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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#621 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:48 am

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stevemcqueen1 wrote:Anyone able to catch any of the Kansas game? I've barely seen any of it between flipping back and forth between Maryland. GTown, and the Wiz. Where is Ben McLemore? Is he hurt?


I saw the worst and best of Michael Carter-Williams. He shot a brick at the end of regulation on a three-point shot. MCW is a weak shooter. However, at the end of the OT he defended the sidelines in part of a zone trap that caused Otto Porter to turn it over.

I think Georgetown might benefit from being motivated and rested going into the NCAAs. They crushed Syracuse twice before but it is hard to the same team three times. I expected this but I don't think this is a bad thing especially if it fires them up.

Only bad part is I don't care that much for Jim Boeheim. Sorry to see him win.


Yeah I saw those plays. MCW would stay in school ideally. He's not ready for the NBA yet but I understand leaving if there's a chance he'll be a lotto pick.

Georgetown will be fine. It's a heartbreaker to lose like that and you know it's rough on Porter. You could see the emotion on his face. He'll be fine though. Not his best game but Georgetown has bigger fish to fry in the NCAA tourney. They've got a great chance at a Final Four run.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#622 » by Wizardspride » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:50 am

mhd wrote:You see the talent of Len. He'll be a better pro than college player because college is not suited to any big men.

Welcome aboard brother.


Been saying that for months now.


In fact, I think we NEED to take Len because frankly, I don't think Nene can be counted on at this point.


He gets no lift. At all....

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#623 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:03 am

I missed a lot of the Kansas game but what I caught was pretty rough for McLemore and I checked back through the highlights and saw he had a tough game. Got into early foul trouble and never really got a rhythm going. He turned it over a lot and didn't get his usual looks. He still flashed his talent though, making some really nice shots, including a fader in the lane as he was falling down. And to his credit, he doesn't ever force shots, even when he's struggling.

On the whole it wasn't really a great day for a lot of the top prospects. Oladipo was alright but he's been much better this season. Plumlee had good numbers but his team lost. Burke didn't have his best day shooting and got outplayed a bit by Trae Jackson. Len didn't really blow you away but he was solid and his team won. Porter had a rough day shooting too and McLemore had a minimal impact. I don't think we really learned a lot from those players today.

Zeller was the only one who really had a showcase performance so far. Hoping to see some great performances from Marcus Smart and Anthony Bennett.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#624 » by WizardsWorld » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:27 am

GLAD WE WON (UMD) But nope still down on Len as a Wizard. I think Len will be LUCKY to be as good as Spencer Hawes.... still on the Porter, Noel or BUST bandwagon...
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#625 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:16 am

Bennett has been starting at the 5 for UNLV for a little while and he's not super comfortable at the position. He actually looks more comfortable playing on ball D on the perimeter than playing the pivot. Just making errors coming over to help out late or going the wrong way around low screens. And he's not making much of an impact offensively from that position. His guards aren't getting him the ball inside, he's a lot more comfortable scoring from the perimeter. He's just nailing down threes and long jumpers from all kinds of range but when he's down low, he's getting ignored.

He's so powerful though. He's the strongest player on the court every game and he looks like establishing deep position and boxing out is easy for him.

I really like Bennett. I can envision a long term role for him in our organization. I think he could be a devastating pick and roll/fade weapon. His jumper is so pretty and his handles are slick.

Sometimes he looks so much like Grandmama.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#626 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:10 am

UNLV has some athletes. Bennett hasn't gotten a single touch in the second half I believe. He's in foul trouble too. Sill makes his physical presence felt. He just set such a hard pick he stoned a guy running full speed.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#627 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:48 am

Bennett finishes with 19 points on 6-8 shooting from the field. He got into foul trouble with three minutes left in the first half, never really got involved in the second half. He scored pretty much every time they gave him the ball but he barely got the ball. UNLV didn't need him to shoulder the load though, the whole team was playing pretty well. They are really really athletic and I think I'm going to pick them to make a little run in the tourney.

Bennett is really talented. He can score in so many different ways and he's great handles and a great jumper for a big man. I'm sold.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#628 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:34 pm

- Zeller & Dipo on CBS at 1:40
- Len, McAdoo on ESPN at 3:00
- Garry Harris on CBS at 4:00
- McLemore & Withey on ESPN at 6:00
- Bennett on CBS at 6:00
- MCW on ESPN at 8:30
- Shabazz on ESPN at 11:00 PM
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#629 » by popper » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:10 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Bennett finishes with 19 points on 6-8 shooting from the field. He got into foul trouble with three minutes left in the first half, never really got involved in the second half. He scored pretty much every time they gave him the ball but he barely got the ball. UNLV didn't need him to shoulder the load though, the whole team was playing pretty well. They are really really athletic and I think I'm going to pick them to make a little run in the tourney.

Bennett is really talented. He can score in so many different ways and he's great handles and a great jumper for a big man. I'm sold.


The Bullets drafted a guy many years ago that had a game similar to Bennett's (from what I understand from the descriptions on this thread). I think his name was John Williams, and like Bennett, he was supremely talented and strong. It didn't work out because Williams had weight issues and evidently lacked sufficient discipline and motivation to overcome. Does anyone have a feel for Bennett's attitude, discipline, motivation, etc.? Is he a good kid like Beal or is he a mental train wreck ready to derail the Wizard's rebuild like John Williams did.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#630 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:18 pm

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stevemcqueen1 wrote:Bennett finishes with 19 points on 6-8 shooting from the field. He got into foul trouble with three minutes left in the first half, never really got involved in the second half. He scored pretty much every time they gave him the ball but he barely got the ball. UNLV didn't need him to shoulder the load though, the whole team was playing pretty well. They are really really athletic and I think I'm going to pick them to make a little run in the tourney.

Bennett is really talented. He can score in so many different ways and he's great handles and a great jumper for a big man. I'm sold.


The Bullets drafted a guy many years ago that had a game similar to Bennett's (from what I understand from the descriptions on this thread). I think his name was John Williams, and like Bennett, he was supremely talented and strong. It didn't work out because Williams had weight issues and evidently lacked sufficient discipline and motivation to overcome. Does anyone have a feel for Bennett's attitude, discipline, motivation, etc.? Is he a good kid like Beal or is he a mental train wreck ready to derail the Wizard's rebuild like John Williams did.


Well it's hard to say from our vantage point. We don't really have access to much information about the intangible stuff at this juncture. All I've got is speculation based on in game body language and short interviews.

Bennett's interviews give me the impression that he's very young and somewhat carefree. He seems like a happy, nice kid--gregarious. Not as serious as Beal and Wall typically come off. Your typical Canadian really. But not a clown like JaVale was, not trying to make people laugh. He plays the game with some passion and exuberance but doesn't play angry or boil over with emotions. It's mostly displays of positive emotion like when he hits a three or throws down a big dunk. He doesn't really seem argue or get chippy, and yesterday I noticed a sequence where he fouled a guy hard and went out of his way to check on him, let him know he wasn't trying to be mean. That's not to say he plays soft though, he throws his weight around and seems very comfortable with contact.

My impression is that the game looks like it comes very easily to him and his low stress personality reflects that. He's so talented. I think you're going to be easy going when you're as big and strong as a silverback gorilla and also coordinated and have guard skills.

BBall IQ wise, I think he could get a little too aggressive at times and take some bad shots. He hit three 3 pters in a row in one stretch and was riding high--so high that on his next possession he got the ball in at about 18 feet in the corner, did a couple of between the legs size up dribbles then stepped back and took an off balance contested three. It made Doug Gottlieb laugh and say settle down big fella or something like that. Silly as that shot was, it was actually an impressive display of ball handling. And he does have a special talent for making the ball go in the hoop. He's got a pretty jumper and all kinds of finishes for when he gets into the lane and around the basket.

I don't want to make too much out of that one play anyway. He was 6-8 on the night. He's not a chucker and he's efficient. Once he matures as a player and starts removing shots like that from his game, he'll be very efficient.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#631 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:31 pm

Nerlens Noel is still currently 5th in the NCAA in blocks. His season ended over a month ago and he only played 24 games. Amazing. The game against Ole Miss was one of the most incredible displays of shotblocking I've ever seen. He blocked like seven shots after he got his fourth foul.
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Post#632 » by nate33 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:39 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Bennett's interviews give me the impression that he's very young and somewhat carefree. He seems like a happy, nice kid--gregarious. Not as serious as Beal and Wall typically come off. Your typical Canadian really. But not a clown like JaVale was, not trying to make people laugh. He plays the game with some passion and exuberance but doesn't play angry or boil over with emotions. It's mostly displays of positive emotion like when he hits a three or throws down a big dunk. He doesn't really seem argue or get chippy, and yesterday I noticed a sequence where he fouled a guy hard and went out of his way to check on him, let him know he wasn't trying to be mean. That's not to say he plays soft though, he throws his weight around and seems very comfortable with contact.

Kinda sounds like a description of Martell Webster. Positive, but laid back.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#633 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:26 pm

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stevemcqueen1 wrote:Bennett's interviews give me the impression that he's very young and somewhat carefree. He seems like a happy, nice kid--gregarious. Not as serious as Beal and Wall typically come off. Your typical Canadian really. But not a clown like JaVale was, not trying to make people laugh. He plays the game with some passion and exuberance but doesn't play angry or boil over with emotions. It's mostly displays of positive emotion like when he hits a three or throws down a big dunk. He doesn't really seem argue or get chippy, and yesterday I noticed a sequence where he fouled a guy hard and went out of his way to check on him, let him know he wasn't trying to be mean. That's not to say he plays soft though, he throws his weight around and seems very comfortable with contact.

Kinda sounds like a description of Martell Webster. Positive, but laid back.


Hmm, good call. I see what you mean. Though I doubt he's as smart as Martell. Martell is one of the smartest NBA players I've ever heard.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#634 » by Ruzious » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:24 pm

It's funny that Martell was considered a low BBIQ player, but from his interviews - he comes across as intelligent and well spoken. I think when people overrate the abilities of players, they figure - oh, he has all the talent in the world - he's just not smart. With Webster, he had serious back problems, and that was apparently the main reason he didn't reach the potential people thought he had when he was a mid lotto pick.

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Post#635 » by pancakes3 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:42 pm

There's nothing wrong with playing PF while having guard skills. Lebron is probably a hyperbole of this. However, even Lebron is playing PF these days and it's where he's most effective. I don't see a reason to put Bennett at sf other than he just really wants to. He could find great success as a PF who can dribble and take it to the hole (Griffin, Amare, KG, etc) but defensively he still needs to be in the post. It's a fool's errand to play him at SF.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#636 » by nate33 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:08 pm

Oladipo just pulled up for a step-back 20-footer. He airballed it about 3-feet short. His outside shot is definitely inconsistent. You can't trust him to knock down shots unless he is wide open. I'm thinking more and more that is ceiling is more like Tony Allen type of role player. He would have to improve quite a bit to be anything more than a 4th option at the NBA level. You really need the right type of offensive personnel at other positions to get by with him as your starting SG.
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Post#637 » by go'stags » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:16 pm

Literally the only use for Tony Allen in the half-court is as a guy who can cut backdoor if his man loses focus. Oladipo will be better than that. Juts don't ask him to take 20-ft step backs.
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Post#638 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:57 pm

nate33 wrote:Oladipo just pulled up for a step-back 20-footer. He airballed it about 3-feet short. His outside shot is definitely inconsistent. You can't trust him to knock down shots unless he is wide open. I'm thinking more and more that is ceiling is more like Tony Allen type of role player. He would have to improve quite a bit to be anything more than a 4th option at the NBA level. You really need the right type of offensive personnel at other positions to get by with him as your starting SG.


Yeah he's a bit inconsistent when he has to create off the dribble. He gets a little turnover prone too.

But in terms of build and even the way he moves around on the court, I think Oladipo is a 6'5 version of Luol Deng. Deng has a solid two or three inches on him and probably 10 to 15 pounds, which is significant. Oladipo is a true SG and Deng is a true SF. But their skill sets are very similar and their roles on the perimeter will be fairly similar as a result IMO. Oladipo is so long and athletic he'll be able to guard 1-3 in the NBA and also rebound.

I think he'd be an awesome guard to have coming off the bench but I'd be a little unsatisfied in getting him with our pick. I want a forward or a big man ideally. Someone that can pair with Beal and Wall long term and be a source of front court scoring. If we are going to get a guard, I'd prefer Shabazz because he has the size to split time between SG and SF.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#639 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:07 pm

pancakes3 wrote:There's nothing wrong with playing PF while having guard skills. Lebron is probably a hyperbole of this. However, even Lebron is playing PF these days and it's where he's most effective. I don't see a reason to put Bennett at sf other than he just really wants to. He could find great success as a PF who can dribble and take it to the hole (Griffin, Amare, KG, etc) but defensively he still needs to be in the post. It's a fool's errand to play him at SF.


Yeah there is definitely a place for those face up forwards and guys who can play out on the perimeter who in the old days would have been strict PFs posting up on the block. Bennett is a bit unlike other tweeners like Derrick Williams and Thaddeus Young in that he has a large body with a lot of NBA strength already. He's going to continue to gain muscle mass and get stronger as he ages too. He actually has the strength and girth to play a traditional back to basket PF role, just not the height.

I'd probably play him at both the three and four interchangeably. His comfort level playing on the perimeter is better despite his size. He does a better job playing on the ball on the perimeter than playing a low post defensive role. And he's most comfortable facing up on the wing or from > 15 feet and using his skills to isolate a mismatch on whoever the defense tries to stick on him.

He's a good three ball shooter too, something I would definitely want to utilize with Wall. That sets him apart from the PF/C tweeners you mentioned in Griffin, KG, and Amar'e. You can't play him at C because you want him to be able to get out beyond the 3 PT line.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#640 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:09 pm

Basically I think Bennett could have a ceiling of Larry Johnson and a floor of Paul Millsap. I think he's a rich man's Millsap.

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