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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#141 » by penquin11 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:54 pm

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Sik Infant wrote:Please do note even begin to put Kemba and Austin Rivers in the same stratosphere.


Why not ? Neither will be perennial All Stars and both are ideally suited as instant offense off of the bench players.


Kemba Walker has massively upgraded his game since his rookie season, who knows what he will be able to do next year. I think its too early to judge him as a "off the bench player" especially given how much he has improved while with the Lolcats. He is by far our best player right now despite being only in his second year....

The other issue I have with what you said is that Rivers isn't really providing any offense, he isn't a great shooter, doesn't drive well, has no vision, and on top of it all he can't play a lick of defense.....
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#142 » by BigSlam » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:18 pm

Sachmo wrote:No worries swede.

Got an audible LOL from me.
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#143 » by fatlever » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:25 pm

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Sachmo wrote:No worries swede.

Got an audible LOL from me.


im slow, that joke went over my head when i read sachmo's post. waste of a brilliant pun on me.
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#144 » by Leolovinliberal » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:36 pm

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Leolovinliberal wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Please do note even begin to put Kemba and Austin Rivers in the same stratosphere.


Why not ? Neither will be perennial All Stars and both are ideally suited as instant offense off of the bench players.


Kemba Walker has massively upgraded his game since his rookie season, who knows what he will be able to do next year. I think its too early to judge him as a "off the bench player" especially given how much he has improved while with the Lolcats. He is by far our best player right now despite being only in his second year....

The other issue I have with what you said is that Rivers isn't really providing any offense, he isn't a great shooter, doesn't drive well, has no vision, and on top of it all he can't play a lick of defense.....


Kemba has improved, I agree. He has become slightly more efficient, but he's still not a true pg and he never will be. I think AR will have a similar improvement in his sophomore year as well, maybe not #'s wise, but % wise. The point is, neither are ideally starters on championship caliber teams, which one hopes is Cho and MJ's aspiration. Kemba ideally should fill BG's role, but with a better attitude and less stank face. A true pg, i.e Grevious Vasquez would be ideal for this team, since he's quite tall, this would allow Kemba to play off the ball, his natural position.
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#145 » by fatlever » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:45 pm

its very possible that rivers makes a similar jump next year, but to be fair to kemba, lets wait until rivers takes that next step to compare him to kemba.

kemba may prove to ideally be a 6th man on a contending level team, but rivers hasnt show that he deserves to even be in a rotation on any team, let alone a contending one.
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#146 » by SWedd523 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:29 pm

Sachmo wrote:No worries swede.

Foye is an interesting choice SI.

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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#147 » by LamarMatic7 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:39 pm

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Sachmo wrote:No worries swede.

Foye is an interesting choice SI.

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Post#148 » by Elden Payton » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:18 pm

Sachmo wrote:Foye is an interesting choice SI.


Foye at 4m is good value, he's a vet presence who is a decent scorer, can backup point in the pinch and has really found his range in Utah.

I think he set the Utah record for threes made in a season against us.

These type of players are sleepers but would improve us greatly in terms of depth and professionalism.
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#150 » by Diop » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:35 am

So according to Bonnell we should trade our first round pick for Pau Gasol.

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@ahura23 Pau Gasol

I know we are competiting for the championship now but do we even have the $20 million cap space?
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#151 » by penquin11 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:27 am

Leolovinliberal wrote:Kemba has improved, I agree. He has become slightly more efficient, but he's still not a true pg and he never will be. I think AR will have a similar improvement in his sophomore year as well, maybe not #'s wise, but % wise. The point is, neither are ideally starters on championship caliber teams, which one hopes is Cho and MJ's aspiration. Kemba ideally should fill BG's role, but with a better attitude and less stank face. A true pg, i.e Grevious Vasquez would be ideal for this team, since he's quite tall, this would allow Kemba to play off the ball, his natural position.


Thats looking at the numbers, but in looking at the tape he does make good passes. But we can also talk numbers if you want; our team FG% average (of all players) is 41.9%, this isn't due to a lack of good setups, but rather as a result of poor Post play (which would yield high FG%) and a lack of shooting skill.

To put this number in perspective consider that we are the worst in the league with this number, with the next worst team (Indiana) shooting 43.3%.... Might not seem like a big difference, but for it being between the worst and 2nd worst it is huge, if you were to add the difference in the percentages to Indiana's FG% they would go from having the 29th ranked FG% to having the 16th ranked FG%.... Without any post players to run the offense through the Lolcats are forced to rely on ineffective Mid-range or contested close/inside shots... Its a miracle that Walker manages 5 assists a game in my eyes....

If we want to Advance as a team then we desperately need someone who can score efficiently in the Post... Ala a Luis Scola (prime) esc player or such would work wonders for us... Heck I would even settle for Tyler Zeller given that he would give us an inside presence.
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#152 » by LamarMatic7 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:24 am

Somehow, some way we're the most efficient fast break team in the NBA. At least according to this site:
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/fa ... efficiency

I don't know what this stat takes into consideration or whether it is reliable, saw Trey Kerby from TBJ using it for a column on Denver. I suppose it should be correct, however, I find it tough to believe that we're better than Miami or Houston, per example. Top 10? Sure. Not the best though...

(Didn't know which thread would fit this stat the best)
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Post#153 » by Elden Payton » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:39 am

Create a peculiar statistics thread Lamar.

Crazy info.
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#154 » by LamarMatic7 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:43 am

It does kind of make sense as our guards (mostly Kemba, Sessions and Hendo) do seem to convert most of their 2 on 1 fast breaks. Kemba will have a couple of clear path fastbreaks every game as well. I guess MKG and Taylor usually finish their drives to the basket on the break. But somehow it's hard to the believe that our sloppy Bobcats could be in the first place in a department that requires execution and good passing.
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#155 » by LamarMatic7 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:44 am

Sik Infant wrote:Create a peculiar statistics thread Lamar.

Crazy info.

Only downside is that we're 29th or 30th in almost every statistic there is.
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Post#156 » by Elden Payton » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:00 pm

Fast breaks, opponent threes, Hendo big market games and Kemba away splits are intriguing storylines, statistical analysis of such would be worth discussion.

I know we have the please shoot threes thread but maybe that could be expanded upon?
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#157 » by LamarMatic7 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:27 pm

Sik Infant wrote:Fast breaks, opponent threes, Hendo big market games and Kemba away splits are intriguing storylines, statistical analysis of such would be worth discussion.

I know we have the please shoot threes thread but maybe that could be expanded upon?

I might do the Hendo big market games research tonight. Do you think I should go further back than the 2011/12 season?
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Post#158 » by thruthefire » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:10 pm

RealGM has splits by opponent quality:

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Ger ... lar_Season

Against top 10 teams, he's averaging 14 points on 45% in 29 minutes; against bottom 10 teams, he's averaging 14.9 points on 45% shooting in 31.2 minutes.

Of course, top 10/bottom 10 doesn't necessarily represent big market/small market...
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#159 » by penquin11 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:58 pm

We were the 2nd most efficient team on fastbreaks last year as well.... However, the number of fastbreaks we had compared to everyone else was pathetic.... If I had to take a wild guess I would say that is probably the case this year, after-all defense and quick rebounds usually set up fastbreak scoring opportunities...
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Re: The Official "Build For The Future" Thread 

Post#160 » by countryboi » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:15 am

Did anyone go to the season ticket meeting with mj and cho?
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