State of the Roster

texasholdem · Post #861 » by **texasholdem** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:55 am

GSW leading. Utah wins. Time to start a Who do we take in the lottery 2013 thread?

Fattz · Post #862 » by **Fattz** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:07 pm

I read all this Howard or Love posting.... There is maybe a 3% chance of that EVER happening. We are close and young we don't need a childlike big made of class to tie up our capspace and then say he is sorry about the way he acted a year later. Love is the T -Wolves they are going to keep him - RA and him a famlily friends.

The players we have are for the most part soild but need some time to grow, but I do not know what to think of Lin (I like him then I don't - there is something that is a miss with him). He is worth one more season but if some wanted him he is very tradeable as is everyone for the right price less Harden.
- I would like to see a player like Anthony Ranolph at center next to Rodinson when the 2nd unit plays.(T.Jones may be this player)
- Delfino has been a gift this year I would like to clone him (so would Mchale)... but there is only one of him. Next year's Delfino type could be - Jordan Hamilton (stuck deep on the Dever's bench)- could be had in a small trade IMO.
- I do not like the Aaron Brooks signing at all. I don't have an answer but did not know about Pattrick Beverley either till he was pulled out of a hat. One more just like him please.

Small changes and season maybe two to grow we will be the hunt for a title for years to come.

texasholdem · Post #863 » by **texasholdem** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:29 pm

Lin is not going to be traded, at least not before the October preseason games in Manila and Taiwan.

moofs · Post #864 » by **moofs** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:05 pm

How does anyone here end up wanting to get DeMarcus Cousins.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball- ... --nba.html

I repeat. Punk.

madbucky · Post #865 » by **madbucky** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:32 pm

moofs wrote:How does anyone here end up wanting to get DeMarcus Cousins.

Not me. I would never want a classless player with an attitude problem, regardless of his talent.

moofs · Post #866 » by **moofs** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:11 pm

He does finally have his shooting percentages up to .455, which is quite respectable for a point guard.

That's his position, right?

Zubby · Post #867 » by **Zubby** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:30 pm

Haha I had no idea Cousins fg% was that low, he does shoot a lot of mid range shots I suppose...

I'm one of the people who would trade anything for Cousins, he is no worse than Ron Ron in his early days, now Metta is one of my favorites.

imo Cousins is so worth the headache for the past couple of years.

madbucky · Post #868 » by **madbucky** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:49 pm

Zubby wrote:Haha I had no idea Cousins fg% was that low, he does shoot a lot of mid range shots I suppose..

Cousins: 60% restricted area, 33% paint, 33% midrange, 11.5 reb/36min
Asik: 57% restricted area, 30% paint, 43% midrange, 14.1 reb/36min

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player ... 3;season=r
http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player ... 3;season=r

moofs · Post #869 » by **moofs** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:17 pm

Zubby wrote:I'm one of the people who would trade anything for Cousins, he is no worse than Ron Ron in his early days, now Metta is one of my favorites.

imo Cousins is so worth the headache for the past couple of years.

I'm at a loss. Why?

And here we see that relative to other centers, Cousins is a little better at rebounding, assists, getting to the line, and steals. And these are generally the stats that tempt Arturo into picking Cousins every year in the win-score fantasy league before dropping him 2 months later. Because Cousins is basically awful at everything else you want a center to do, namely shooting, blocking shots, and turnovers. Especially shooting. The fact that he is so bad at shooting is particularly devastating because he shoots often.

Here's a chart showing how he's significantly subpar at all ranges.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... MRnc#gid=0

moofs · Post #870 » by **moofs** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:36 pm

How... did I miss this...?

We've obviously needed an upgrade at power forward all year.
DeJuan Blair is one of my favorite players.

I never even considered him.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnatio ... as-a-spur/

Neither did San Antonio. He's quite probably available.

Durrrrr.

At that point, the fight'd be on between Robinson, Donuts, and possibly Jones for backup.

Bear/Asik front line?

spolgar · Post #871 » by **spolgar** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:51 pm

moofs wrote:How... did I miss this...?

We've obviously needed an upgrade at power forward all year.
DeJuan Blair is one of my favorite players.

I never even considered him.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnatio ... as-a-spur/

Neither did San Antonio. He's quite probably available.

Durrrrr.

At that point, the fight'd be on between Robinson, Donuts, and possibly Jones for backup.

Bear/Asik front line?

To have Popovich give you a reference like that is very, very rare.

The problem with Blair is that he's got no more acl in either knee. Hist career is on borrowed time. That means if someone were to dangle a 4 year deal at him, for even meager money, he'll probably bite since he knows the risks involved. A low per year hit to the cap packaged is fine since the insurance bill doesn't count against the cap.

If the Spurs want to sign and trade, then at least we know we have the prospects to do it.

The issue is, Royce White isn't going anywhere, so do we give up on TJones already? For salaries to match, we'd have to give them someone else too...

moofs · Post #872 » by **moofs** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:49 pm

spolgar wrote:To have Popovich give you a reference like that is very, very rare.

The problem with Blair is that he's got no more acl in either knee. Hist career is on borrowed time. That means if someone were to dangle a 4 year deal at him, for even meager money, he'll probably bite since he knows the risks involved. A low per year hit to the cap packaged is fine since the insurance bill doesn't count against the cap.

If the Spurs want to sign and trade, then at least we know we have the prospects to do it.

The issue is, Royce White isn't going anywhere, so do we give up on TJones already? For salaries to match, we'd have to give them someone else too...

Ggssshgghhhhghhghgff...... Yeah, make the decision hard! Thanks.
I suppose Jones for Blair would work. Blair IS only 23, his knees could be able to handle at least 2-4 more years.

I do have higher hopes than "trade bait" for him, but I think I could pull that trigger...
We can be almost positive that the Spurs wouldn't take Motie.

Robinson's already showing some flashes, too. Hard to pick between him and Jones for an outgoing on this.

Somewhat unrelated: I'm still slightly surprised that we aren't running Smith with Asik more often, either.

spolgar · Post #873 » by **spolgar** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:52 pm

moofs wrote:
Ggssshgghhhhghhghgff...... Yeah, make the decision hard! Thanks.
I suppose Jones for Blair would work. Blair IS only 23, his knees could be able to handle at least 2-4 more years.

I do have higher hopes than "trade bait" for him, but I think I could pull that trigger...
We can be almost positive that the Spurs wouldn't take Motie.

Robinson's already showing some flashes, too. Hard to pick between him and Jones for an outgoing on this.

Somewhat unrelated: I'm still slightly surprised that we aren't running Smith with Asik more often, either.

Offensively, Smith and Asik operate in the same confines, albeit Smith having more offensive agility than Asik. Defensively, they defend well in the post, but suffer from being too far away from the basket. Unless we play a team that we need to out board desperately, or we are playing a team that likes to trot out two burly bigs, one of our guys will be in a defensive mismatch.

I actually think we can get someone better than Blair for Motie, but if he goes anywhere it ought to be some team on the East Coast. Motie to the Spurs will haunt us till 2015.

Blair is not necessarily in the mode of TRob offensively, in fact Blair is far more polished under the basket. However, their offensive effectiveness is much closer to the basket. Neither one really has a 20 foot jumper and cannot do the stretch 4, which we like. I like Blair as a player, and I hope he goes to a slower team that could use a big 4, but he doesn't field an immediate need that our personnel can't provide immediately. His agent needs to work the Lakers angle. They could use a guy like him. Oklahoma would also work out pretty well too.

moofs · Post #874 » by **moofs** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:45 pm

spolgar wrote:Offensively, Smith and Asik operate in the same confines, albeit Smith having more offensive agility than Asik. Defensively, they defend well in the post, but suffer from being too far away from the basket. Unless we play a team that we need to out board desperately, or we are playing a team that likes to trot out two burly bigs, one of our guys will be in a defensive mismatch.

I actually think we can get someone better than Blair for Motie, but if he goes anywhere it ought to be some team on the East Coast. Motie to the Spurs will haunt us till 2015.

Blair is not necessarily in the mode of TRob offensively, in fact Blair is far more polished under the basket. However, their offensive effectiveness is much closer to the basket. Neither one really has a 20 foot jumper and cannot do the stretch 4, which we like. I like Blair as a player, and I hope he goes to a slower team that could use a big 4, but he doesn't field an immediate need that our personnel can't provide immediately. His agent needs to work the Lakers angle. They could use a guy like him. Oklahoma would also work out pretty well too.

I was actually suggesting that the Spurs wouldn't take Motie, although you can ignore that comment please.

You're probably right though, Blair may be a bit too redundant. I got rebound happy again.

Post #875 » by **jwise44** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:14 pm

Hell no to no knees Blair

We're gonna have to trade one of our young pfs and it probably won't be for another pf (one that doesn't have as high a ceiling as any of the ones we have, not jones not white not robinson definitely not motie)

texasholdem · Post #876 » by **texasholdem** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:43 pm

Would anyone do this High Risk - High Reward trade idea?

to Bulls: Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Carlos Delfino, Thomas Robinson, Terrence Jones, Royce White
to Rockets: Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer

HOU
Parsons, Motiejunas, Boozer, Rose, Harden
Smith, Beverley, Brooks, Garcia

CHI
Deng, Noah, Asik, Lin, Hinrich
Delfino, Gibson, TRobinson, Butler

Harden, Rose and Boozer would make 46 million next year just the 3 of them so no more cap space for Dwight Howard, etc.

moofs · Post #877 » by **moofs** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:05 pm

Morey's supposed chasing of Bynum had seriously better be just rumor or misdirection.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... y-On-Knees

Post #878 » by **TMU** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:35 pm

Not buying it. How many of these rumors come to fruition? I don't believe any of these rumors one bit. Morey's pretty secretive about his trades and a lot of them came unexpected.

And I don't want Howard or Bynum on this team.

texasholdem · Post #879 » by **texasholdem** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:37 pm

Morey hasn't been secretive about pursuing certain free agents though, which Bynum is one this summer.
Trying to woo them via twitter, having rockets fans stalk them, etc.

Amare, Gortat, Bosh, Carmelo, Dwight...

We should sign both Bynum and Greg Oden just to see who lasts longer.

moofs · Post #880 » by **moofs** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:53 pm

A friend of my brother played a game like that when he was a kid.

He'd take two transformers and smash them together until one broke.
The other was the winner.
Then he'd have his mom take him to buy another one.
He's now a nuclear physicist.

I have no idea what to make of any of this, but it seems relevant somehow.