Official Trade Thread XXII (2/6/13 - 4/1/13)

[hands11]

And once again most importantly I'll make the point that once our two budding superstars start to enter their prime in 4 years or so.... they will both be around 23/24 years old and LMA will be 32 and probably starting his decline. Much rather bring in a 20 year old Noel or Porter to grow with Wall and Beal.

Gotta add a young big and cheaper is better.

Now if we could get Monroe for Nene, that would be nice. But Detroit is growing a good young team already so why would they do that ?

Now Kanter might be available so give he wanted to be here, I could see that maybe happening.

But even if we draft down in the 10 range, there are plenty of bigs they could add on the cheap.

Things are getting really interesting if Wall and Beal are locked in playing well and Webster keeps can start at SF for a few years. Otto would still be a nice add to replace Trevor A for a lot less. And they could still find a way to get Withey later. That still looks like a solid build out.

Price is starting to look like he finally might get pushed back to 3rd PG and if they can add Pierre Jackson, I would really like the PG line up of Wall, Temple and Pierre.

Wall, Temple and Pierre
Beal
Webster/Otto or Bennett
Nene/Booker/Kevin
Okafor/Witney/Ves

C Singleton can stick around I guess. He is cheap for another year. Send him to DL.

Thats if Trevor A walks. Then they just have to go find a back up SG. If not a vet, maybe Snaer. Probably would be good to add a vet if Trevor A leaves. Keep some of that vet base on the team. It seems to be working.

Maybe Barbosa actually want to sign here.

That would still be a really young team.

[Ruzious]

Well, yeah, but LMA is going to be far to expensive. I mean we should not trade our pick, Beal is untouchable and they have no need for wall. the thing that makes us able to make a run at Kanter, Monroue and Thompson is that all those teams are going to be looking for an upgrade at point guard.

Agreed.

The whole point of a rookie deal, potential HOF player (or bust), is you don't even have to pay them for four years. LaMarcus Aldridge comes with a hefty price tag day one.

I cannot believe after the additions of Nene and Okafor that people on this board are ready to sign off on another near-30 year old player who makes over 13M over a draft pick that could become GREAT. I don't see adding Aldridge to team that loses all the darn time as the same as adding KG with Ray Allen to a player like Pierce. It's not the same as Pau coming to join Kobe, Bynum, and Artest. He's a good player but not a great.

Aldridge over even a player like Shabazz or Bennett does not make sense to me.

Aldridge had Camby, Andre Miller, Nicolas Batum, Jamal Crawford, and Wes Matthew as teammates and they didn't win JACK. I'm stunned at this stuff about giving up the lotto pick for Aldridge being a "no brainer".

Aldridge is 27 years old. When did 27 years old become near 30? And there's this new fangled thing called trades - that you could use with Nene or Okafor. But AGAIN this discussion is absurd, because Portland would never entertain trading Aldridge for just a pick in this year's draft. If you were Portland's GM and traded LMA even up for Shabazz, you would soon be fired. This reminds me of when some people were all over Danny Ainge for trading Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett. "KG never won anything in Minnesota - he killed them with his ridiculous salaries. And he takes too many jump shots. Blablabla."

[gambitx777]

I think we can just close the do on LMA, its a bad idea that will coast to much that will never happen any way. Lets just hope he get a new GM that takes us in the right direction. !

[shrink]

I remember there was some interest in Derrick Williams before the trade deadline, and he's playing better than ever:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/derrick_w ... plits.html

JAN - 24.1 mpg, 4.7 RPG, 11.0 PPG
FEB - 29.2 mpg, 8.2 RPG, 14.3 PPG
MAR - 33.9 mpg, 6.9 RPG, 17.1 PPG

Love will certainly be the main PF next season, so I'm wondering what kind of offer we might see from WAS this off-season?

[nate33]

I remember there was some interest in Derrick Williams before the trade deadline, and he's playing better than ever:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/derrick_w ... plits.html

JAN - 24.1 mpg, 4.7 RPG, 11.0 PPG
FEB - 29.2 mpg, 8.2 RPG, 14.3 PPG
MAR - 33.9 mpg, 6.9 RPG, 17.1 PPG

Love will certainly be the main PF next season, so I'm wondering what kind of offer we might see from WAS this off-season?

His "better than ever" is still pretty freakin' bad. Those February and March numbers might look decent at first glance, but dig a little deeper and you see that he is shooting 42% from the floor, 65% from the line, and 26% from 3-point range (TS% of .498) while leading his team to a 5-16 record. There's a ton of players in this league that can post decent scoring numbers with poor efficiency and bad defense. Call me when he actually posts a TS% north of .540. while winning some games.

[Liverbird]

I've been thinking that Larry Sanders would be a real nice fit for this team. He becomes a RFA the same time OkaRiza expire....what number would be too much for MIL to match and would that be over paying?

I really like what Webster brings and would still like to draft Porter and letting Ariza walk/expire. Our rotation of Beal//Porter/Webster would be really nice.

The key piece for us is Nene and finding a replacement with his skillset and BBIQ but unfortunately not many options out there. Does Zeller bring that playing as a PF?

[WizardsWorld]

I remember there was some interest in Derrick Williams before the trade deadline, and he's playing better than ever:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/derrick_w ... plits.html

JAN - 24.1 mpg, 4.7 RPG, 11.0 PPG
FEB - 29.2 mpg, 8.2 RPG, 14.3 PPG
MAR - 33.9 mpg, 6.9 RPG, 17.1 PPG

Love will certainly be the main PF next season, so I'm wondering what kind of offer we might see from WAS this off-season?

I have more interest in D.Williams than most Wiz fans.... and hell yeah I'd still be interested in getting him. If we fall out of the top 5 of the draft and can't get Otto Porter than I'd be down to do some deal revolving around Williams and our pick. If we cant get Porter or Noel than there isn't much else in this draft that interests me. Zeller is my third choice... but I rather grab Williams in a trade than draft Zeller.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

MINNEAPOLIS – For the past few weeks, Minnesota has gotten more of the production from Derrick Williams they expected from the former No. 2 overall draft pick.

Williams scored a career-high 28 points, and Minnesota got huge lifts in the final seconds from Nikola Pekovic and Andrei Kirilenko and beat the New Orleans Hornets 97-95.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/03/1 ... z2NtVWiCfz

--I would offer Vesely and a 2015 first, protected for Derrick Williams.

--I would offer Booker and Singleton and a 2nd for Derrick Williams

--Any combination of 1 rookie deal player (but not Seraphin or BEAL) and a protected 1st; or two rookie deal players and a 2nd for Derrick Williams is what I would offer.

I believe the Wizards are starting to see an encouraging trend in player development. Brad Beal stunk and got better in a hurry, but that's the same thing he did at Florida. He's a prodigy. Wall had the light come in his third season this past week. Okafor has regained his form in DC. Ariza is putting up his best career numbers or close. MONTELL WEBSTER is playing the best basketball of his career. Garrett Temple is finding a home with the Wizards. AJ Price has been rock solid in his role. Derrick Williams is a good reclamation candidate.

I remember what Derrick Williams did at Arizona. I trust my eye with him. What is he doing that is so bad in the NBA?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ting/2013/

Looking at the heat map, Williams is best shooting at the rim and his hot spot jump shot is from outside the left elbow extended and from three point distance. He gets in trouble shooting 3-10 feet and 16 feet to 3 pt, but he's a solid three point shooter for a big man. Heck yes, he can be a good stretch four!

I wouldn't give away to Minnesota another draft pick just on principle of what they already got from Washington in Rubio. But yes, Williams is a decent player who I wouldn't mind in a Wizards uni.

nate is right, there are better players out there. I like Williams, however, because at 21 he's going to get better. Kind of like Wall, he could just blow up at some point but at worst, he might end up like Antawn Jamison but lighter on the boards some day.

[nate33]

I've been thinking that Larry Sanders would be a real nice fit for this team. He becomes a RFA the same time OkaRiza expire....what number would be too much for MIL to match and would that be over paying?

I really like what Webster brings and would still like to draft Porter and letting Ariza walk/expire. Our rotation of Beal//Porter/Webster would be really nice.

The key piece for us is Nene and finding a replacement with his skillset and BBIQ but unfortunately not many options out there. Does Zeller bring that playing as a PF?

Production wise, he's on the same level as Serge Ibaka and DeAndre Jordan. My guess is that Milwaukee matches anything up to at least $12M. They'll probably even match a max offer. Basically, Sanders is unobtainable unless he has a horrible regression next year.

[Ruzious]

Sanders is a somewhat unique player. He's a smallball center. It'll be interesting to see how he does in the 1st round of the playoffs against Miami, because that's the kind of team he can excell against - where more typical centers wouldn't. I don't know if he'd fit into the NBA of 10 years ago. One problem he has - he has trouble controlling his temper with refs. He finally got called on it by the NBA with a 50,000 fine. I think that was actually a good thing for him - it was so high that he'll realize he needs to tone it down.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I like Sanders. That was classic the way he flipped off three refs without actually flipping them off. He got booted from the Milwaukee/Washington game. That guy is competitive. He is the anti-Seraphin, just full of meaning stats like rebounds and blocks with some scoring.

I don't mind a spirited guy like him or for the most part Cousins.

[bgroban]

I love Larry Sanders' game. He reminds me of a young Ben Wallace.

[gambitx777]

Yeah i t lke him to, but the bucks have a great big man with him and they are not letting him go.

[Upper Decker]

Ah to think, last year around this time Saunders looked like a bum. He had 3 double digit scoring out-puts last year and only 2 double-digit rebounding out-puts. Now he's a walking double-double.

Then think about Seraphin. Guy looked like a budding star. Strong post game, solid post defender. Guy scored double figures in 17 of his last 18 games last year. I bet if you offered Seraphin for Sanders Milwaukee would have been doing cart-wheels. Now if the Wizards luck into the first pick in this years draft I'd offer the pick, plus Serephin and cross my finders Milwaukee bites.

Any chance Vesely becomes the next Sanders? Go from 1st round bum to budding star in his 3rd year?

[gambitx777]

I would not offer a first rounder for sanders just yet, not with out getting a pick back from them. and with Jan, anything is possible. We really should have sent him to the D league this year !.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ah to think, last year around this time Saunders looked like a bum. He had 3 double digit scoring out-puts last year and only 2 double-digit rebounding out-puts. Now he's a walking double-double.

Then think about Seraphin. Guy looked like a budding star. Strong post game, solid post defender. Guy scored double figures in 17 of his last 18 games last year. I bet if you offered Seraphin for Sanders Milwaukee would have been doing cart-wheels. Now if the Wizards luck into the first pick in this years draft I'd offer the pick, plus Serephin and cross my finders Milwaukee bites.

Any chance Vesely becomes the next Sanders? Go from 1st round bum to budding star in his 3rd year?

Something tells me before the season is over that Seraphin is going to return. Do not base this season's performance with more weight than last. He is behind Okafor now. I think they've been beating up on Kevin in practice and maybe that is what is making him less patient at times because of his sparse minutes. He's been pressing all year coming off the bench after being so successful last season.

Wait and see is what I would do with Kevin. That post defense is something you don't toss away IMO.

[tontoz]

Seraphin's rebounding is worse than ever. However he is starting to pass out of double teams and is at least trying to take it to the basket sometimes. Baby steps I guess.

[dandrews]

Poked my head in this thread for the first time in a few months and the first thing I see is a Nene for Greg Monroe trade. Why would Detroit do this again?

[Dat2U]

With high lottery pick prospects looking pretty dim I'd be more open to a deal like this now:

Wizards trade:
C Emeka Okafor
F/C Kevin Seraphin
2013 1st round pick

Kings trade:
C DeMarcus Cousins
G/F John Salmons (2 years left, final year not guaranteed)

[fishercob]

With high lottery pick prospects looking pretty dim I'd be more open to a deal like this now:

Wizards trade:
C Emeka Okafor
F/C Kevin Seraphin
2013 1st round pick

Kings trade:
C DeMarcus Cousins
G/F John Salmons (2 years left, final year not guaranteed)

Certainly worth discussing. What's our downside?

Cousins could fail -- fail to get his behavior under control (his teammates reportedly hate him), and fail to play winning team ball. Beyond that (and outside of what we'd be shipping out) there isn't much. Salmons would count $1M in dead money against our '14 cap, but we're not taking on any longer term money. In fact, this deal saves us $4M+ next season (plus what we'd pay our pick). I think we'd need to take more back from Sacto, possibly Travis Outlaw.

On the upside, a motivated Cousins could be a force with Nene, Wall, Beal, Webster, etc. I would probably do this deal expect Sacto/Seattle to want more.

I wonder if this deal becomes more realistic if Seattle gets the Kings. They may figure they'll have so much good feeling from the fanbase that they can suck for a while and keep fan interest -- but they really don't want a malcontent starting things off the wrong way.