Sam Cassell Retrospect: Hall of Famer?

[blackstar]

A role player doesn't get labelled as part of a big 3 (Bucks, Twolves), and become a team's best player at the age of 36. Honestly I would've expected more coming from a mod.

Cassell didn't make the all star team when he was 36, or any all NBA team, but he was a better player than a guy who was on the second team, played 5 more minutes per game, and vastly outproduced him on both ends of the floor. Elton Brand was way better than Cassell.

The "big 3" argument is the stupidest thing I ever heard. The Wolves were 1 MVP candidate, a washed up Spreewell, and Cassell getting his first all star appearance and all NBA honors.

Being one of the 3 best players on a team doesn't make you a star. Put Cassell in the HOF, then start putting all the guys who were getting in the all star game and all NBA teams above him.

Cassell was a bench player (17 minutes and 23 minutes) on the two title teams with Houston, and a total negative in his 12 minutes per game(in the post season) in Boston's title run.

He was a non all star his entire career until one very good season where he got put next to a dominant MVP. He wasn't a significant presence on any title teams either like a Tony Parker or even Chauncey Billups.

Really good player, not a hall of famer in the least. I would expect more from someone that claims to have watched any significant amount of basketball.

Way to color a story to favor your viewpoint.

A washed up Spree and a role player in Cassell were the lynchpins in getting an "MVP candidate" past the first round for the 1st time and nearly to the NBA finals? I'm sure that's exactly how it played out.

If you actually watched that Clipper team more than a few games here and there, you would have known that Cassell was the most important player on that team. Talentwise, yes, Brand was the best player on that team. But that team went as Cassell went. He hit the big shots, he controlled the tempo, he ran the plays, he made the right plays at the right time.

I like how you conveniently neglected his time on the Bucks, maybe your memory doesn't extend that far or you're just deliberately trying to avoid facts to prove your argument. That Bucks team was one of the best teams in the East, achieved plenty of playoff success, and the big 3 of Cassell, Allen, and Robinson was well-respected and accepted around the league.

I already said he deserved more all-stars and individual accolades than he got.

Him being an hall of famer is arguable, depending on your criteria and bar. But if your criteria for HOF is someone like Horry, and I hear his name come up a lot in HOF discussions, then Cassell is a no-brainer.

Try as you might, you're not going to convince a lot of people that Cassell was a role player.

[NO-KG-AI]

I'm not trying to convince anyone. If people think Cassell was better than Brand, or that Horry should be considered for the HOF, there is no point talking. Logic clearly has no place here

[blackstar]

You can stick to your "logic" and I'll stick to mine.

[Blame Rasho]

You can stick to your "logic" and I'll stick to mine.

You might as well stick every role player who has won several championship and that has gotten one all NBA nod using your logic.

[Blame Rasho]

I'm not trying to convince anyone. If people think Cassell was better than Brand, or that Horry should be considered for the HOF, there is no point talking. Logic clearly has no place here

Horry isn't in serious conversations as a HOFer, but he seems to think so...

[JimmyTD3]

You can stick to your "logic" and I'll stick to mine.

16/3/6 player with one All-Star team in the hall of fame? Just because he was a second/third option on some good teams, and arguably a first option for one year on a team that got to the second round?

No way.

[GSP]

Hellllllllllllllll no

[MikeLowrey]

Hall of Ugly? Yes

[NO-KG-AI]

Random note, I hate when an idea is so bad, I'm forced to take a negative stance on a player I was a big fan of.

[Doctor MJ]

A role player doesn't get labelled as part of a big 3 (Bucks, Twolves), and become a team's best player at the age of 36. Honestly I would've expected more coming from a mod.

You had me sympathetic until you mentioned the age 36 stuff. That's just weird man. That was Elton Brand's team, and they had an incredible matchup advantage in the 2nd round of the playoffs that let Brand score at will. Had Cassell actually been a strong distributor they might have won. Instead I can't tell you how often he rushed a 3 in transition "because he was open" instead of waiting for the nearly guaranteed bucket from Brand.

It's unfair to call Cassell just a role player. He was good, and honestly were it up to me he's have been an all-star more than once. We should not mythologize him though. He was neither someone who could be a dominant scorer nor a world class playmaker...and those were really his two main skills. That's why he was a lower tier all-star, and why he's really not someone who should get a push for the Hall.

[TheExperts]

Do HOFers get 8 second violations? I think not.

[blackstar]

You can stick to your "logic" and I'll stick to mine.

You might as well stick every role player who has won several championship and that has gotten one all NBA nod using your logic.

You don't seem to understand what we're discussing. My logic tells me Cassell wasn't a role player. Yours clearly doesn't.

[blackstar]

I'm not trying to convince anyone. If people think Cassell was better than Brand, or that Horry should be considered for the HOF, there is no point talking. Logic clearly has no place here

Horry isn't in serious conversations as a HOFer, but he seems to think so...

Reading comprehension fail. I'm not an advocate of Horry for HOF, but a lot of people are. According to THOSE people's standards, Cassell should be a lock for the HOF. Now if your standard for HOF is players like Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and Lebron, then Cassell obviously doesn't belong there.

I'm not a strong advocate for Cassell being in the HOF. A ROLE PLAYER though, he most definitely was not.

[druggas]

A role player doesn't get labelled as part of a big 3 (Bucks, Twolves), and become a team's best player at the age of 36. Honestly I would've expected more coming from a mod.

Cassell didn't make the all star team when he was 36, or any all NBA team, but he was a better player than a guy who was on the second team, played 5 more minutes per game, and vastly outproduced him on both ends of the floor. Elton Brand was way better than Cassell.

The "big 3" argument is the stupidest thing I ever heard. The Wolves were 1 MVP candidate, a washed up Spreewell, and Cassell getting his first all star appearance and all NBA honors.

Being one of the 3 best players on a team doesn't make you a star. Put Cassell in the HOF, then start putting all the guys who were getting in the all star game and all NBA teams above him.

Cassell was a bench player (17 minutes and 23 minutes) on the two title teams with Houston, and a total negative in his 12 minutes per game(in the post season) in Boston's title run.

He was a non all star his entire career until one very good season where he got put next to a dominant MVP. He wasn't a significant presence on any title teams either like a Tony Parker or even Chauncey Billups.

Really good player, not a hall of famer in the least. I would expect more from someone that claims to have watched any significant amount of basketball.

Way to color a story to favor your viewpoint.

A washed up Spree and a role player in Cassell were the lynchpins in getting an "MVP candidate" past the first round for the 1st time and nearly to the NBA finals? I'm sure that's exactly how it played out.

If you actually watched that Clipper team more than a few games here and there, you would have known that Cassell was the most important player on that team. Talentwise, yes, Brand was the best player on that team. But that team went as Cassell went. He hit the big shots, he controlled the tempo, he ran the plays, he made the right plays at the right time.

I like how you conveniently neglected his time on the Bucks, maybe your memory doesn't extend that far or you're just deliberately trying to avoid facts to prove your argument. That Bucks team was one of the best teams in the East, achieved plenty of playoff success, and the big 3 of Cassell, Allen, and Robinson was well-respected and accepted around the league.

I already said he deserved more all-stars and individual accolades than he got.

Him being an hall of famer is arguable, depending on your criteria and bar. But if your criteria for HOF is someone like Horry, and I hear his name come up a lot in HOF discussions, then Cassell is a no-brainer.

Try as you might, you're not going to convince a lot of people that Cassell was a role player.

That was no big 3.

[blackstar]

You can stick to your "logic" and I'll stick to mine.

16/3/6 player with one All-Star team in the hall of fame? Just because he was a second/third option on some good teams, and arguably a first option for one year on a team that got to the second round?

No way.

Therefore he wasn't a role player yes? Good, point proven. That's my argument. Some people are selling Cassell waaay short by calling him a role player.

People seem fixated on me saying he is a HOFer when I just said that depended on your bar for HOF.

[blackstar]

Cassell didn't make the all star team when he was 36, or any all NBA team, but he was a better player than a guy who was on the second team, played 5 more minutes per game, and vastly outproduced him on both ends of the floor. Elton Brand was way better than Cassell.

The "big 3" argument is the stupidest thing I ever heard. The Wolves were 1 MVP candidate, a washed up Spreewell, and Cassell getting his first all star appearance and all NBA honors.

Being one of the 3 best players on a team doesn't make you a star. Put Cassell in the HOF, then start putting all the guys who were getting in the all star game and all NBA teams above him.

Cassell was a bench player (17 minutes and 23 minutes) on the two title teams with Houston, and a total negative in his 12 minutes per game(in the post season) in Boston's title run.

He was a non all star his entire career until one very good season where he got put next to a dominant MVP. He wasn't a significant presence on any title teams either like a Tony Parker or even Chauncey Billups.

Really good player, not a hall of famer in the least. I would expect more from someone that claims to have watched any significant amount of basketball.

Way to color a story to favor your viewpoint.

A washed up Spree and a role player in Cassell were the lynchpins in getting an "MVP candidate" past the first round for the 1st time and nearly to the NBA finals? I'm sure that's exactly how it played out.

If you actually watched that Clipper team more than a few games here and there, you would have known that Cassell was the most important player on that team. Talentwise, yes, Brand was the best player on that team. But that team went as Cassell went. He hit the big shots, he controlled the tempo, he ran the plays, he made the right plays at the right time.

I like how you conveniently neglected his time on the Bucks, maybe your memory doesn't extend that far or you're just deliberately trying to avoid facts to prove your argument. That Bucks team was one of the best teams in the East, achieved plenty of playoff success, and the big 3 of Cassell, Allen, and Robinson was well-respected and accepted around the league.

I already said he deserved more all-stars and individual accolades than he got.

Him being an hall of famer is arguable, depending on your criteria and bar. But if your criteria for HOF is someone like Horry, and I hear his name come up a lot in HOF discussions, then Cassell is a no-brainer.

Try as you might, you're not going to convince a lot of people that Cassell was a role player.

That was no big 3.

Did you watch basketball around that time? Search "Cassell Allen Robinson big three" on Google and you can still find articles, discussions, and websites about it. Whether you personally agree with it or not, it was clearly a well-accepted big 3 around the league.

[cdubbz]

i think it's dumb to say he was a role player his career. He was a great point guard and any team in the league would be in good hands if he was their starting point guard. wouldn't say he was elite, but dude could play.

[druggas]

Way to color a story to favor your viewpoint.

A washed up Spree and a role player in Cassell were the lynchpins in getting an "MVP candidate" past the first round for the 1st time and nearly to the NBA finals? I'm sure that's exactly how it played out.

If you actually watched that Clipper team more than a few games here and there, you would have known that Cassell was the most important player on that team. Talentwise, yes, Brand was the best player on that team. But that team went as Cassell went. He hit the big shots, he controlled the tempo, he ran the plays, he made the right plays at the right time.

I like how you conveniently neglected his time on the Bucks, maybe your memory doesn't extend that far or you're just deliberately trying to avoid facts to prove your argument. That Bucks team was one of the best teams in the East, achieved plenty of playoff success, and the big 3 of Cassell, Allen, and Robinson was well-respected and accepted around the league.

I already said he deserved more all-stars and individual accolades than he got.

Him being an hall of famer is arguable, depending on your criteria and bar. But if your criteria for HOF is someone like Horry, and I hear his name come up a lot in HOF discussions, then Cassell is a no-brainer.

Try as you might, you're not going to convince a lot of people that Cassell was a role player.

That was no big 3.

Did you watch basketball around that time? Search "Cassell Allen Robinson big three" on Google and you can still find articles, discussions, and websites about it. Whether you personally agree with it or not, it was clearly a well-accepted big 3 around the league.[/quote]
I've been watching basketball longer than you've been alive, and they still aren't a big 3 and never were.

[blackstar]

^You can keep saying that and a million of sources will still prove you wrong.

[druggas]

^You can keep saying that and a million of sources will still prove you wrong.

Were you even old enough to know who they were?