Are fans here up for tanking some of next year?

[jman2585]

I have alot of respect for the new Jazz GM, he's one of the 5 Spurs outposts around the NBA, and it seems like he'll explore things that the Jazz have rarely been up for. Like tanking. Are fans on board with this though? I certainly think teams need to know when to tank and use the lottery, you don't want to end up on a treadmill like the Bucks (many of whose fans wish they could just be allowed to tank).

[AingesBurner]

I am down, he must have jedi powers to convince KOC and the Millers to go along. This could also be for ticket sells, fans want to watch the young guys play, we are sick of the mediocrity, I was at the Pistons game and nobody was into it, there were green seats every where. I also see them doing a lot of one year deals this off season as well. Teams next year will be getting rid of their multiple superstars to get under the tax. Wishful thinking but Jazz get a superstar and a super stud in the draft, aww that just sounds heavenly. No bad contracts this offseason (resigning Millsap, Mo, Watson or Jefferson) and a bad one (Marvin) coming off the books, an all-star caliber player could happen.

[RyanStorm]

I choose maybe, on certain terms.....dropping all your starters and bringing in all your young talent, there is only one thing you can really do, which is do what teams like us have to do, like Cavs and Wizards. You have to play your young top picks, you can't keep them on the bench forever, and its about time Favors and Kanter run the show.

Mo, Al and Paul are completely incapable of handling this team. They can take the Corbin Show and all walk into FA with Corbin and never look back, and I think we are just as good off as we were before. Corbin was lucky to make playoffs year, you really think we were shoe ins with him?!?

[blackham9258]

To me its not tanking when you play your young players (that you intend to keep long term) and compete every night. Its tanking when you play D league scrubs to lose the most amount of games possible and pretend to compete like GSW's did so effectively last year, and Charlotte does every year.

If we had Sloan as our Coach I bet that we would do what we did in 04' with AK, Harpring, and Bell... with Corbin (who I like) we would probably win 25-32 games.

I say do it and go for the number one pick.

[StocktonShorts]

I don't want us to tank but I refuse to watch another season where short-term gains are valued over long-term progress.

[Inigo Montoya]

I don't want us to tank but I refuse to watch another season where short-term gains are valued over long-term progress.

this.

start the C4 and give them plenty of minutes, play the new draft picks a lot as well, and fill the roster with one year rentals. at the end of the season you'll get a good idea of where the C4 are and what they are worth, as well as the draft picks. if you make it to the playoffs - that's a bonus. if you didn't - you got a lottery pick in a strong draft, and plenty of money to spend on a loaded free agency class.

[RyanStorm]

Did Jazz Club forget where the trigger is for that C-4?? Maybe they are waiting till Corbin stands over it so we can blow him away in shame...I mean how could we allow this mockery, Layden and Sloan would be turning over in their graves if they were dead, instead they turn over in their seats, which is somewhere in the first several seats.

I want justice. We have the best future Front Court when adding Carroll. But I think we need a future backcourt like Wizards who have Beal and Wall...Hayward is a perfect over sized SG/SF, and Burks is an oversized PG/SG. Even if we get our new Stockton we still need to fill in our bench. Even then we need a real coach. I would even consider Hornacek for intermin and see that how pans out. I am sure they are scouting for potential championship ready coaches, who want in with Kanter and Favors.

[pickIBL]

you know when the OP phrases the question as pro tanking and the posters still say NO... the fanbase would not be down with purposeful tanking. If giving Favors 35 a night is tanking fine... but still you get the idea. I voted No.

[countrybama24]

"Some" of next year? I wanna tank the whole year. I hope we sign no one this summer, except trash to make the salary minimum. Even Jose Calderon would add 5-10 wins that could take us from the 5-10 range to 10-14. Just suck it up millers, one year of slim profit margins, then hire a defensive minded coach and sign a solid free agent in the summer of 2014. I don't even consider that tanking, I consider it not rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic and building for the future. If we don't sign any notable free agents, and we're in the top 10 in the lottery, we weren't gonna make any noise if we did sign anyone, that's just where the roster is at currently. We should accept that.

We don't need Wiggins or Paker. If we got them it'd be amazing, but we just need a top 10 pick in a very good draft. With the worst X's and O's coach in the league and all the young guys getting big minutes, we could make that happen without relegating ourselves to perennial bottom dweller status.

[pickIBL]

countrybama what you are proposing is not possible. the cap is about to shoot up and the Jazz have to hit the 90% floor. Just NOT possible.

[Inigo Montoya]

could be possible. trade for kris kardashian and his expiring 12M contract to back up our bigs, and you are half way there. after that you'll be at about 38M, with around 14M to spend on a maximum of 8 players.

[pickIBL]

expirings have pretty nice value under the new CBA. Maybe you can trade for two expirings plus then sign everyone else to one year deals... but that's a lot of IFs.

[StocktonShorts]

"Some" of next year? I wanna tank the whole year. I hope we sign no one this summer, except trash to make the salary minimum. Even Jose Calderon would add 5-10 wins that could take us from the 5-10 range to 10-14. Just suck it up millers, one year of slim profit margins, then hire a defensive minded coach and sign a solid free agent in the summer of 2014. I don't even consider that tanking, I consider it not rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic and building for the future. If we don't sign any notable free agents, and we're in the top 10 in the lottery, we weren't gonna make any noise if we did sign anyone, that's just where the roster is at currently. We should accept that.

We don't need Wiggins or Paker. If we got them it'd be amazing, but we just need a top 10 pick in a very good draft. With the worst X's and O's coach in the league and all the young guys getting big minutes, we could make that happen without relegating ourselves to perennial bottom dweller status.

If they don't fire Corbin I'll take it as a sign they plan on tanking.

[countrybama24]

countrybama what you are proposing is not possible. the cap is about to shoot up and the Jazz have to hit the 90% floor. Just NOT possible.

This is precisely the reason we should have traded Millsap or Al for a "bad" contract and a good pick / young player.

But it absolutely is possible. Give Carroll a one year max deal, trade for a large expiring contract, overpay a free agent for one year (see Dallas). We definitely could hit that floor without significantly improving the team or hamstringing our cap space the following year, but ownership would be forced to admit they're rebuilding which they would never do.

But really, this illustrates how we absolutely could have taken on salary in a Millsap trade to get a great pick or other asset. What are we going to do with $30M in cap space? Oh right, sign mediocre, no defense, second tier players and keeping treading water.

[Inigo Montoya]

expirings have pretty nice value under the new CBA. Maybe you can trade for two expirings plus then sign everyone else to one year deals... but that's a lot of IFs.

we are likely to have marvin's expiring contract. we can take kris humphries' contract for a trade exception (and maybe even get a draft pick. we save the nets a ton of money and they already made it clear that humphries is out of the rotation: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226544/Source-Kris-Humphries-Out-Of-Nets-Rotation). that's already two expiring deals worth 19.5M. the rest of the roster can be one year fillers - no need to trade for more expiring deals. btw, ben gordon and his 12M will also be expiring next season.

totally possible.

[pickIBL]

I'm not sold on that. I think a portion of the money would be well used on some fence swinging.

If we take back Kim's biatch they'd better send bogdanovic back too. Then you've got to sign him.
I also think some of the cap money should go to Ante Tomic. That includes a buyout and a multi year deal. Why am I the only one drooling over this 25 year old who is the best center in Europe?

I am not high on this free agent class at all. I would much rather see the Jazz look to the draft and overseas.

Tomic, Lorbek, and Bogdanovic I would be 100% in favor of shrewd long-term deals. Bobby Brown and Sonny Weems I think one year fully guaranteed and a team option.

The problem is you add two good draft choice to players like that... plus the young guys the Jazz already have... and they can't possibly be bad enough to get a great pick. I would probably laugh my ass of as they made the playoffs. Cuz that's a lot of talent right there. Just no superstar.

[Inigo Montoya]

this FA class sucks. it's the one after that which is a really good one, so we might as well use this free agency to sign or trade for at least one big expiring contract to enable the jazz some flexibility and a shot at the next free agency class which is loaded. and if we happen to get a bad\meh player attached to a big expiring contract - that will just help improve the chances for a better draft pick.

I also think some of the cap money should go to Ante Tomic. That includes a buyout and a multi year deal. Why am I the only one drooling over this 25 year old who is the best center in Europe?

we went through it once, so i won't rehash. but like you said - if he's good enough, it may hurt the draft pick's position. and he'll be relatively cheap. so in that case, we might as well wait for the 2014-2015 summer to sign him, after we hopefully get a decent draft pick and a good free agent with the free cap space we created and maintained.

[pickIBL]

I was thinking 3 years 12 million plus a 1 million buyout (around 1/2 counts towards the cap). It is a great time to do it because you are aiming for the cap floor anyways. I just don't get it... you can't out bobcat the bobcats and if the fanbase gets a real wiff of this idea being legit it will kill revenues in a small market.

[Inigo Montoya]

I was thinking 3 years 12 million plus a 1 million buyout (around 1/2 counts towards the cap). It is a great time to do it because you are aiming for the cap floor anyways. I just don't get it... you can't out bobcat the bobcats and if the fanbase gets a real wiff of this idea being legit it will kill revenues in a small market.

you can't out bobcat the bobcats, but you can definitely outdraft them, since history shows they suck at that part. really good at losing games though. so you may not get a higher pick than them, but you can still end up with the better player. anyway, i don't think the jazz will be at bobcats L territory next year even if they tried real hard. i'm not shooting for the worst record and 1st overall pick. but a nice 5-8 pick could be real good too.

regarding the fanbase - i think most of the jazz fans are really fed up with mediocre teams with a first round sweeping exit as a ceiling. i think most jazz fans want to see the C4 play significant minutes and see what they can do, even if it means missing the playoffs. i see plenty of empty seats in ESA this year, and this team has a winning record and contends for the playoffs. so i do think jazz fans would accept a step back next year, and that the revenues will be roughly the same as this year. and whatever revenues the jazz lose, they can make up for by not exceeding the salary floor. they can pay around 52M-54M next year, which will offset a potential loss of revenues. this year's payroll is 67M. so couple the savings on payroll with revenue sharing and it should offset any potential revenue loss, which compared to this year - won't be all that significant imho.

[pickIBL]

Even the bobcats won't miss on a Wiggins prospect. And plenty of other teams are going to be doing their best bobcats impression.

If you want to start a youth moment... fine... let Al & Paul go. Forget about Mo & Foye.

But still put the best young talent out there you can. If signing Sonny Weems worries you because he is playing out of his mind for CSKA Moscow and he might not "suck" enough... then well that is pretty lame.