Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[DreamTeam09]

^^ Boozer and Amir can play together, Amir's minutes will not be impacted by the arrival of any big man

[DatBoiCapspace]

I really see this happening on draft night

To TOR: Carlos Boozer + Richard Hamilton
To CHI: Andrea Bargnani + Landry Fields + 2nd Round Pick

* Hamilton waived (1 million guaranteed)

I think they will try to keep Alan Anderson despite many of us not really wanting him back lol. This means making room for him and dumping Fields. This neutralizes Boozers cap hit for 2 seasons. For Chicago

- add 700,000 next season (assuming they waive Hamilton who's owed 1 million regardless). If they keep Hamilton they save 4 million. Hamilton will likely be waived though and they will need a starting SG to fill that spot who will cost more than 700,000 they add in this deal
- add 950,000 in 2014/2015 but break Boozers contract into 2 smaller ones. I also think Fields is exactly what Thibs wants and can space the floor

Doubtful Chicago would want Fields coming their way. Plus I'm not even convinced this trade makes us better, Fields has been playing good since his return from injury and hes our only high IQ player. Once he gets his shot back he can take AA's minutes in the 4th and we can actually have a player who makes smart decisions at the end of games for once. Boozer would be a post presence for when the offense is struggling, but hes slow and wont help us in transition, and hes arguably worse then bargnani defensively. The only pluses to this trade is we move on from Andrea and maybe improve in the half court offense a bit.

If we do this trade it should be Bargs for Boozer and the CHA #1. MLSE bites the tax bullet to acquire a valuable future asset.

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I really see this happening on draft night

To TOR: Carlos Boozer + Richard Hamilton
To CHI: Andrea Bargnani + Landry Fields + 2nd Round Pick

* Hamilton waived (1 million guaranteed)

I think they will try to keep Alan Anderson despite many of us not really wanting him back lol. This means making room for him and dumping Fields. This neutralizes Boozers cap hit for 2 seasons. For Chicago

- add 700,000 next season (assuming they waive Hamilton who's owed 1 million regardless). If they keep Hamilton they save 4 million. Hamilton will likely be waived though and they will need a starting SG to fill that spot who will cost more than 700,000 they add in this deal
- add 950,000 in 2014/2015 but break Boozers contract into 2 smaller ones. I also think Fields is exactly what Thibs wants and can space the floor

Sigh, we've been through all this umpteen times. That doesn't provide Chicago with the tax relief it wants for future years, not even remotely close. The Bargnani/Boozer trade holdup was never just our tax situation going forward, it was just as much about Chicago's with the need to re-sign Deng after next season while still on the hook for Boozer's final year. Do you think they would rather let Deng walk and start Fields?

[Rapsfan07]

I wonder if there's a way to land Paul Millsap here next year.

Utah is looking for a PG...I wonder if they'd be interested in DJ Augustin. David West is a UFA this year so let's say he gets signed by another team (which is possible). Would Indiana be interested in 3 team trade that sends Augustin to the Jazz, Bargnani to the Pacers and Millsap to the Raptors? I assume we'd have to add more or something.

Anyways, this offseason I think we need to look at dealing Bargnani and DeRozan. One would be fine but I think both have to go.

I'd love a DeRozan for Matthews deal and given the directions of both teams, I think it would make sense.

[youreachiteach]

Doubtful Chicago would want Fields coming their way. Plus I'm not even convinced this trade makes us better, Fields has been playing good since his return from injury and hes our only high IQ player. Once he gets his shot back he can take AA's minutes in the 4th and we can actually have a player who makes smart decisions at the end of games for once. Boozer would be a post presence for when the offense is struggling, but hes slow and wont help us in transition, and hes arguably worse then bargnani defensively. The only pluses to this trade is we move on from Andrea and maybe improve in the half court offense a bit.

If we do this trade it should be Bargs for Boozer and the CHA #1. MLSE bites the tax bullet to acquire a valuable future asset.[/quote]



Exactly. Look, this team isn;t really going anywhere unless we try to win now...so Boozer is probably the best choice. It gets Bargs out of town, and allows JV to have a partner who knows how to win and has been well-coached. Neither JV nor Ross will be a rookie anymore, so we can expect Casey to finally take the reigns off them. In addition, and this is perhaps the best outcome, this would force TO to shed guys like Anderson, Telfair, Gray and Lucas (in order to try to afford Boozer's contract). Of all of them, I guess I'd pick Lucas since he's already under contract. I'd add Gray to the Chicago trade so the salaries match up better.

Lowry/Lucas
Demar/Ross
Gay/Fields
Boozer/(Acy)
Val/Amir

I like that team. You have a legitimate stretch big/post up option (finally) from your bigs, This means we can work from the inside out (because I think by next season Val is an option to shoot mid range shots) and really attack off of screens going towards the hoop with Gay and Demar. This allows Lowry to be more of a trigger man, while we move the defense to get better match ups for Gay and Demar.

Off the bench you have a couple of chuckers but also excellent hustle/rebounders who don't need the ball and can get extra possessions. We could use an upgrade at backup point and PF, but, It's good enough to make the playoffs. If it fails, we can dump Gay/Lowry for picks and talent next year to tank for Wiggins.

[Rapsfan07]

^^^^ I'd really rather not further burden our books and restrict our flexibility by acquiring Boozer.

[youreachiteach]

What choice do we have though. Even if we amnesty Bargs, we are not going to get Milsap or someone of that quality (unless you want Landry, who''s another undersized player who can't play d and who's numbers are assisted by pace with GS). We won't be under the cap enough to do so. So, unless you want to tank next year, trade all of assets off for picks coming up in 2014, I don't see any other available choice. I don't love Boozer either, but it's fairly short term pain.

I don't know...do you see Lowry and Gay staying to be the centerpieces of the team? If you do, then Boozer is you best choice, because he helps you win, and good players want to be on good teams. If you don't, then sure, keep bargs, let him give you your flexibility, sell off at the deadline and tank for Wiggins. But make no mistake, keeping Casey and Bargs will kill team chemistry and it's going to be a horrible year while we gamble for our pick.

I suppose you could trade Demar for a PF or Centre, but that seems unlikely to happen.

What's your long term outlook?

[Marvin Martian]

Doubtful Chicago would want Fields coming their way. Plus I'm not even convinced this trade makes us better, Fields has been playing good since his return from injury and hes our only high IQ player. Once he gets his shot back he can take AA's minutes in the 4th and we can actually have a player who makes smart decisions at the end of games for once. Boozer would be a post presence for when the offense is struggling, but hes slow and wont help us in transition, and hes arguably worse then bargnani defensively. The only pluses to this trade is we move on from Andrea and maybe improve in the half court offense a bit.

If we do this trade it should be Bargs for Boozer and the CHA #1. MLSE bites the tax bullet to acquire a valuable future asset.

Exactly. Look, this team isn;t really going anywhere unless we try to win now...so Boozer is probably the best choice. It gets Bargs out of town, and allows JV to have a partner who knows how to win and has been well-coached. Neither JV nor Ross will be a rookie anymore, so we can expect Casey to finally take the reigns off them. In addition, and this is perhaps the best outcome, this would force TO to shed guys like Anderson, Telfair, Gray and Lucas (in order to try to afford Boozer's contract). Of all of them, I guess I'd pick Lucas since he's already under contract. I'd add Gray to the Chicago trade so the salaries match up better.

Lowry/Lucas
Demar/Ross
Gay/Fields
Boozer/(Acy)
Val/Amir

I like that team. You have a legitimate stretch big/post up option (finally) from your bigs, This means we can work from the inside out (because I think by next season Val is an option to shoot mid range shots) and really attack off of screens going towards the hoop with Gay and Demar. This allows Lowry to be more of a trigger man, while we move the defense to get better match ups for Gay and Demar.

Off the bench you have a couple of chuckers but also excellent hustle/rebounders who don't need the ball and can get extra possessions. We could use an upgrade at backup point and PF, but, It's good enough to make the playoffs. If it fails, we can dump Gay/Lowry for picks and talent next year to tank for Wiggins.[/quote]

I don't know why people want Boozer starting with Gay and Derozan. It makes no sense unless he is coming off the bench and anchoring the 2nd unit because he is not better than Amir.

Inside out does not produce good offense.

Look at NYK, HOU, DEN, MIA and SAS. They have great offenses but do any of them rely on post ups to create easy baskets? No
Then you look at slow paced "inside out" offenses like CHI and MEM that are in the bottom half of offensive efficiency and anyone can see that it's is not how to build a good offense.

If we want a starting caliber PF, he needs to be able to stretch the floor and give space for the wings to attack whether it's off isos or PnRs.

[Rapsfan07]

What choice do we have though. Even if we amnesty Bargs, we are not going to get Milsap or someone of that quality (unless you want Landry, who''s another undersized player who can't play d and who's numbers are assisted by pace with GS). We won't be under the cap enough to do so. So, unless you want to tank next year, trade all of assets off for picks coming up in 2014, I don't see any other available choice. I don't love Boozer either, but it's fairly short term pain.

I don't know...do you see Lowry and Gay staying to be the centerpieces of the team? If you do, then Boozer is you best choice, because he helps you win, and good players want to be on good teams. If you don't, then sure, keep bargs, let him give you your flexibility, sell off at the deadline and tank for Wiggins. But make no mistake, keeping Casey and Bargs will kill team chemistry and it's going to be a horrible year while we gamble for our pick.

I suppose you could trade Demar for a PF or Centre, but that seems unlikely to happen.

What's your long term outlook?

All very good points. Great post.

Tbh, I'm of a double mind. I know that Gay and Lowry being the centerpieces of the team don't bring us anywhere serious. Maybe to the second round...MAYBE and that would also depend on a lot of other things as well but even that would be fine for me at this stage. My long term outlook would have been to continue to draft high and build a team like that but now with the Gay trade, the DeRozan extension and a looming extension for Lowry, it's evident management is trying to win now. And agree, tanking next year is a gamble but if there was ever a year to gamble in the draft, it's 2014. It's supposed to be a really good one and IMO a shot a real franchise talent>>>8th seed.

All that said, I would still like to acquire Millsap but given the numbers it looks unlikely at best. I would have hoped to deal Bargnani for space to a team like Atlanta or Charlotte, both of which could use his services but I don't know if those teams would do it. ATL would be my preferred spot as they have late first rounders which I would count as a good haul. Charlotte has picks too but both are in the lottery so I doubt we get our hands on those. Philly might also be an interesting landing spot for him with players headed to one of the previously mentioned teams. Who knows?

I guess what I'm trying to say is Millsap or die trying. I don't want management settling for a big like Boozer while missing out on franchise changing talent in 2014. If we don't get Millsap, I say blow it up and clear the books and just tank it out.

[youreachiteach]

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I don't know why people want Boozer starting with Gay and Derozan. It makes no sense unless he is coming off the bench and anchoring the 2nd unit because he is not better than Amir.

Inside out does not produce good offense.

Look at NYK, HOU, DEN, MIA and SAS. They have great offenses but do any of them rely on post ups to create easy baskets? No
Then you look at slow paced "inside out" offenses like CHI and MEM that are in the bottom half of offensive efficiency and anyone can see that it's is not how to build a good offense.

If we want a starting caliber PF, he needs to be able to stretch the floor and give space for the wings to attack whether it's off isos or PnRs.[/quote

The problem is:

1.) We don't have elite HOF players/coaches who play for our team
2.) We don't even have elite shooters that the swing swing offense is designed to get shots for.
3.) We don't have an offensive minded swing swing coach--we have a defensive one.
4.) Our pace is better in the mid-range because our wings are not elite dribblers
5.) We need to LIMIT possessions to win, not increase them (like GS, Knicks, and other purely offensive teams do)

So, given our outlook, I''d prefer a stretch big like Boozer who knows how to back screen and provide some space for the wings, who could no longer be shaded towards or risk giving up a layup to Boozer or val.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

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I don't know why people want Boozer starting with Gay and Derozan. It makes no sense unless he is coming off the bench and anchoring the 2nd unit because he is not better than Amir.

Inside out does not produce good offense.

Look at NYK, HOU, DEN, MIA and SAS. They have great offenses but do any of them rely on post ups to create easy baskets? No
Then you look at slow paced "inside out" offenses like CHI and MEM that are in the bottom half of offensive efficiency and anyone can see that it's is not how to build a good offense.

If we want a starting caliber PF, he needs to be able to stretch the floor and give space for the wings to attack whether it's off isos or PnRs.[/quote

The problem is:

1.) We don't have elite HOF players/coaches who play for our team
2.) We don't even have elite shooters that the swing swing offense is designed to get shots for.
3.) We don't have an offensive minded swing swing coach--we have a defensive one.
4.) Our pace is better in the mid-range because our wings are not elite dribblers
5.) We need to LIMIT possessions to win, not increase them (like GS, Knicks, and other purely offensive teams do)

So, given our outlook, I''d prefer a stretch big like Boozer who knows how to back screen and provide some space for the wings, who could no longer be shaded towards or risk giving up a layup to Boozer or val.

I think Amir Johnson is more than capable of being our starting PF moving forward, especially if we swing Rudy Gay over to PF from time-to-time in games.

As far as this team's outlook goes, I think it pretty much hinges on Kyle Lowry, and our ability to get the most out of his skillset, and that means bringing in a coach who understands his importance to this team. He's the engine that'll make this team go. If we decide he isn't worth extending, then what we do to replace him will become equally important.

I'd argue a guy like Kyle Korver, plus a marquee or up-and-coming coach will have just as big an impact on this team moving forward, than bringing in just Carlos Boozer. We need shooters, particularly if Rudy and DeMar continue to struggle from beyond the arc.

That's my take, anyway.

[Marvin Martian]

The problem is:

1.) We don't have elite HOF players/coaches who play for our team
2.) We don't even have elite shooters that the swing swing offense is designed to get shots for.
3.) We don't have an offensive minded swing swing coach--we have a defensive one.
4.) Our pace is better in the mid-range because our wings are not elite dribblers
5.) We need to LIMIT possessions to win, not increase them (like GS, Knicks, and other purely offensive teams do)

So, given our outlook, I''d prefer a stretch big like Boozer who knows how to back screen and provide some space for the wings, who could no longer be shaded towards or risk giving up a layup to Boozer or val.

1. no. But we can hire SVG and see where it goes

2. Plenty of shooters out there that can had for cheap

3. Again. Hire a better coach

4. It would be a step up from the bottom 5 pace we are operating at right now

5. No you need to play defense. Boozer's defense gets masked easily because he has a DPOY candidate Noah behind him. We would have Arron Gray and Jonas Val behind Boozer which is 100X worse on D on a team that is already bad at it. Might as well roll in the red carpet every time the opposing team runs a PnR.


I don't really care if Boozer comes into the team and kills our cap, but he must play behind Amir.

[youreachiteach]

That's easy to say and hard to do (in terms of acquiring a coach and shooters). Until they can be had, it's pissing into the wind to suggest we completely re-jig the wheel now.

Why do you think we end up with the coaches we do? Because the good ones won't come. You don't think MLSE would rather have "lap dog coaches, do you? Do you think BC would rather a good coach to improve his performance or a "yes man" ?(granting that every article I have ever read about him suggests he is a "consensus" decision maker.)

We can't get them. JVG MIGHT consider it because he's been out of coaching so long and he lives in New York, which really is an hour by plane from home. But even he isn't ideal for the kind of offense you need to run.

I want rid of Casey, too. I think his match up skills are limited and he plays into the small ball approach far too often. I think he is handcuffing some of our players from playing the kind of pace they like.

He does have some positives (he tries to be tough on the young guys in order to develop them properly and he has a no quit attitude). He is clearly behind many other coaches in the league however. Hell, Boylan over in Milwaukee kicks his ass every time we play them.

Anyhoo, until we can actually GET such a coach to implement that kind of O, it's a little superficial to just say, get a coach. And, no, there aren't ""shooters for cheap" out there. Not good ones, anyway. Do you know how much one-dimensional Korver makes? Who do you think we could get to implement such a plan?

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Anyhoo, until we can actually GET such a coach to implement that kind of O, it's a little superficial to just say, get a coach. And, no, there aren't ""shooters for cheap" out there. Not good ones, anyway. Do you know how much one-dimensional Korver makes? Who do you think we could get to implement such a plan?

I kind of like what Mike Malone is doing in Golden State with shooters like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson. He's clearly an up-and-coming coach in my eyes, and deserves a shot as a head coach. That's what we could offer him, plus his father, Brendan Malone, was the first coach of this franchise. That would have some signficance for him, I'd think.

That's the guy who I have in mind for this team. Any of the Van Gundys would be great, but....like you said, I'll believe when I see it.

As for shooters - we should have the MLE at our disposal, and looking at the FAs this coming summer, there's going to be a handful of shooters on the market: Dunleavy, Korver, Morrow, D. Wright, etc. We should be able to get one or two of them.

Our lineup, as I see it, is going to be at its best with this personnel imo:

Lowry or some other equlvalent talent at PG
Korver (for example)
DeRozan
Gay
Valanciunas or Johnson

We won't necessarily start with that personnel grouping, but that's when we're at our best imo. We just need to find a coach who can utilize these guys a bit better, while cutting out the likes of Alan Anderson. You do those two things, and we're good to go.

[youreachiteach]

I kind of like what Mike Malone is doing in Golden State with shooters like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson. He's clearly an up-and-coming coach in my eyes, and deserves a shot as a head coach. That's what we could offer him, plus his father, Brendan Malone, was the first coach of this franchise. That would have some signficance for him, I'd think.

That's the guy who I have in mind for this team. Any of the Van Gundys would be great, but....like you said, I'll believe when I see it.

As for shooters - we should have the MLE at our disposal, and looking at the FAs this coming summer, there's going to be a handful of shooters on the market: Dunleavy, Korver, Morrow, D. Wright, etc. We should be able to get one or two of them.

Our lineup, as I see it, is going to be at its best with this personnel

Lowry or some other equlvalent talent at PG
Korver (for example)
DeRozan
Gay
Valanciunas or Johnson

We won't necessarily start with that personnel grouping, but that's when we're at our best imo. We just need to find a coach who can utilize these guys a bit better, while cutting out the likes of Alan Anderson. You do those two things, and we're good to go.[/quote]

Good suggestion. I always like Brendan, and I never felt he was out-coached, we just didn't have the horses for the courses. I would LOVE Boylan if Milwaukee decides to cut him loose.

As for shooters, I wouldn't mind Dunleavy--he's what Fields is SUPPOSED to be (a facilitator who can shoot). The only problem is he can be passive and you have to bench him when he doesn't show up. He would work if we play

Val
Gay
Dunleavy
Demar
Lowry.

It's a technically "small" team, but has a lot of length. You could even run high lows with Dunleavy as the point forward for Gay. I bet he'd pass to Jonas too. Hell, even Lowry does it sometimes. Defensively, though, we'd need gay to really dig in, because there would be issues with dribble containment. Val also needs to get way better with his pick and roll coverage. I suppose we'd be doing a lot of switching.

[eitanr]

Toronto needs to get away from spending to solve their issues.

Next year starting Amir next to Val is a great way to go. On/Off numbers for those two starting together are sub 80 defensive rating (as oppose to Bargnani which is near 110) and Val and Ross in general need to be in position minutes and touches wise to progress.

DeRozan is clearly the guy you look to deal and potentially for some assets like an insurance backup young PG via the draft or other team and just more assets in general.

I still think Phoenix is the team to look at in a DeRozan deal. They need a wing who can generate some offense and have Kendall Marshall behind the long term signed Dragic.

They also have numerous picks and Dudley who could fit well with DeMar.

I think this draft is underrated, especially with nice PG talent. A guy like Trey Burke out of Michigan would be great short term off the bench, and if given some minutes and touches could progress further. I'd target him and a guy like Dudley for a DeRozan deal.

[Raptorfan2012]

Our biggest offseason needs are:

- New head coach: BY FAR the most important need. Our head coach should not cost us games, and Casey has cost us many this season. Bad substitutions, over-reliance on scrubs to close out games, not giving our young guys proper playing team to develop and gel.

- Low post help: Jonas will need a bit more time to adjust to the game, but has made okay strides this season (could have developed more if it wasn't for Casey). We are still getting killed by bigger guys in the post. Amir is an okay PF, but if we can get Jefferson, Milsap etc, it will greatly help.

- Outside shooting: This depends on Ross really. Again, Casey did not spend this season developing Ross properly. If Ross can prove to be that outside threat, we do not have to look too hard.

- Trade Bargnani: This is the obvious one. If we can somehow offload Bargnani for some bench help that fits the needs above, that will be great.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I really believe Amir Johnson is fine as the PF of this team moving forward. He works well with Jonas, and is essentially the backbone of our defence, until Jonas proves he is ready to take on that role. For that reason, I think it's important to have him there to start out games with Jonas. Then, you can sub in whomever, or move Rudy to the 4 on occasion.

Somebody like Luis Scola would be just fine if we're looking to add to our frontcourt. No need for a Boozer or someone like that.

[Raps Militia]

No trade. (i can't see a good trade for us, and we don't need guys like Gasol or Loozer)

- Amnesty Kleiza
- Sign Korver (MLE)
- Sign one between Dalembert and Maxiell
- Resign Anderson (for the minimum)
- Resign Lucas (Player Option)
- Resign Telfair

Lowry / Telfair / Lucas
DeRozan / Ross / Anderson
Gay / Korver / Fields
Bargnani / Johnson / Acy
Valanciunas / Maxiell-Dalembert / Gray

[Raptorfan2012]

No trade. (i can't see a good trade for us, and we don't need guys like Gasol or Loozer)

- Amnesty Kleiza
- Sign Korver (MLE)
- Sign one between Dalembert and Maxiell
- Resign Anderson (for the minimum)
- Resign Lucas (Player Option)
- Resign Telfair

Lowry / Telfair / Lucas
DeRozan / Ross / Anderson
Gay / Korver / Fields
Bargnani / Johnson / Acy
Valanciunas / Maxiell-Dalembert / Gray

I think I am done with Alan Anderson TBH. He is not bad, but I want Ross to get his minutes. I like the idea of grabbing a guy like Dalembert, Maxiell, or even De. Blair; we need some help in the post. I would trade Bargnani to help free up some cap space.