Trade Thread (REVENGE OF THE NERDS II: NERDS IN PARADISE)

GSForever · Post #61 » by **GSForever** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 8:48 pm

FNQ check the realgm website. They didn't want to pay the tax

watch1958 · Post #62 » by **watch1958** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 8:49 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:
watch1958 wrote:
Left*My*Heart wrote:
The Warriors can offer Lee, Klay and their 2014 first round pick and an expiring contract to upgrade the 4 or 5 spot.
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Can't trade 2014 pick.

The instant the 2013 draft ends, we absolutely can. I think there's basically a 3 week window left, from June 1st up until draft day.

Assuming Utah gets the pick this year, when does it officially become a "past pick"? On draft day?

GSForever · Post #63 » by **GSForever** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 8:54 pm

The dubs were the first team Sam Presti called up. When that didn't work the Wiz were next followed by the trade to Houston

Post #64 » by **FNQ** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 9:21 pm

watch1958 wrote:
The instant the 2013 draft ends, we absolutely can. I think there's basically a 3 week window left, from June 1st up until draft day.

Assuming Utah gets the pick this year, when does it officially become a "past pick"? On draft day?[/quote]

Correct. It may even be when Utah officially makes the selection

Post #65 » by **FNQ** » Fri Mar 8, 2013 9:22 pm

GSForever wrote:The dubs were the first team Sam Presti called up. When that didn't work the Wiz were next followed by the trade to Houston

I dont entirely buy that, especially with the timing of this article and what we had to offer at that time. BS is very well aware of GS' fans' reactionary nature though. Lots of hits, no doubt.

giberish · Post #66 » by **giberish** » Sat Mar 9, 2013 1:56 am

PowerSteele wrote:The Lee hate is through the roof since the populist conference speech. Lee for Brooks/Hump?? Oh come on now.

If next season starts poorly, and the team wants to commit to a 2014 cap space plan, then I could see that ad the trade deadline.

watch1958 · Post #67 » by **watch1958** » Sat Mar 9, 2013 2:12 am

Being the first team he called up didn't mean they came close to making a deal. RJ/Biedrins may have been the point that killed the talks, but it doesn't mean that a deal was set except for that issue.

If you are going up a ladder and the first rung breaks, it doesn't mean that the rest of the rungs were solid, you just never had a chance to try them.

GSForever · Post #68 » by **GSForever** » Sat Mar 9, 2013 11:11 pm

What I hate is when GMs fall too much in love with their own players. Then they turn out to be average players where we bypass a good trade. We are then left shaking our heads why we didn't draft so called players like Noah etc. I hope we can unload Klay for a good player in exchange. Should have sold high on him last year. Curry and Klay cannot coexist together. What I want to see is us make a trade for a sure high lotto pick. And unload the contracts of RJ and AB and get someone like Wiggins or Shabazz

The Maestro · Post #69 » by **The Maestro** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:01 pm

Bogut/Curry for Horford/Lou Williams

Lee/#1 for Love

Sign a FA pg and back up pf with our expirings

FA/Jack
Klay/Lou
Barnes/Rush
Love/FA
Horford/Ezeli

GSForever · Post #70 » by **GSForever** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:33 pm

I like the Horford move. But I wanna see if we can get Kanter for Klay. And get some bigger rugged like maybe a Tony Allen. Someone that will contest the 3 ball

EvanZ · Post #71 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:58 pm

GSForever wrote:Curry and Klay cannot coexist together.

Sure they can, on a team with Kevin Durant or LeBron James. Not sure how we're going to substantially upgrade from Klay though, to be honest. Who's out there?

510TWSS · Post #72 » by **510TWSS** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:50 am

I'd love Horford. When he's healthy the man is a beast. I think it'd take a lot to get him though.

I would pass on Turner at this point. Klay is still too much of an asset to burn on ET. Turner needs to actually start converting on some of those drives and learn how to shoot an outside shot. Klay has more perceived value so I think we could get something better than an inconsistent but young swing man. If we bundle Klay and Lee we might just fool a GM into giving us something valuable.

I think Utah is fine with letting Al and maybe Milsapp go and letting the youngin's take over. They have a good core of talent and need to find a PG to make everything click.

Left*My*Heart · Post #73 » by **Left*My*Heart** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:17 pm

Incredible how some of us value our own players. It used to be when we sucked that there was a large contingent, that over valued our players and now it seems we want to under value our players.

Mylie10 · Post #74 » by **Mylie10** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:30 pm

Left*My*Heart wrote:Incredible how some of us value our own players. It used to be when we sucked that there was a large contingent, that over valued our players and now it seems we want to under value our players.

Explain to me your reasoning as to why Lee and Klay will help us win more in the future....Not saying you're wrong or anything....I'm just interested in your reasons.

GSForever · Post #75 » by **GSForever** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:59 pm

Or how some of us post one sided trade ideas

GSForever · Post #76 » by **GSForever** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:00 pm

Or how some of us post one sided trade ideas

Onus · Post #77 » by **Onus** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:31 pm

Mylie10 wrote:
Left*My*Heart wrote:Incredible how some of us value our own players. It used to be when we sucked that there was a large contingent, that over valued our players and now it seems we want to under value our players.

Explain to me your reasoning as to why Lee and Klay will help us win more in the future....Not saying you're wrong or anything....I'm just interested in your reasons.

A month or so ago no one on this board wanted to trade Lee, now we're making offers for marswag and humps or lee/#1 for love.

Truthfully i'm not even sure who would want lee right now. I guess someone with a good/great defensive center. Tyson Chandler has amare and melo. Noah has boozer and gibson. hibbert has west. gasol has z-bo. sanders has ersan/henson/udoh, maybe another milwaukee trade. Favors has kanter/millsap/jefferson, I'd trade lee straight up for any of those players. howard has clark/gasol though gasol is on record saying he doesn't want to come back to that situation.

Maybe we can convince the lakers to take him. I'd offer barnes and lee for gasol. In 2012 Gasol was the best center in the olympics, I don't think he's fallen off a cliff as some think, more so that he's being utilized wrong in Antoni's offense.

TaylorMonkey · Post #78 » by **TaylorMonkey** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:58 pm

Onus wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:
Left*My*Heart wrote:Incredible how some of us value our own players. It used to be when we sucked that there was a large contingent, that over valued our players and now it seems we want to under value our players.

Explain to me your reasoning as to why Lee and Klay will help us win more in the future....Not saying you're wrong or anything....I'm just interested in your reasons.

A month or so ago no one on this board wanted to trade Lee, now we're making offers for marswag and humps or lee/#1 for love.

Truthfully i'm not even sure who would want lee right now. I guess someone with a good/great defensive center. Tyson Chandler has amare and melo. Noah has boozer and gibson. hibbert has west. gasol has z-bo. sanders has ersan/henson/udoh, maybe another milwaukee trade. Favors has kanter/millsap/jefferson, I'd trade lee straight up for any of those players. howard has clark/gasol though gasol is on record saying he doesn't want to come back to that situation.

Maybe we can convince the lakers to take him. I'd offer barnes and lee for gasol. In 2012 Gasol was the best center in the olympics, I don't think he's fallen off a cliff as some think, more so that he's being utilized wrong in Antoni's offense.

We should turn the question around. All of those middling defense, offensive power forwards have a premier defensive center next to them.

Who does Lee have?

Bogut *when* he's healthy, and Ezeli/Beans-- neither of whom are defensive standouts, are both inept at offense, and can't get any regular rotation minutes.

"Upgrading" Lee for any of those guys makes little difference if we don't shore up our defensive C and improve our our perimeter D.

Lee for Amare or Boozer? Really?

Also Lee and Barnes for Gasol is awful awful awful. Giving up young talent and Lee for an old, progressively more injury prone Gasol with an even bigger contract. We are going nowhere without a defensive interior presence, and we're mortgaging our future and cap for a win now move without win now pieces. Awful.

If I'm trading Lee I want to address what he lacks and what the warriors need: premier interior defense with some semblance of offense, preferably younger than Lee. At the very least I want someone who can do 90% of what Lee does now at a more favorable contract. There aren't many of these guys. I don't want older/more injury prone players with bigger contracts based on reputation and rose tinted glasses.

Onus · Post #79 » by **Onus** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:18 pm

having an offensive pf is overrated, as they can be neutralized by putting one of the centers on them. Especially with the way the league is going, small, playing melo/durant/lebron at the 4 none of the traditional offensive pfs can match up with them defensively and can't really take advantage of their size, as they aren't much bigger if they are at all.

Not many teams win with an offensive 4 unless they're lebron or 7'. Dirk, KG, Duncan are all 7' and not traditional pfs.

TaylorMonkey · Post #80 » by **TaylorMonkey** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:28 pm

Onus wrote:having an offensive pf is overrated, as they can be neutralized by putting one of the centers on them. Especially with the way the league is going, small, playing melo/durant/lebron at the 4 none of the traditional offensive pfs can match up with them defensively and can't really take advantage of their size, as they aren't much bigger if they are at all.

Not many teams win with an offensive 4 unless they're lebron or 7'. Dirk, KG, Duncan are all 7' and not traditional pfs.

I don't disagree. Which is why I'm asking why we want to trade Lee for the Boozers, Amares, and Paus of the league and throw in Barnes for the privilege.

I want a premier defensive C back. I want to fix our problems rather than exacerbate it with guys who do less, are older, are more injury prone, and on bigger contracts-- sometimes all four.