BSOTS: What happened to the Suns' fight?

[rsavaj]

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/ ... sey-hunter

[RunDogGun]

Yep, not playing a few games without our starting center, and his backup has nothing to do with getting beat.

I'll agree that the team seems deflated, but man this is getting ridiculous. We had a three game win streak just seven games ago, only one less than our longest this season. We are not only playing our young guys, but starting them as well. We had to start Scola at the five.

I did like how Seth mentioned that some fans are rooting for them to lose, and the players know this. so I guess some of our fans can take credit for helping the team feel bad enough to care very little.

Btw, Rsavaj, do you work for BSoTS?

[Sunsdeuce]

It's obvious the suns need at the very least a top 3 pick desperately. Their current player assets don't add up to much. Right now other then dragic and gortat, I don't think any team would trade a 1st round pick for the rest of the players. It's kinda scary since most players have come within the last two years. That's not a plan or at least it's not a good plan to continue to trade and draft marginal players.

Hopefully this team gets "veteran" leadership from top to bottom. The suns lack to key elements right now. They are excitement and star power. That's another scary thing for me. I'm fine with losing(we need to bad) but it would be a lot better to lose with some rising stars. We have no rising stars. We can't keep trading for other teams leftovers.

I'm all for Barkley as GM. Just his name alone would bring much needed excitement back into a miserable current suns organization. Then hire a respected and experienced coach. That would be a great start. After that scout great and hopefully pull some Daryl Morey magic.

I mean the current suns team has taken the persona of the current front office..,,that is dull, lost, and out of touch.

I'm a firm believer teams take on the persona of the FO. FOs that are exciting and are all in tend to have better teams.

Before Nash came at least we had some rising stars that made the game somewhat exciting even though we were losing.

[rsavaj]

Yep, not playing a few games without our starting center, and his backup has nothing to do with getting beat.

I'll agree that the team seems deflated, but man this is getting ridiculous. We had a three game win streak just seven games ago, only one less than our longest this season. We are not only playing our young guys, but starting them as well. We had to start Scola at the five.

I did like how Seth mentioned that some fans are rooting for them to lose, and the players know this. so I guess some of our fans can take credit for helping the team feel bad enough to care very little.

Btw, Rsavaj, do you work for BSoTS?

The margin of defeat excluding Gortat's injury time is still 14.

I don't write for them, no. They're my 2nd daily stop for Suns stuff after Coro, so if I find something interesting, I paste it here.

[RunDogGun]

It's not just Gortat, Marshall has played so much since Hunter has taken over. We went from an ok backup pg to a completely unproven and struggling backup pg. I think a few of our players are playing better. Goran, for the most part, has done very well, with a recent 18 and 16 assist games. Not real easy to do with guys that are "deflated" or lack effort, right? I guess he should have had 30 both of those nights if our guys just cared.

Blow outs have been happening all over the league, and many of which are playoff teams, who are not playing a bulk of their bench to start, like we are. GS just blew out HOU the other night. And the HOU blowout for us they shot twenty more free throws. Thats a blowout difference right there. I think this article is failing to see all the variables, and then coming to a conclusion that is incorrect.

While I like many of the articles you link, this one was weak, and lacked a good effort on Seth's part. Maybe Hunter is affecting the writers too?

[phrazbit]

I dont think you can dismiss a blowout just because one team shot a bunch of free throws (or a guy made a bunch of open 3s). Houston was flying past the Suns in transition, getting to the rim in the half court and absolutely destroyed the Suns on the glass, that kind of play results in free throws... and routs.

Houston gets blown out by Golden State but its one game in a larger mix, while the Suns are getting blown out on a regular basis, and its happening with little regard to who we play or where the game is played, and as rsavaj, and the article, mentioned, this trend started before Gortat's injury.

[RunDogGun]

I dont think you can dismiss a blowout just because one team shot a bunch of free throws (or a guy made a bunch of open 3s). Houston was flying past the Suns in transition, getting to the rim in the half court and absolutely destroyed the Suns on the glass, that kind of play results in free throws... and routs.

Houston gets blown out by Golden State but its one game in a larger mix, while the Suns are getting blown out on a regular basis, and its happening with little regard to who we play or where the game is played, and as rsavaj, and the article, mentioned, this trend started before Gortat's injury.

I just don't think these blowouts are a sign of guys giving up on Hunter, like the article suggests. But again blowouts are happening all over the league and to teams that are in the thick of playoff runs. For example Chi gets blown out by Sac the other night, and then blows out GS. GS blows out HOU, and then gets blown out by Chi. Besides Sac, the other teams are trying to position themselves for the playoffs.

I still don't know what you guys expect, with who has been getting minutes, and starting. It's like you guys expect us to lose, but just by a few points.

[phrazbit]

The Houston/Sac/Chicago thing does not apply to the Suns situation. Chicago, Houston, they get blown out once in a while, but they also (as you pointed out) blow out foes in-kind. While the Suns are getting crushed on a regular basis, and the rare wins are by the slimmest of margins.

Its not out of line with my expectation only because this happens often with bad teams towards the end of the year. Is it Hunter's fault that they seem to give up if they fall behind, opposed to earlier in the year when they staged a few big comebacks, or is it just the culmination of a long lousy season? I dont know.

[RunDogGun]

How does it not apply? Just because it hasn't happened as much as a team playing and starting their second and third string players? If you can use Gentry's time, when we were playing stronger established players more minutes to now, why the heck can't I use teams that are clearly jockeying for good playoff spots, using their A players? Many teams are getting blown out, and they aren't even using their second and third string players like we are. It has to be a valid point, because it is true.

This is just ridiculous. So not only do you want and expect these guys to lose, but you want them to be close games? But then when they win, get pissed off at them, and other fans for being happy when they win (maybe not you but many of the tankers)? Secretly you guys are Laker and Spurs fans.

[phrazbit]

I just dont see the comparison of a team who is constantly getting blown out and on the rare occasion of a win they do it by a few points, to teams that rarely get blown out and dish out the devastating defeats more often than they are on the receiving end. For teams like Houston and Chicago a double digit loss is an off night, for the Suns its becoming the norm.

And for someone who attacks people for assigning "made up feelings" on him, you sure are doing a lot of that here. I said I expect them to get blown out, it does not mean I am pissed and they have to lose but only by a close score to be happy, I just think they stink, crappy teams get blown out.

[MathiasPW]

Here we go again...

[RunDogGun]

I just dont see the comparison of a team who is constantly getting blown out and on the rare occasion of a win they do it by a few points, to teams that rarely get blown out and dish out the devastating defeats more often than they are on the receiving end. For teams like Houston and Chicago a double digit loss is an off night, for the Suns its becoming the norm.

And for someone who attacks people for assigning "made up feelings" on him, you sure are doing a lot of that here. I said I expect them to get blown out, it does not mean I am pissed and they have to lose but only by a close score to be happy, I just think they stink, crappy teams get blown out.

Did you see the parentheses, in my post?

As for the other stuff, I don't feel like repeating myself. My point is us getting blown out more than earlier has more to do with who is getting more minutes than the coach, I really thought that was clear.

[RunDogGun]

Alright, would you be concerned if a team lost six out of nine, and three of those losses we by 30, 18, and 42? Would you say they were being blown out often?

And then tell me again why I can't use Chicago as an example? Because they blew out a team once?

[bigfoot]

A very interesting point made in the article is what Sarver decides to do this summer. Dumping the entire FO and Hunter implies a "quick hire" to get a new FO in place for the draft and free agency period.

He will have to wait until the playoffs are over (mid-June) to interview and hire a new FO because typically you want to pick up coaches and management from winning organizations. At best they will have one to two weeks to prepare for the draft (late-June) and free agency (early July).

Those who suggest hiring Barkley as the GM are kidding themselves. The guy is not a hard worker. He got by sheer talent and athleticism in the NBA. He was always out of shape at the beginning of the season and despised practicing. That will not fly in a front office job. No way in hell he could do the job.

[phrazbit]

Alright, would you be concerned if a team lost six out of nine, and three of those losses we by 30, 18, and 42? Would you say they were being blown out often?

And then tell me again why I can't use Chicago as an example? Because they blew out a team once?

Do you think Bulls fans are not concerned by those results? And if you look at their last 10 games (which I'm sure you did ) instead of limiting it to 9, they also blew out Charlotte by 30.

When the Suns fall behind its turning into frequent routs, and unlike with the Bulls, its happening both at home and on the road, also unlike the Bulls, the Suns are not soundly beating anyone... and the Suns are getting blown out twice as often.

But, whatever, this is kind of a pointless debate because I dont necessarily blame Hunter for the blowouts either, although I've seen nothing to convince me he deserves for get beyond the "interim" tag. Its a near the end of a long season and the team sucks, these results shouldnt surprise anyone.

[RunDogGun]

Alright, would you be concerned if a team lost six out of nine, and three of those losses we by 30, 18, and 42? Would you say they were being blown out often?

And then tell me again why I can't use Chicago as an example? Because they blew out a team once?

Do you think Bulls fans are not concerned by those results? And if you look at their last 10 games (which I'm sure you did ) instead of limiting it to 9, they also blew out Charlotte by 30.

When the Suns fall behind its turning into frequent routs, and unlike with the Bulls, its happening both at home and on the road, also unlike the Bulls, the Suns are not soundly beating anyone... and the Suns are getting blown out twice as often.

But, whatever, this is kind of a pointless debate because I dont necessarily blame Hunter for the blowouts either, although I've seen nothing to convince me he deserves for get beyond the "interim" tag. Its a near the end of a long season and the team sucks, these results shouldnt surprise anyone.

I don't care what the Bulls fans think of the Bulls, unless you are a Bull's fan also, then in this case I guess I do, because I asked you. But again the point is, CHI was a valid example, for the frequency of blowouts, that even have happened to teams not playing a bulk of second and third string players. We are giving minutes to guys that have only seen the floor when warming up, or viewing it from the bench. Marshall, Haddadi, and Johnson have spent the bulk of the games watching. We aren't sticking Tucker on the best player as often as we did before. Again, I don't see the blowouts as something other than young or limited game time, learning their way.

And the team doesn't suck, which I know is the underlining theme with this thread and many many others. Results due to playing third stringers and second stringers shouldn't surprise anyone, but it doesn't mean the team sucks, when they are playing first string starters.

[sunskerr]

We're just not very good. Sure we've got some solid pieces, but we're still losing. Losing does not equate to no effort. Watch the hustle from Wes and the Morris twins. They play hard. Dragic has walked off some dangerous fouls this year.

[phrazbit]

Well, right on queue, here is a blow out for you!

An old team, on the 2nd night of a back to back and he uses a 7 man rotation. They had nothing left in the 4th. Mike D slays me.

[RunDogGun]

Well, right on queue, here is a blow out for you!

An old team, on the 2nd night of a back to back and he uses a 7 man rotation. They had nothing left in the 4th. Mike D slays me.

I hope you have a beer to wash down that crow.

[King Of Wang]

Well, right on queue, here is a blow out for you!

An old team, on the 2nd night of a back to back and he uses a 7 man rotation. They had nothing left in the 4th. Mike D slays me.

I hope you have a beer to wash down that crow.

He shouldn't have to eat any crow at all. That was one game and as phrazbit said, they were on the second night of a back to back after traveling too, on the road, mostly old and tired men AND obviously dead from Mikey's stupid 7 man rotations. It was clear they had zero energy and they were missing shots they usually make, short most of the time. They were an old and tired team and our guys were well rested and it showed with their energy and hustle. Again it was one game, if they keep this up then some crow can be on the menu, but one game doesn't eliminate the complete and constant annihilation we have been enduring under Hunter. I mean c'mon, how do you lose by 20+ to WASHINGTON?? LOL, let's see how they play the rest of the way. Last night's game was fun to watch though, I LOVE dominating the Fakers, beauty to my eyes