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If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take?

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Who should they take?

Nerlens Noel
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21%
Ben McLemore
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23%
Shabazz Muhammad
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15%
Marcus Smart
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28%
Cody Zeller
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1%
Otto Porter
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1%
Anthony Bennett
5
4%
Other
10
7%
 
Total votes: 137

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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#241 » by drsd » Fri Mar 8, 2013 8:56 am

KingRobb02 wrote:The best answer would be to immediately trade the pick along with our TPE for someone's 2014.


I assume you are saying that Orlando should absorb a bad contract for a high 2014 pick. That is a good idea, assuming that the owner would swallow that cost. I do not see GM Hennigan doing that though, as the 2014/15 off-season has some good names, and cap-space seems to be a priority. My expectation is that the TPE would either expire or be part of trading Turkoglu and Harrington.
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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#242 » by Neon1 » Fri Mar 8, 2013 9:12 pm

drsd wrote:
KingRobb02 wrote:The best answer would be to immediately trade the pick along with our TPE for someone's 2014.


I assume you are saying that Orlando should absorb a bad contract for a high 2014 pick. That is a good idea, assuming that the owner would swallow that cost. I do not see GM Hennigan doing that though, as the 2014/15 off-season has some good names, and cap-space seems to be a priority. My expectation is that the TPE would either expire or be part of trading Turkoglu and Harrington.


Nope..he is saying exactly what you read.....wants to trade the pick and use the TPE to trade for a pie in the sky, doesnt even exist yet, future 1st round pick. That would be one of the dumbest things somebody could ever do.

"A bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush." You never know what could happen a year from now, trade a #1, #2 or #3 for a pick that doesnt even exist (or isnt even close to being determined) yet? Nah im good.
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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#243 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Mar 8, 2013 9:36 pm

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Zmill wrote:If Noel is on the board, he's ours. I guaransheed it.


I can see this team bottoming out for a decade after wasting a pick on a lame player who never lives up to what people expected him to be.

Wow such a baseless statement
Noel is the prototype new era defensive big, it's stunning people don't see this


It is funny people said the same thing about Kwame, Thabeet and Darko. And, this dude is going to sit out 18 months. It is stunning that people can't see this.
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Post#244 » by SmiteaDwight » Fri Mar 8, 2013 9:53 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Zmill wrote:If Noel is on the board, he's ours. I guaransheed it.


I can see this team bottoming out for a decade after wasting a pick on a lame player who never lives up to what people expected him to be.

Realistically, What do you think we expect of Noel? All we need him to do is come in an provide a defensive presence next to Vuc, Surely if he makes a full recovery he could do that. We start Noel and Vuc, bring Nicholson off the bench for offense. I dont think he is an all star potential, unless he becomes like defensive player of the year good, but seriously all we need him to do is come in and contest shots.
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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#245 » by OrlDave » Fri Mar 8, 2013 10:08 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:It is funny people said the same thing about Kwame, Thabeet and Darko. And, this dude is going to sit out 18 months. It is stunning that people can't see this.


I'm with you on this. The injury right during some of his most productive growth time is extremely troubling. Fortunately I have faith in Henny's group to do it's due diligence. You know... actually test and try out every potential pick (unlike Otis' group who just took stabs in the dark).

I kinda just hope we get the #3 pick. At 3 I'd be happy with McElmore, Noel or Smart and I wouldn't be second guessing if we made the right decision. (Yes I know it's stupid to think this way and it's always better to have the top pick).
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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#246 » by MoMM » Fri Mar 8, 2013 10:12 pm

I agree with BMP that Noel is too much of a risk to draft with a top 3 pick, but if we trade for a late top 10 i think we can take this kind of risk.

The good part about drafting Noel with a top 3 pick is that he wont play next season, so we would get another Top 3 pick in 2014 and we could draft Wiggins. Imagine drafting Wiggins and Noel coming back from injury and becoming a defensive force? Then we could trade Harris/Moe (because we dont need another SF) for a young PG/SG. This team would be amazing.

Harris and Moe could turn in some great prospects if they continue their development or stay in the team if Harris play at 4 and Moe at 2.
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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#247 » by Neon1 » Sat Mar 9, 2013 4:41 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
It is funny people said the same thing about Kwame, Thabeet and Darko. And, this dude is going to sit out 18 months. It is stunning that people can't see this.


No they didnt. Youre making stuff up again BMP. And 18 months? What????
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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#248 » by Neon1 » Sat Mar 9, 2013 4:53 pm

OMG WHY does everyone act like Wiggins cannot play SG (and play it effectively)? What the heck are you guys basing that off of? Have you guys seen him before? What have you seen that suggests to you he cannot play SG in the NBA? Do you think he is too slow to guard SG's?He is 6-6 (maybe 6-7) 195lbs and an athletic freak. I do not understand this at all. It is like people have never seen this guy before. He is the same type of player as Vince Carter was. His body, skillset and athleticism is the types (VC/TMac/DeRozan/etc) that means he can be put at either wing position and it really makes no difference.

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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#249 » by magicman123 » Sat Mar 9, 2013 5:06 pm

Wiggins can play SG, but i think he will be a SF in the NBA, makes the most sense
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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#250 » by Neon1 » Sat Mar 9, 2013 5:11 pm

magicman123 wrote:Wiggins can play SG, but i think he will be a SF in the NBA, makes the most sense


Most sense based on what?

I can see him being a SF in college, but NBA he is either or, and if anything he probably will start his career as prodominately SG anyways because of how weak he is. At least until his body gets enough strength and weight behind him. I just dont understand how everybody keeps pushing saying he is a SF only in the NBA with absolutely zero reasoning behind it.

Wiggins wil be a SG/SF or SF/SG only depending on where the team is currently better stacked that drafts him. Unless you cant even dribble or defend most SG's or SF's there is zero difference between the two positions.

Will somebody please at least use an explaination or some sort of reasoning on why Wiggins isnt a SG?
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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#251 » by mattyBoi » Sat Mar 9, 2013 5:40 pm

He can be a SG, Jordan was 6-6, T-Mac was 6-8. He has a shooting guards game.
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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#252 » by Def Swami » Sat Mar 9, 2013 5:49 pm

Wiggins can play 2.
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Post#253 » by Noonskadoodle » Sat Mar 9, 2013 6:12 pm

Is the 2 & 3 spot really any different?

I prefer they both be above 6'4", able to shoot, able to dribble, & able to defend.

Wiggins is all of those. So just put him on the court & let him play.

Pretty simple.
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Post#254 » by Neon1 » Sat Mar 9, 2013 6:15 pm

mattyBoi wrote:He can be a SG, Jordan was 6-6, T-Mac was 6-8. He has a shooting guards game.


Unless somebody was to believe he couldnt guard a SG, i cant even believe that this is a debate. If we were lucky enough to hit the jackpot and be in position to draft him, a player like him slides to whichever position is your weakest. Two of our three most promising prospects (and 19 & 20 years old) are at the SF/PF and SF and only Moe of the two players can at least guard SG's, So the thing that makes sense is the 6'6 1/2" 195lb Wiggins plays SG. How is this even a serious debate?

If Wiggins was to get in the NBA and show he cannot even guard SG's (very unlikely), THEN you start working on moving Harris to the bench or work on trading Harris, Harkless.

Nelson (34@PG) Moore (14@PG)
Wiggins (38@SG) Harkless (10@SG)
Harris (28@SF) Harkless (20@SF)
Noel (18@PF) Nicholson (24@PF) Harris (6@PF)
Vucevic (34@C) Noel (14@C)

Replace O'Quinn with Noel and Replace Nelson and now that is what makes sense. Offense/Defense blend and youth.
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Post#255 » by cedric76 » Sat Mar 9, 2013 9:08 pm

Yes, we will have wiggins, yess

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Post#256 » by SmiteaDwight » Sat Mar 9, 2013 9:15 pm

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mattyBoi wrote:He can be a SG, Jordan was 6-6, T-Mac was 6-8. He has a shooting guards game.


Unless somebody was to believe he couldnt guard a SG, i cant even believe that this is a debate. If we were lucky enough to hit the jackpot and be in position to draft him, a player like him slides to whichever position is your weakest. Two of our three most promising prospects (and 19 & 20 years old) are at the SF/PF and SF and only Moe of the two players can at least guard SG's, So the thing that makes sense is the 6'6 1/2" 195lb Wiggins plays SG. How is this even a serious debate?

If Wiggins was to get in the NBA and show he cannot even guard SG's (very unlikely), THEN you start working on moving Harris to the bench or work on trading Harris, Harkless.

Nelson (34@PG) Moore (14@PG)
Wiggins (38@SG) Harkless (10@SG)
Harris (28@SF) Harkless (20@SF)
Noel (18@PF) Nicholson (24@PF) Harris (6@PF)
Vucevic (34@C) Noel (14@C)

Replace O'Quinn with Noel and Replace Nelson and now that is what makes sense. Offense/Defense blend and youth.

I doubt Jameer will still be a quality starter for that long. And moore will be gone.

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Post#257 » by tranjSAIC » Sat Mar 9, 2013 11:13 pm

mattyBoi wrote:He can be a SG, Jordan was 6-6, T-Mac was 6-8. He has a shooting guards game.

It's not his size that makes you think he can't play SG, its his weak as handle. From what I hear he is a hard working kid though, so I think down the road he could develop it, but right now I see him more of a SF then a SG.
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Post#258 » by MagicStarwipe » Sat Mar 9, 2013 11:28 pm

Neon1 wrote:OMG WHY does everyone act like Wiggins cannot play SG (and play it effectively)? What the heck are you guys basing that off of? Have you guys seen him before? What have you seen that suggests to you he cannot play SG in the NBA? Do you think he is too slow to guard SG's?He is 6-6 (maybe 6-7) 195lbs and an athletic freak. I do not understand this at all. It is like people have never seen this guy before. He is the same type of player as Vince Carter was. His body, skillset and athleticism is the types (VC/TMac/DeRozan/etc) that means he can be put at either wing position and it really makes no difference.

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He looks very unimpressive in this video. Certainly doesn't look like a VC/'T-Mac type of athlete. Maybe a Harkless/Ariza type. Granted, that's just based on this video alone of a 17 year old kid. Everything else I've seen of him has just been highlight videos. I'd have to see more of him.
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Post#259 » by Noonskadoodle » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:08 am

We all HOPE we can get Wiggins, but if we miss out on him that 2014 draft has plenty of all star potential players.

After Wiggins some people think Mario Hezonja may be the next top prospect in that draft class. He can do pretty much everything on the court & is extremely confident/cocky in his game. Maybe a little too cocky at times.

From somebody familiar with his game:

Mario Hezonja to me is the most complete small forward prospect of the 3. Hezonja is a terrific slasher due to his ball-handling and first step, with the size to finish at the rim. He’s also an outstanding perimeter shooter and shot creator. Like Wiggins and Parker he has a tremendous feel for the game and IQ and craftiness creating his offense. Hezonja thus is somewhat of a middle ground between Wiggins and Parker. Wiggins is a high end athlete who needs to improve his ball-skills, while Parker is a high end skill player who may not be explosive or athletic enough in the NBA. Hezonja is both explosive and a high end skill player. To me he looks like the complete package for a perimeter offensive prospect, with the ability to attack the basket off the dribble, to hit the outside shot at an elite rate and having the natural feel and IQ to make it all work. The more I see of him, the more complete and dynamic his game and talent looks. To quote Monta Ellis, Mario Hezonja have it all.



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Re: If the Magic get a top draft pick, who should they take? 

Post#260 » by Neon1 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:07 am

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mattyBoi wrote:He can be a SG, Jordan was 6-6, T-Mac was 6-8. He has a shooting guards game.

It's not his size that makes you think he can't play SG, its his weak as handle. From what I hear he is a hard working kid though, so I think down the road he could develop it, but right now I see him more of a SF then a SG.


You think Arron Afflalo has a better handle? How about Demar DeRozan? Jason Richardson? Klay Thompson? Bradley Beal? Terrence Ross? Gerald Henderson? Rip Hamilton? Would you say these guys should cannot be SG's and have to play SF? So on, and so on. Would you say they have to play SF if they came here?

The guys handle is not bad, he is just a little loose with it still, Its not like he has a Moe Harkless type handle. He can play shooting guard just as easy as he can SF, it is the same thing. His balhandling and shooting off the dribble is perfectly well enough to not be a problem.

If he cannot guard SG's, THEN theres is an argument there. But i dont see why there would be a problem with that. The guys handle is no less developed then VC, Derozan and the other guys i listed.

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