Grunwald depreciation day

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He put the most unathletic roster imaginable out there. Not that I am happy with Melo, but the role players as a group on this team can only play a low speed game. We can't get easy buckets because nobody can run. We can't keep up with athletes like last night. We are dead last in the league in assists per game because nobody moves without the ball.

You can put some of it on the coach and his brand of basketball, but the fact is we simply don't have many guys who can keep up with the young legs in this league.

So bravo Grunwald for creating a down the hill supporting cast with zero athleticism.

Edit: I officially miss Lin, Fields, and Jeffries. That says a lot...

[GONYK]

He put the most unathletic roster imaginable out there. Not that I am happy with Melo, but the role players as a group on this team can only play a low speed game. We can't get easy buckets because nobody can run. We can't keep up with athletes like last night. We are dead last in the league in assists per game because nobody moves without the ball.

You can put some of it on the coach and his brand of basketball, but the fact is we simply don't have many guys who can keep up with the young legs in this league.

So bravo Grunwald for creating a down the hill supporting cast with zero athleticism.

Edit: I officially miss Lin, Fields, and Jeffries. That says a lot...

What was the alternative though?

I know he could have stocked up on a lot of athletic misfits that have been cut around the league, but that comes at its own cost.

I don't understand why Sheed was chosen over Kmart and Birdman, but other than that I'm not sure how he could have gotten more value out of the nothing we had available to offer after we let Lin go.

[MaseInYourFace]

I disagree. This team just doesn't run because they are lazy about it. They score and then give up a fast break on the other end. There are enough guys on the team that can run on break (Melo, Chandler, Felton, Shumpert), even Kidd at his old age is still highly capable of running fast break.

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He put the most unathletic roster imaginable out there. Not that I am happy with Melo, but the role players as a group on this team can only play a low speed game. We can't get easy buckets because nobody can run. We can't keep up with athletes like last night. We are dead last in the league in assists per game because nobody moves without the ball.

You can put some of it on the coach and his brand of basketball, but the fact is we simply don't have many guys who can keep up with the young legs in this league.

So bravo Grunwald for creating a down the hill supporting cast with zero athleticism.

Edit: I officially miss Lin, Fields, and Jeffries. That says a lot...

What was the alternative though?

I know he could have stocked up on a lot of athletic misfits that have been cut around the league, but that comes at its own cost.

I don't understand why Sheed was chosen over Kmart and Birdman, but other than that I'm not sure how he could have gotten more value out of the nothing we had available to offer after we let Lin go.

How about starting with not letting Lin go?

[GONYK]

He put the most unathletic roster imaginable out there. Not that I am happy with Melo, but the role players as a group on this team can only play a low speed game. We can't get easy buckets because nobody can run. We can't keep up with athletes like last night. We are dead last in the league in assists per game because nobody moves without the ball.

You can put some of it on the coach and his brand of basketball, but the fact is we simply don't have many guys who can keep up with the young legs in this league.

So bravo Grunwald for creating a down the hill supporting cast with zero athleticism.

Edit: I officially miss Lin, Fields, and Jeffries. That says a lot...

What was the alternative though?

I know he could have stocked up on a lot of athletic misfits that have been cut around the league, but that comes at its own cost.

I don't understand why Sheed was chosen over Kmart and Birdman, but other than that I'm not sure how he could have gotten more value out of the nothing we had available to offer after we let Lin go.

How about starting with not letting Lin go?

Not sure that is a decision you can fairly hang around Grunderson's neck.

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Not sure that is a decision you can fairly hang around Grunderson's neck.

I do not care who made that decision. It is absolutely definitely horrible. Every roster move follows that horrible decision including going after three FA PGs with exceptions, trades, and roster space.

Heck, I think even letting Fields and Jeffries go was horrible given we replaced them with Copeland and KT.

[MaseInYourFace]

Without injuries would you still feel that way?

[GONYK]

Not sure that is a decision you can fairly hang around Grunderson's neck.

I do not care who made that decision. It is absolutely definitely horrible. Every roster move follows that horrible decision including going after three FA PGs with exceptions, trades, and roster space.

Heck, I think even letting Fields and Jeffries go was horrible given we replaced them with Copeland and KT.

I don't disagree. I took losing Lin pretty hard myself.

At the same time, this is a bash Grunnie thread, so I'm just speaking to the decisions I think were clearly his. You want to expand this to Dolan and Woody, be my guest.

Also, f*ck Fields and his contract. Him, I don't miss...until I look down the line and see we're paying Novak as much as we are.

I would take a Fields for Novak swap in a second.

[MaseInYourFace]

Yup Novak was a bad signing. But it's not too much of a killer either. If you want to kill Grunwald for anything it's that he didn't leave himself a lot of space for flexibility for the next few years. He basically locked himself in for the next couple of years.

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Without injuries would you still feel that way?

There is a reason we couldn't stand a chance against the Rockets even during our run.

This team has ZERO athletic forwards. ZERO. At a time when the league is dominated by them.

Our PGs can not stop nor slow down any PG with decent penetration / foot speed.

[GONYK]

Yup Novak was a bad signing. But it's not too much of a killer either. If you want to kill Grunwald for anything it's that he didn't leave himself a lot of space for flexibility for the next few years. He basically locked himself in for the next couple of years.

The only clear mistake I think Grunwald pulled was picking up Chauncey's contracts, then amnestying him like a week later.

That was our get out of jail free card, and we used it on a player who we didn't have to pay in the first place.

I know why he did it. We would have need Billups' contract in any potential CP3 deal. But to commit to the longshot, and then waste the amnesty after it was a bit ridiculous.

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Yup Novak was a bad signing. But it's not too much of a killer either. If you want to kill Grunwald for anything it's that he didn't leave himself a lot of space for flexibility for the next few years. He basically locked himself in for the next couple of years.

Nah. This is just wrong. Once Amare/Melo/Chandler are locked in, there is no flexibility for the next three years.

Mistake is half azzed moves like letting Lin go for money.

Who has a better best player? Miami or NY? Obviously Miami by far. So what do you need to beat them? A better supporting cast.

Now which team spends more money on its supporting cast? You would expect NY, but you would be wrong.

[GONYK]

Yup Novak was a bad signing. But it's not too much of a killer either. If you want to kill Grunwald for anything it's that he didn't leave himself a lot of space for flexibility for the next few years. He basically locked himself in for the next couple of years.

Nah. This is just wrong. Once Amare/Melo/Chandler are locked in, there is no flexibility for the next three years.

Mistake is half azzed moves like letting Lin go for money.

Who has a better best player? Miami or NY? Obviously Miami by far. So what do you need to beat them? A better supporting cast.

Now which team spends more money on its supporting cast? You would expect NY, but you would be wrong.

That comparison is a bit skewed since the Miami trio all took paycuts

[Ewing2Melo]

People want to blame him for Lin?!?! The guy had 2 good weeks in NY, the NY media made him out to be something he's not.. a superstar.

You can't overpay someone for having 2 good weeks than getting injured. He wanted to get paid. The Knicks actually made their first smart move in a long time.

[MaseInYourFace]

Like Gonyk was saying I think the decision to let Lin go was more Dolan's fault. You can't kill Grunwald for that, at least not fully. Do you really think Jeffries and Fields really would have made that much of a difference? I wouldn't call either athletic forwards. Jeffries is always hurt, Fields has bad lateral speed. Also Knicks have Tyson Chandler who is a freak defensively, do factor that into what you are saying.

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Yup Novak was a bad signing. But it's not too much of a killer either. If you want to kill Grunwald for anything it's that he didn't leave himself a lot of space for flexibility for the next few years. He basically locked himself in for the next couple of years.

Nah. This is just wrong. Once Amare/Melo/Chandler are locked in, there is no flexibility for the next three years.

Mistake is half azzed moves like letting Lin go for money.

Who has a better best player? Miami or NY? Obviously Miami by far. So what do you need to beat them? A better supporting cast.

Now which team spends more money on its supporting cast? You would expect NY, but you would be wrong.

That comparison is a bit skewed since the Miami trio all took paycuts

Huh?

What does one have to do with the other?

Miami's payroll is at 83 million this year.

Compare that to NY's 79.

Now guess which team has the highest ticket prices this year.

Now guess which team lost a player(s) over money this year.

[MaseInYourFace]

People want to blame him for Lin?!?! The guy had 2 good weeks in NY, the NY media made him out to be something he's not.. a superstar.

You can't overpay someone for having 2 good weeks than getting injured. He wanted to get paid. The Knicks actually made their first smart move in a long time.

I think time will show not re-signing Lin was a mistake but that's for another thread. We are discussing Grunwald here...

[GONYK]

People want to blame him for Lin?!?! The guy had 2 good weeks in NY, the NY media made him out to be something he's not.. a superstar.

You can't overpay someone for having 2 good weeks than getting injured. He wanted to get paid. The Knicks actually made their first smart move in a long time.

Not really. He didn't adversely affect the cap. The only thing he affected was the lux tax.

Lin is not a star at this stage of his career, but he would have been a great change-of-pace guard for us, and another source of offense at the very least.

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The move that stands out, as far as how bad it is, is signing Kidd and to a three year contract nonetheless.

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People want to blame him for Lin?!?! The guy had 2 good weeks in NY, the NY media made him out to be something he's not.. a superstar.

You can't overpay someone for having 2 good weeks than getting injured. He wanted to get paid. The Knicks actually made their first smart move in a long time.

The only thing that would be affected was Dolan's bottomline.

Just goes to show you Dolan doesn't care about winning a championship.

Cheap bast*rd...