Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edition)

KillMonger · Post #861 » by **KillMonger** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:44 pm

me personally i would be ecstatic with either Smart or Noel but if i had my choice it would be Smart. To me our PG situation needs to be sorted out sooner rather than later. Meer isn't getting any younger and is racking up injuries, also while he's putting up decent numbers i'm not quite sure his style of play will still continue to be effective for the team we're trying to build here.

Smart and Noel to me are both projects, they're far from finished products but Smart to me is a safer choice. Noel has a higher ceiling than Smart but he has farther to go to reach that potential than Smart, Can't just overlook the injury either since it's not his first one. It's even been speculated that the injury he got in high school might have attributed to this recent one, link below

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basket ... -no-1-pick

i think you can't go wrong either way but there is a lot to consider, Including how coach will play Noel. If coach is dead set on playing Harris at the PF i think he pretty much earned that spot because i doubt coach is taking Harkless out the lineup. What happens then? Do we toss Nicholson who has shown enough promise to at least keep around another few years or so? If we keep him we'll have another log jam, while it's somewhat easy to take care of we would have to get rid of someone we like.

To me it just seems like the way the roster is now it's set up perfect for a rookie PG to slide right in and become Meer's understudy until a few years from now when we're a good team again. Wish we could get them both man lol we have tough decisions coming up that's for sure.

Gomagic44 · Post #862 » by **Gomagic44** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:43 am

Neon1 wrote:
BaunceyChillups wrote: Smart being a flopper at times doesn't mean his defense is gimmicky, his absurdly high steal rate and formidable DRTG don't lie.

The Magic backcourt has been small and decrepit for years now, it's natural to want to improve that first when we already have some young pieces in the front. Moreover, while I like Noel, I'm not that excited about him because his offensive upside isn't there.

If we want to improve our defense and shot-blocking up front, why spend a top pick on it when there are guys like Jeff Withey available later?

Whithey cannot guard PF's and neither can Vucci. The reason i single out Noel is because he is the only one there with the unique combination on Center length + Forward defensive range, quickness and agility.

To me Noel allows you to have a complete and frontcourt.

Base lineup (solid all around)
SF Harris
PF Noel
C Vucevic

Offensive lineup (while still covering the rim)
SF Harris
PF Nicholson
C Noel

Fast and athletic ()
SF Harkless
PF Harris
C Noel

Besides the on court, Noel also covers you long term in the event you lose Vucci, dont want to match him, or or have to include him in a mega deal.

I have no input really, as I pay little attention to NCAA basketball. However, I just wanted to thank you all
For your insight! The Noel idea seems fine IMHO

Gomagic44 · Post #863 » by **Gomagic44** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:55 am

.....hours later....as we want a STAR who will come next year...that's the plan,right?....right?

MagicFan32 · Post #864 » by **MagicFan32** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:51 am

you guys are putting to much faith into Smart

drsd · Post #865 » by **drsd** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:38 am

MagicFan32 wrote:you guys are putting to much faith into Smart

I really see Smart as this year's Hasheem Thabeet/Michael Beasley/Adam Morrison/Darko Milicic/Kwame Brown/Stromile Swift/Michael Olowokandi: A career 6th man forced to start given a high selection.

In my opinion, Marcus Smart's game does not translate to "Starting NBA PG". Maybe he could be an OK SG, but I see his game as best suited to be a 20 mpg guy off of the bench.

TRADE DOWN or bust.

I would much rather Orlando selects Victor Oladipo AND Michael Carter-Williams (trade with Phoenix) than any one player named in the top 5.

This draft looks to be 2000-bad:
WIKI:2000 NBA draft

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Jiwol · Post #866 » by **Jiwol** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:30 pm

The more I read your comments, the more I'm convinced that trading down (or even out) wouldn't be that bad idea this year.

magicman123 · Post #867 » by **magicman123** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:50 pm

Trade down? For what? we gotta suck it up and draft whoever is available in a poor class

drsd · Post #868 » by **drsd** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:31 pm

Jiwol wrote:The more I read your comments, the more I'm convinced that trading down (or even out) wouldn't be that bad idea this year.

An interesting thought. Would Orlando for instance trade a high 1st, the TPE, and Harrington to Chicago for Marquis Teague, Carlos Boozer, and a future first?

This creates a PG upgrade, a massive expiring that arises during a nice off-season FA market, and a 1st in a draft worth drafting in.

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OrlChamps2030 · Post #869 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:52 pm

drsd wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:you guys are putting to much faith into Smart

I really see Smart as this year's Hasheem Thabeet/Michael Beasley/Adam Morrison/Darko Milicic/Kwame Brown/Stromile Swift/Michael Olowokandi: A career 6th man forced to start given a high selection.

In my opinion, Marcus Smart's game does not translate to "Starting NBA PG". Maybe he could be an OK SG, but I see his game as best suited to be a 20 mpg guy off of the bench.

TRADE DOWN or bust.

I would much rather Orlando selects Victor Oladipo AND Michael Carter-Williams (trade with Phoenix) than any one player named in the top 5.

This draft looks to be 2000-bad:
WIKI:2000 NBA draft

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Not sure MCW is the guy I'd want to target in the middle of the first. I'd rather have Burke, McCollum, Gobert, Cauley-Stein, Goodwin, or Adams (if he comes out).

Lorenzo Brown and Brandon Paul are two guys I'd take a look at in the 2nd

MagicMan89 · Post #870 » by **MagicMan89** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:55 pm

The best option as to be adding an unprotected 2014 1st from a lotto bound team. Nobody this year has the star potential available at the top of 2014.
Teams to watch
Atlanta (They can offer the better pick of thiers or Brooklyn)
Cleveland
New Orleans
Phoenix
Utah
Washington
Teams like Cleveland, New Orleans, Utah and Washington have been playing the lotto and may not be able to sell another year waiting to thier fan base. They already have the Lotto talent on the roster. Not sure we can give them the value though. We are going to suck but it would not hurt to get another shot at Wiggins/Parker. I dont see a team trading out of the top 2 next year once the lotto is set.

BadMofoPimp · Post #871 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:15 pm

drsd wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:you guys are putting to much faith into Smart

I really see Smart as this year's Hasheem Thabeet/Michael Beasley/Adam Morrison/Darko Milicic/Kwame Brown/Stromile Swift/Michael Olowokandi: A career 6th man forced to start given a high selection.

In my opinion, Marcus Smart's game does not translate to "Starting NBA PG". Maybe he could be an OK SG, but I see his game as best suited to be a 20 mpg guy off of the bench.

TRADE DOWN or bust.

I would much rather Orlando selects Victor Oladipo AND Michael Carter-Williams (trade with Phoenix) than any one player named in the top 5.

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I am of the trade down crowd.

Noel = Thabeet
Smart = Reece Gaines

Would be better off picking a player 5-8 that could surprise.

Neon1 · Post #872 » by **Neon1** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:20 pm

Trading out would just be dumb unless you are getting a young, long cheap contract and a more talented player in return. Not every single pick you make is going to be Jordan. If you feel a star is not there you draft the best player for your team and keep moving forward. Giving up a garanteed top 3 pick for complete uncertainty (especially in a lotto system) is like putting your life savings on the blackjack table.

magicman112 · Post #873 » by **magicman112** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:38 pm

Neon1 wrote:Trading out would just be dumb unless you are getting a young, long cheap contract and a more talented player in return. Not every single pick you make is going to be Jordan. If you feel a star is not there you draft the best player for your team and keep moving forward. Giving up a garanteed top 3 pick for complete uncertainty (especially in a lotto system) is like putting your life savings on the blackjack table.

Agreed. You take best available. And if things don't work out you have a young talented player which is an asset that can be dealt.

BadMofoPimp · Post #874 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:43 pm

magicman112 wrote: Agreed. You take best available. And if things don't work out you have a young talented player which is an asset that can be dealt.

Players like Thabeet and Darko were not assets that could be traded.

Jiwol · Post #875 » by **Jiwol** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:35 pm

drsd wrote:
Jiwol wrote:The more I read your comments, the more I'm convinced that trading down (or even out) wouldn't be that bad idea this year.

An interesting thought. Would Orlando for instance trade a high 1st, the TPE, and Harrington to Chicago for Marquis Teague, Carlos Boozer, and a future first?

This creates a PG upgrade, a massive expiring that arises during a nice off-season FA market, and a 1st in a draft worth drafting in.

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Your idea for a trade with Chicago is sth I'd definitely consider if I were Henny. I like the reasoning behind giving up first while taking back bad contract. Of course the gist is Teague here. Provided we are sure he's better than anyone we can draft this year.

BadMofoPimp · Post #876 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:37 pm

I don't think you can combine the TPE with players or picks.

Jiwol · Post #877 » by **Jiwol** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:51 pm

Then TPE for Boozer, Harrington and pick for Teague (plus filler?) and future pick.

KingRobb02 · Post #878 » by **KingRobb02** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:52 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
magicman112 wrote: Agreed. You take best available. And if things don't work out you have a young talented player which is an asset that can be dealt.

Players like Thabeet and Darko were not assets that could be traded.

We traded a 1st for Darko and the Grizzlies were able to turn Thabeet into Shane Battier. These guys are always moveable.

BadMofoPimp · Post #879 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:03 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
magicman112 wrote: Agreed. You take best available. And if things don't work out you have a young talented player which is an asset that can be dealt.

Players like Thabeet and Darko were not assets that could be traded.

We traded a 1st for Darko and the Grizzlies were able to turn Thabeet into Shane Battier. These guys are always moveable.

So, basically the worst case scenario would be trading the 1st overall pick in the draft for a late 1st rounder or a good role player down the road.

KingRobb02 · Post #880 » by **KingRobb02** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:11 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:So, basically the worst case scenario would be trading the 1st overall pick in the draft for a late 1st rounder or a good role player down the road.

15 isn't quit "late" but I know what you're trolling at. Worst case scenario, we turn a player who can't play into a player who contributes or a chance to make another pick in a different draft. Yeah, teams overvalue young guys on the open market.