GT #63: Bucks @ Wizards 7 PM CSN

[tontoz]

^^ So the past doesn't matter unless it suits your argument, right?

Do you really not realize that winning more games makes it more likely that EG will keep his job?

[TheBabyMaker]

This team hasn't won over 45 games since the 70s. That is the real problem. It isn't just about the last 4 years.

30 wins should never be a goal.

30 wins should not be a goal but, tanking games and praying to get the top pick shoud not be a goal eighter (its not like there is a Lebron or Kobe in the draft every year). I just don't get the losing mentality of this board (tanking and losing on purpose) maybe thats what the problem with this organizating, just a losing mentality and environment with fans accepting it year after year, why even bother to play the game if you want to lose. You can't only win through the draft, you need free agents too but who would want to play here (any good free agent) in this constant losing environment. No wonder I don't bother to post here often I get tired of reading this crap.

Tanking isn't a goal, it is a means to an end.

This team is over the cap so it doesn't matter whether free agents want to play here or not. How exactly do you propose bringing in the talent to make this team a good one?

The mentality of the fans isn't going to cause the team to lose games year after year. Lack of talent is what causes that.

Means to an end of what, winning, ( or you mean losing) we have been doing that for years. Seriously I just don't get it. But keep playing the lottery and hope to hit the jackpot, not much is going to change unless management changes and get a decent Coatching and trainer staff.

[nuposse04]

Whats the point of tanking if EG is drafting...if the tanking is the means here, its just going to lead to a soul crushing end anyways with that cum dumpster drafting for us.

[tontoz]

Means to an end of what, winning, ( or you mean losing) we have been doing that for years. Seriously I just don't get it. But keep playing the lottery and hope to hit the jackpot, not much is going to change unless management changes and get a decent Coatching and trainer staff.

If those 6 straight wins at the end of last season had cost us the chance to draft Beal then i think you would get it. The goal is to be a regular 50+ win team. Winning a handful more games this year does nothing to help accomplish that goal.

Losing now not only improves our draft position/lottery odds but also makes it more likely that EG gets canned.

[Ruzious]

In the grand scheme of things, would you rather win 32 games because you played a beat up Nene 34 minutes a game (while icing his shoulder and foot on the sidelines when he's not playing). or would you rather sit him, let him heal, give that time to Seraphin and Vesely, and lose a few more games enabling the team to get a better player in the draft and reducing the chance that we end up with another Vesely?

[payitforward]

^^ So the past doesn't matter unless it suits your argument, right?

Do you really not realize that winning more games makes it more likely that EG will keep his job?

Unfortunately, I am completely unable to figure out what would actually lead to EG being fired! But, surely "tanking" (i.e. losing more or less on purpose) wouldn't do it. It'd be another case of Ernie following Ted's "strategy."

You tell me how a GM who has averaged less than 30 wins for a decade still has a job?

[tontoz]

^^ So the past doesn't matter unless it suits your argument, right?

Do you really not realize that winning more games makes it more likely that EG will keep his job?

Unfortunately, I am completely unable to figure out what would actually lead to EG being fired! But, surely "tanking" (i.e. losing more or less on purpose) wouldn't do it. It'd be another case of Ernie following Ted's "strategy."

You tell me how a GM who has averaged less than 30 wins for a decade still has a job?

The whole point of the Okariza deal was to help the team win more games in the short term and try to make the playoffs. That failed and a big reason why it failed is all the mistakes EG made leading up to the Okariza deal.

Ted hasn't been the owner for a decade so is probably excusing some of what happened under Abe. However it remains to be seen how long he is going to listen to EG's excuses. EG only has 1 year left on his deal.

Last year the team finished with 6 straight wins. What has been the long term benefit of those wins? There certainly wasn't any carryover to this season.

[DCZards]

The whole point of the Okariza deal was to help the team win more games in the short term and try to make the playoffs. That failed and a big reason why it failed is all the mistakes EG made leading up to the Okariza deal.

Ted hasn't been the owner for a decade so is probably excusing some of what happened under Abe. However it remains to be seen how long he is going to listen to EG's excuses. EG only has 1 year left on his deal.

Last year the team finished with 6 straight wins. What has been the long term benefit of those wins? There certainly wasn't any carryover to this season.

C'mon, tontoz, you know the big reason the Zards aren't going to make the playoffs is because Wall missed the first two months of the season. It's also the main reason there was no carryover from the end of last sason. This IS a playoff team when Wall is healthy. EG was right about that.

If I understand you correctly, the best thing the Zards can do is have the worst record in the NBA.

Isn't there some benefits in a team developing a winning--rather than losing--mindset, even if they're not going to win 50 games? Isn't there some benefit to having young players like Beal and Wall experience what it's like to win more often than not?

Yes, only winning 35 games sucks--and is not acceptable. But it's easier to build on growth, improvement and wins than it is to build on a losing mentality. Trying to keep your win total low with the thought that one or two draft picks are going to take you from a 25-30 win team to a 50 win team the next season is downright foolish. I know that's not exactly what you're saying but that's what it sounds like.

[tontoz]

C'mon, tontoz, you know the big reason the Zards aren't going to make the playoffs is because Wall missed the first two months of the season. It's also the main reason there was no carryover from the end of last sason. This IS a playoff team when Wall is healthy. EG was right about that.

Wall being out two months is one of the reasons they aren't going to make the playoffs. However the biggest reason is that there are too many players on the roster who suck. If any of the top 7 players are hurt it is a big blow because their replacements are so bad.

Even when everyone is healthy this is a weak offensive team. When key guys are out it is an awful offensive team.

Very few teams stay healthy all year.

Isn't there some benefits in a team developing a winning--rather than losing--mindset, even if they're not going to win 50 games? Isn't there some benefit to having young players like Beal and Wall experience what it's like to win more often than not?

Yes, but it is too late in the game for this to be anything but a lousy season. A few extra wins will be like whipped cream on a turd. It might look a little better but it is still a turd.

[truwizfan4evr]

I'm a guy who want us to tank but this is so refreshing to see us playing well like this.

[truwizfan4evr]

anybody see this in the game? http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=http:/ ... UVAnBx4IWw