GT #62: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN

sfam · Post #121 » by **sfam** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:27 am

nate33 wrote:Crap. They just flashed Cleveland's upcoming schedule. They have a brutal stretch of games ahead. They could lose the next 8. This tank loss may have been a futile gesture.

As long as our schedule is filled with crappy teams, I have full confidence that we can keep up.

mhd · Post #122 » by **mhd** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:27 am

That was perfect outcome for a tank job. However, I think Cleveland will pass us. No Irving means they will lose more than we will. We still play the Suns twice for example. Beal and Wall will both need to sit for a true tank job to happen.

hands11 · Post #123 » by **hands11** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:28 am

And thats a wrap.

Now off to beat MIL

The back to lose to NO

Surgical Tank

sfam · Post #124 » by **sfam** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:29 am

sfam wrote:
nate33 wrote:Crap. They just flashed Cleveland's upcoming schedule. They have a brutal stretch of games ahead. They could lose the next 8. This tank loss may have been a futile gesture.

As long as our schedule is filled with crappy teams, I have full confidence that we can keep up.

It looks like the only gimmes on our schedule are OKC, MEM and LAL. The rest are fairly mediocre teams, which we should lose.

TGW · Post #125 » by **TGW** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:30 am

This is the most pathetic franchise in the league...by far.

tontoz · Post #126 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:30 am

Post #127 » by **nate33** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:30 am

Minnesota killing San Antonio right now. That helps the tank. New Orleans losing by 9 to Brooklyn though.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #128 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:30 am

From a morale stand point, the Wizards got double doubles from Wall, Okafor, and Nene with all playing heavy minutes; yet, they lost to Shaun Livingston, Dion Waiters, Alonzo Gee, Tristan Thompson, and Luke Walton.

My morale says take that Ted and Ernie. Think about the investment of minutes in Webster (well over 40) and he might be gone. Meanwhile, the last 4 of 5 draft picks got garbage minutes. Singleton missed a big FT.

The aged player that Ted got instead of letting McGee expire is damaged goods. Why is Nene even playing?

This team is a mess.

Good tank game, though. Washington needs to go belly up. Sorry Randy Wittman, but I think EVERYBODY needs to go.

nuposse04 · Post #129 » by **nuposse04** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:33 am

at least they lost with some dignity. Wall coulda had nearly 20 assists tonight if he had a shooting guard out there.

Games like this should put webster's worth in perspective, yes he's an amazing shooter, but when he is cold, he doesn't really do much else out there. One of the reason why I want Porter.

We seriously need to work on our bench. We need a stretch 4 in the worst possible way, and a god damn playmaking SG...oh wait..

dangermouse · Post #130 » by **dangermouse** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:49 am

That was an old school Wizards rebounding effort.

hands11 · Post #131 » by **hands11** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:52 am

nuposse04 wrote:at least they lost with some dignity. Wall coulda had nearly 20 assists tonight if he had a shooting guard out there.

Games like this should put webster's worth in perspective, yes he's an amazing shooter, but when he is cold, he doesn't really do much else out there. One of the reason why I want Porter.

We seriously need to work on our bench. We need a stretch 4 in the worst possible way, and a god damn playmaking SG...oh wait..

LOL

So where was Trevor A ? 12 Minutes ?

Post #132 » by **nate33** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:12 am

nuposse04 wrote:at least they lost with some dignity. Wall coulda had nearly 20 assists tonight if he had a shooting guard out there.

Games like this should put webster's worth in perspective, yes he's an amazing shooter, but when he is cold, he doesn't really do much else out there. One of the reason why I want Porter.

We seriously need to work on our bench. We need a stretch 4 in the worst possible way, and a god damn playmaking SG...oh wait..

We definitely need a quality stretch 4. EG either needs to build a team that fits Wall, or trade Wall for more of a pick-and-roll scoring PG and run half court sets with our huge, slow front line. We are a schizophrenic team right now. The bigs want to play bruising, methodical, post-up and kick-out basketball, and the guards are suitable for running and for Wall's drive-and-kick game.

I really like how Okafor has set a tone with his defense and rebounding, but he really clogs up the lane far too much for our personnel. Perhaps Okafor was needed to help teach our team how to defend, but I think he's a bad fit in the long run. We would look much better with a stretch 4 who can rebound playing alongside Nene at the 5. Throw in a long, athletic shot blocker like Noel and that would be an ideal 3-big rotation for a John Wall team.

If only we could trade Okafor for Ryan Anderson...

nuposse04 · Post #133 » by **nuposse04** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:25 am

If Wall can string some more games like this one together, and show some semblance of consistancy to end the season, I don't think the emphasis should be on trying to move him, it ought to be in trying to turn one of okafor or Nene into a stretch 4 or quality role pieces. If Okafor was a more skilled offensive player, then I wouldn't mind him starting next to Nene, but investing nearly 30 mil a season on defensive minded front court is pretty crippling.

There aren't many massive front courts in today's NBA anymore....I guess Memphis being the only one that comes to mind, but their bigs are actually offensively gifted. The best we can hope for is turning Okafor into Milsap I suppose. If Utah wants to tank next year but just wants someone on a one year rental to help teach Kanter and Favors defense (cause lord knows Jefferson can't teach that) we might be in luck.

That or we should draft Kelly like Ruz was saying, although I'd sooner root for the end of days then root for a dookie.

jivelikenice · Post #134 » by **jivelikenice** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:36 am

^agree....I don't want to hear him say "I was just trying to get my teammates involved" after a mediocre passive outing. He needs to realize that what he did tonight was a superstar effort and to be considered elite, you have to bring it like that every night. 27/14 won't be there night in night out, but he has to know that to be elite, this type of performance has to come more regularly versus an an anomaly. He had his season high in assists by being aggressive in looking for his own offense in addition to looking for his teammates.

dangermouse · Post #135 » by **dangermouse** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:45 am

jivelikenice wrote:^agree....I don't want to hear him say "I was just trying to get my teammates involved" after a mediocre passive outing. He needs to realize that what he did tonight was a superstar effort and to be considered elite, you have to bring it like that every night. 27/14 won't be there night in night out, but he has to know that to be elite, this type of performance has to come more regularly versus an an anomaly. He had his season high in assists by being aggressive in looking for his own offense in addition to looking for his teammates.

+1 that was a great post, and something I hope Cassell is in his ear about.

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #136 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:55 am

Dat2U wrote:Good tank loss. Excellent game by Wall. This is what I want, an aggressive Wall. He can get 4 TOs a night and be fine if he plays like he did tonight.

Are you one of the guys who are always hard on Wall talking about how he should be traded until he has a game like tonight; too down on him when he struggles, overzealous when he puts a game like tonight together and unable to put things in perspective? Wall cannot get 4 TOs a night like tonight just because he scores and has high assists totals and be fine because two of the turnovers came at the worst and most important moments in the game. I'm as big a Wall proponent as any other guy in here who supports him; Wall has to realize that he is turning the ball over at almost the same point in tight games every time and get a handle on that.

zardsfan · Post #137 » by **zardsfan** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:13 pm

It's good to see that most on the board are not flipping out over not winning against a "team that we should beat".

I'm sure Boston and San Antonio fans picked up the slack last night :wink:

Post #138 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:17 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Good tank loss. Excellent game by Wall. This is what I want, an aggressive Wall. He can get 4 TOs a night and be fine if he plays like he did tonight.

Are you one of the guys who are always hard on Wall talking about how he should be traded until he has a game like tonight; too down on him when he struggles, overzealous when he puts a game like tonight together and unable to put things in perspective? Wall cannot get 4 TOs a night like tonight just because he scores and has high assists totals and be fine because two of the turnovers came at the worst and most important moments in the game. I'm as big a Wall proponent as any other guy in here who supports him; Wall has to realize that he is turning the ball over at almost the same point in tight games every time and get a handle on that.

Dat's always the one who says not to do anything rash with Wall. Don't trade him unless you get an incredible offer.

pancakes3 · Post #139 » by **pancakes3** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:35 pm

When in doubt, blame CCJ. On the flip side, when in doubt, credit CCJ.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #140 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:40 pm

nate33 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:at least they lost with some dignity. Wall coulda had nearly 20 assists tonight if he had a shooting guard out there.

Games like this should put webster's worth in perspective, yes he's an amazing shooter, but when he is cold, he doesn't really do much else out there. One of the reason why I want Porter.

We seriously need to work on our bench. We need a stretch 4 in the worst possible way, and a god damn playmaking SG...oh wait..

We definitely need a quality stretch 4. EG either needs to build a team that fits Wall, or trade Wall for more of a pick-and-roll scoring PG and run half court sets with our huge, slow front line. We are a schizophrenic team right now. The bigs want to play bruising, methodical, post-up and kick-out basketball, and the guards are suitable for running and for Wall's drive-and-kick game.

I really like how Okafor has set a tone with his defense and rebounding, but he really clogs up the lane far too much for our personnel. Perhaps Okafor was needed to help teach our team how to defend, but I think he's a bad fit in the long run. We would look much better with a stretch 4 who can rebound playing alongside Nene at the 5. Throw in a long, athletic shot blocker like Noel and that would be an ideal 3-big rotation for a John Wall team.

If only we could trade Okafor for Ryan Anderson...

On the subject of needing a stretch four, Ryan Kelly might not be awful. Kadji has stats YODA doesn't like, but he looks good to me in round 2. A lot of times, however, guys like these don't make it. (JaJuan Jones of Purdue and Justin Harper out of Richmond are recent examples of guys who seemed like stretch fours in college who haven't made it. Jon Leuer is bouncing around the league, but like Novak I think he's going to find a niche.)

Instead of thinking about spending to get an Ilyasova or Ryan Anderson, I think drafting Kelly Olynyk might not be a bad way to go. I think he's going to be more of a four in the NBA.