best defensive players, Asik is the only reliable rebounder on the team and with Lin in the game is the only time you have semblance of a real offense run by a real PG.

Bottom line is I've never seen any coach that knows what they're doing not put their starters(who have been playing WELL) back in the game in the 4th, when it's a CLOSE game and the reserves aren't even doing THAT outstanding by any means. It's just baffling.
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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#184 » by victorhe » Fri Mar 8, 2013 12:15 am

Mchail doesn't like Lin. Look what he said about Lin below:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... -1.1271479
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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#185 » by spre8well » Fri Mar 8, 2013 10:55 am

Linsanity always had the ability to reveal one's true colors. :lol:
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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#186 » by rocketsballin » Fri Mar 8, 2013 11:25 am

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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#187 » by Zubby » Fri Mar 8, 2013 6:32 pm

junot111 wrote:So you're saying the starters were straight trash, too much 1v1, and didn't play defense. Are you sure you're not talking about JAMES HARDEN? Lin and Asik are two of the Rockets best defensive players, Asik is the only reliable rebounder on the team and with Lin in the game is the only time you have semblance of a real offense run by a real PG.

Bottom line is I've never seen any coach that knows what they're doing not put their starters(who have been playing WELL) back in the game in the 4th, when it's a CLOSE game and the reserves aren't even doing THAT outstanding by any means. It's just baffling.

Last I checked, yes Harden was a starter.
It pretty easy to see Beverely is a better defender than Lin, Beverely is on Avery Bradley level, the way he pressures the ball is amazing.

10 shots + 3 assists = 18pts
2 shots + 7 assists = 14pts

Not a huge difference considering how much better Beverely is on defense, Lin is no slouch but Bev is on a whole other level.

I mean who the hell are Asik and Lin to get guaranteed minutes even though the game was close because of the bench? Lin/Asik aren't world beaters, Asik was playing like a bitch. Yea he rebounded well but then he would go up soft getting fouled at the waist and still missing those soft ass layups he was throwing up.

He missed so many FT it was like turnovers, and it wasn't like the team needed any rebounding help... they weren't getting killed on the boards, who the hell wants to see Asik defend Brand/Dirk anyway?


Look at any level, any team sport, if you played you've seen a coach bench starters for subs for entire quarters/halfs if the bench is performing better, or if the starters are just playing like trash. Its a motivation technique, and if the subs get you back into the game you respect them and let them finish the game. Many NBA coaches do this Popovich has done this several times.

McHale has been awesome and there isn't another coach I would rather want coaching this team he may not be the best x/o's coach but the amount of respect he commands, and as a motivator is unparalleled. How many other coaches could go through all the changes he has and still run a team above .500 two years in a row?
Youngest team in the league featuring no where near the talent level offensively as most other teams and this team leads the league in scoring!?!

gtfo with all your McHale noise
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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#188 » by spre8well » Fri Mar 8, 2013 7:54 pm

Zubby wrote:
junot111 wrote:So you're saying the starters were straight trash, too much 1v1, and didn't play defense. Are you sure you're not talking about JAMES HARDEN? Lin and Asik are two of the Rockets best defensive players, Asik is the only reliable rebounder on the team and with Lin in the game is the only time you have semblance of a real offense run by a real PG.

Bottom line is I've never seen any coach that knows what they're doing not put their starters(who have been playing WELL) back in the game in the 4th, when it's a CLOSE game and the reserves aren't even doing THAT outstanding by any means. It's just baffling.

Last I checked, yes Harden was a starter.
It pretty easy to see Beverely is a better defender than Lin, Beverely is on Avery Bradley level, the way he pressures the ball is amazing.

10 shots + 3 assists = 18pts
2 shots + 7 assists = 14pts

Not a huge difference considering how much better Beverely is on defense, Lin is no slouch but Bev is on a whole other level.

I mean who the hell are Asik and Lin to get guaranteed minutes even though the game was close because of the bench? Lin/Asik aren't world beaters, Asik was playing like a bitch. Yea he rebounded well but then he would go up soft getting fouled at the waist and still missing those soft ass layups he was throwing up.

He missed so many FT it was like turnovers, and it wasn't like the team needed any rebounding help... they weren't getting killed on the boards, who the hell wants to see Asik defend Brand/Dirk anyway?


Look at any level, any team sport, if you played you've seen a coach bench starters for subs for entire quarters/halfs if the bench is performing better, or if the starters are just playing like trash. Its a motivation technique, and if the subs get you back into the game you respect them and let them finish the game. Many NBA coaches do this Popovich has done this several times.

McHale has been awesome and there isn't another coach I would rather want coaching this team he may not be the best x/o's coach but the amount of respect he commands, and as a motivator is unparalleled. How many other coaches could go through all the changes he has and still run a team above .500 two years in a row?
Youngest team in the league featuring no where near the talent level offensively as most other teams and this team leads the league in scoring!?!

gtfo with all your McHale noise


right right.. as long as harden plays you're find with it. I can see why mchale is the perfect coach for you then. don't even bother with the reasoning because I can come up with plenty why harden should be on the bench instead based on how he performed but I won't even bother..
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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#189 » by Zubby » Fri Mar 8, 2013 8:08 pm

Where did I say I wanted Harden on the floor? I said 2nd unit + Parsons got them back in the game let them finish... I said the starters were trash, unless for some reason you think Harden is a bench player.

wtf are you complaining about McHale & Harden for anyway? aren't the Knicks supposed to be good or something?
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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#190 » by spre8well » Fri Mar 8, 2013 8:37 pm

Zubby wrote:Where did I say I wanted Harden on the floor? I said 2nd unit + Parsons got them back in the game let them finish... I said the starters were trash, unless for some reason you think Harden is a bench player.

wtf are you complaining about McHale & Harden for anyway? aren't the Knicks supposed to be good or something?



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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#191 » by TMU » Sat Mar 9, 2013 2:23 am

Zubby wrote:I mean who the hell are Asik and Lin to get guaranteed minutes even though the game was close because of the bench? Lin/Asik aren't world beaters, Asik was playing like a bitch. Yea he rebounded well but then he would go up soft getting fouled at the waist and still missing those soft ass layups he was throwing up.

He missed so many FT it was like turnovers, and it wasn't like the team needed any rebounding help... they weren't getting killed on the boards, who the hell wants to see Asik defend Brand/Dirk anyway?


The Rockets weren't getting killed off the glass because Asik grabbed 1/3 of the team's rebounds. You just don't bench the big fellow for a rookie who is still learning how to play in a system. The Dallas frontcourt has tremendous size and playing Asik down the stretch at least during Dallas possession was the right thing to do. It's kosher.
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Re: 3/6 - [Game 62] Rockets v. Mavericks 8:30 EST 

Post#192 » by junot111 » Sat Mar 9, 2013 3:10 am

Zubby wrote:
junot111 wrote:So you're saying the starters were straight trash, too much 1v1, and didn't play defense. Are you sure you're not talking about JAMES HARDEN? Lin and Asik are two of the Rockets best defensive players, Asik is the only reliable rebounder on the team and with Lin in the game is the only time you have semblance of a real offense run by a real PG.

Bottom line is I've never seen any coach that knows what they're doing not put their starters(who have been playing WELL) back in the game in the 4th, when it's a CLOSE game and the reserves aren't even doing THAT outstanding by any means. It's just baffling.

Last I checked, yes Harden was a starter.
It pretty easy to see Beverely is a better defender than Lin, Beverely is on Avery Bradley level, the way he pressures the ball is amazing.

10 shots + 3 assists = 18pts
2 shots + 7 assists = 14pts

Not a huge difference considering how much better Beverely is on defense, Lin is no slouch but Bev is on a whole other level.

I mean who the hell are Asik and Lin to get guaranteed minutes even though the game was close because of the bench? Lin/Asik aren't world beaters, Asik was playing like a bitch. Yea he rebounded well but then he would go up soft getting fouled at the waist and still missing those soft ass layups he was throwing up.

He missed so many FT it was like turnovers, and it wasn't like the team needed any rebounding help... they weren't getting killed on the boards, who the hell wants to see Asik defend Brand/Dirk anyway?


Look at any level, any team sport, if you played you've seen a coach bench starters for subs for entire quarters/halfs if the bench is performing better, or if the starters are just playing like trash. Its a motivation technique, and if the subs get you back into the game you respect them and let them finish the game. Many NBA coaches do this Popovich has done this several times.

McHale has been awesome and there isn't another coach I would rather want coaching this team he may not be the best x/o's coach but the amount of respect he commands, and as a motivator is unparalleled. How many other coaches could go through all the changes he has and still run a team above .500 two years in a row?
Youngest team in the league featuring no where near the talent level offensively as most other teams and this team leads the league in scoring!?!

gtfo with all your McHale noise

So if you realize that all your criticisms of the starting lineup apply to Harden the most out of any of the starters, then why are you so happy with McHale after he left Harden in the game when according to your criteria he was playing the worst?

And your logic is so flawed... Beverley's assists came from jump shots, including the 2 long bail out three pointers that Chandler Parsons hit... whereas Lin could have had one or two more assists added onto his stats if D-Mo caught and finished them.... So that 4 point difference could have been way larger....

get out of here with that motivation crap, have you forgotten that Lin broke out in NY only after he got cut by Houston? He got brought back on that big contract cause they "realized their mistake", and yet now he's getting the treatment of a rookie... this whole season he's been benched for no reason, is he supposed to get motivated to play well for another team again?

Don't even compare McHale to Popovich, who has accomplished way more than McHale will probably ever achieve (AS A COACH, no disrespect to him as a player). Pop reigned in Parker when he was young and inexperienced. Lin is 24 years old, it's still a young age but he's not a rookie by any means. Like I said before, no coach that knows what they're doing would make the same decision that McHale did. At least when Mike Woodson didn't play Amar'e in the 4th vs Miami, he later admitted his mistake. McHale just stands by his decision with the reason being "I thought Beverley played well". GOD FORBID your bench player plays well... to hell with your starters then?

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