Sam Cassell Retrospect: Hall of Famer?

[blackstar]

^You can keep saying that and a million of sources will still prove you wrong.

Were you even old enough to know who they were?

And how damn old are you?

[humblebum]

Don't think he'll make the hall but Sam Cassell was a serious ball player. One of my favorite players of his era and a true pro. He's absolutely not a role player, though he had most of his team success in that role, dude was a legit stud top 3 player on a championship contender.

[druggas]

^You can keep saying that and a million of sources will still prove you wrong.

Were you even old enough to know who they were?

And how damn old are you?

Old enough to have watched Lakers with West and Baylor.

You?

[blackstar]

Were you even old enough to know who they were?

And how damn old are you?

Old enough to have watched Lakers with West and Baylor.

You?

Older than 80% of the people on this board. Obviously with a much better memory than you though.

[druggas]

Better memory? Don't kid yourself.

[blackstar]

Better memory? Don't kid yourself.

Look old man, I don't care what your personal opinion is, to be honest. The only thing I care about is the general concensus. And you're not going to deny the multitude of sources out there supporting a popularly held opinion.

[Blame Rasho]

My goodness... you are really dense. He was a role player, nothing more during the time he won a championships with the Rockets and as a spare with Boston. How do you not follow that? In his time that he wasn't a role player, he had only one all NBA nod to his resume and didn't stand out compared to his contemporary peers various years. It is clear that you are just arguing with people for the sake of arguing.

[Blame Rasho]

I'm not trying to convince anyone. If people think Cassell was better than Brand, or that Horry should be considered for the HOF, there is no point talking. Logic clearly has no place here

Horry isn't in serious conversations as a HOFer, but he seems to think so...

Reading comprehension fail. I'm not an advocate of Horry for HOF, but a lot of people are. According to THOSE people's standards, Cassell should be a lock for the HOF. Now if your standard for HOF is players like Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and Lebron, then Cassell obviously doesn't belong there.

I'm not a strong advocate for Cassell being in the HOF. A ROLE PLAYER though, he most definitely was not.

Where are the lot of people saying that Horry is a HOF? So according these idiots, wherever they may be, saying that Horry is a HOF, that means Cassell is one... great....but the funny thing is that you are the one who is mentioning Horry alongside the HOF. You sure seem to advocating for Cassell given how you are going on and on about him.

[Mykhyn]

Blackstar has to be Sam Cassell.

Sam Cassell was a role player. 15/6 is nothing more than a role player. That would make every single starting PG in the league currently a lock for HoF.

[blackstar]

My goodness... you are really dense. He was a role player, nothing more during the time he won a championships with the Rockets and as a spare with Boston. How do you not follow that? In his time that he wasn't a role player, he had only one all NBA nod to his resume and didn't stand out compared to his contemporary peers various years. It is clear that you are just arguing with people for the sake of arguing.

SMH...

Go quote my first post in this thread.

Are you sure you should be calling others dense?

[blackstar]

Blackstar has to be Sam Cassell.

Sam Cassell was a role player. 15/6 is nothing more than a role player. That would make every single starting PG in the league currently a lock for HoF.

Great, in-depth basketball analysis there.

[richboy]

Cassell not a HOFer. HOwever since Reggie Miller is somehow a second ballot HOFer who knows. PER would suggest he should have made more all-star teams and was better than people gave credit. Some advance numbers would suggest he is better than Jason Kidd.

[ISB]

I really liked Cassel. I think he was definitely better than "just a role player". Of course, that doesn't mean he is anywhere near HoF caliber.

I don't think it's entirely crazy to put Cassel up their with Parker and Billups (who I think are a HoF lock and a legit possibility, respectively), but at the end of the day Cassel just wasn't quite good enough. For me a player of his caliber needs a title during their prime to get consideration. Role player on title teams + fringe all star on mediocre teams is not enough.

[Doctor MJ]

Cassell not a HOFer. HOwever since Reggie Miller is somehow a second ballot HOFer who knows.

Even if you disagree with Miller making the Hall of Fame you shouldn't be confused how he got in given his, you know, fame.

[Doctor MJ]

Better memory? Don't kid yourself.

I don't understand why you are making this particular exchange so damn prolonged. For crying out loud. People DID call those guys a Big 3. If you simply judge them to be unworthy of the title SAY that rather than letting this devolve into two guys saying "My memory is better than yours."

That's me assuming you knowledge of course. If you literally don't remember those guys being called the Big 3, then yes, your memory does suck.

[soxfan2003]

I know many will disagree but even as a Celtic fan, I'd have Sam Cassell in the HOF before Dennis Johnson. Dennis Johnson peaked as a better player with Seattle but I think Sam Cassell had more seasons as a legit top 15-35 player. Cassell had 8 years scoring over 18 ppg.

And another more modern day comparison, I frankly think Sam Cassell had a better career then Allen Iverson. He played many more years and even factoring in playing when he was older and slower, Cassell's true shooting percentage for his career is 54.4% while Iverson's is around 51.8%. And Cassell was also a better shooter in the post season as well. Yes, Iverson had a much higher scoring average but what is the point of doing so with mediocre efficiency.

As a player like Iverson gets overrated for his volume shooting, a more efficient scorer in Cassell gets underrated. Now Iverson's supporters will say that he led the 76ers to the finals. I think that is BS. The 76ers had a mediocre offense and Iverson was largely responsible for that since he was such a volume shooter. They went to the finals because of great defense, Mutombo getting hot on offense in the playoffs and actually commanding double teams and the Eastern Conference being weak.

Neither Iverson or Cassell were known for the defense but Cassell was clearly the better team player.

Would I vote Cassell into the HOF? Probably not but it would be close but I would certainly vote for him before Iverson, DJ and probably another 10-15 HOFers. And I would vote Dennis Johnson into the HOF before Iverson. I'd rather have a very good role player for most of his career in DJ then a fraudulent star/MVP.

[HomoSapien]

Sam was routinely regarded as one of the most underrated guards during his time in the league. During his prime, he was certainly more than a role player. I mean from 97-04 he had a PER over 20 each season. That's mad consistency. It's too bad he got traded for Barkley. I think had he been given the chance to become the Rocket's point guard, he would have been viewed as a more important player.

As someone else mentioned, he probably was on par with guys like Billups and Parker. The reason those guys are HOF candidates and Sam isn't, is because they were more responsible for their teams' rings than Sam was.

[Liver_Pooty]

When I read the title of this thread I thought it was a joke.

Guess I was wrong.

[orange_juice32]

Horry isn't in serious conversations as a HOFer, but he seems to think so...

Reading comprehension fail. I'm not an advocate of Horry for HOF, but a lot of people are. According to THOSE people's standards, Cassell should be a lock for the HOF. Now if your standard for HOF is players like Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and Lebron, then Cassell obviously doesn't belong there.

I'm not a strong advocate for Cassell being in the HOF. A ROLE PLAYER though, he most definitely was not.

So the last few pages have been you setting up nonsensical straw man points to argue against.

NO ONE who knows ball thinks Horry is a hall of famer, so kill that noise first of all.

Secondly, the original quote was the guy saying Cassell was a roleplayer on his championship teams, which he was. You even took that into account in your reply, but for some reason, you've completely ditched that and made it out like the guy was calling Cassell a roleplayer for his whole career.

Come on now. Sam Cassell is not hall of fame worthy. Very good PG though. and lol @ Cassell being better than Brand on that team. There are two ends of the floor my friend.

[ElectricMayhem]

The HoF is becoming a joke. Cassell was a very solid player but the fact that somebody can pose this question and not get absolutely flamed for it says a lot about the current state of the HoF. This is not a dig at the OP at all, just at the HoF and the lax criteria they have now.

Which players exactly have been inducted that make it a joke? Which players have gotten in under the lax criteria? Rodman or Reggie? Not a Goose Tatum fan? Players these days not living up to the standards of Paul Endacott and Bernard Borgmann?