Rasmus vs Gose

[torontoaces04]

Man, Colby Rasmus is terribad.

[Avenger]

I'm guessing that he spends at least four more years in the minors, progressing in fits and starts, and ends up either as a fourth outfielder or getting taken in the Rule V draft some time down the road as a reclamation project.

all that based off of notoriously unreliable minor league batted ball rates?

So there you have it, sometimes the best advice comes from within. Listen to yourself.

First, about this quote you drudged up, like i confessed in the previous page, i was wrong about Gose, my statements at the time(and some later on) were based on faulty knowledge and general ignorance about a lot of things. I know only said those things like a year and a half ago but i'd like to think i've learned and continue to learn.

I have 9000 posts on realgm, if you cared to look and it seems like you do you'll find 8900 other posts where i make an ass of myself but none of that has anything to do with the fact that you are one of the most delusional and arrogant people i've ever encountered on the internet.

Baseball players don't improve month to month? So what your saying is a mechanical change or different approach nets a 0% correlation to any change in statistics? So you saying players like 2009 Bautista stay the same always, regardless of obvious changes to mechanics? Obviously Gose has changed as a player, and that just might explain why his stats in both September of last year and ST this year are through the roof.

I stand by that statement one million percent and throwing Jose Bautista at me shows how clueless you are. What Jose did was truly unprecedented in the history of Baseball, i don't know why i even have to say this but not everybody that has a hot September turns into Jose Bautista, actually NONE of them do.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... breakouts/

Have you seriously never heard of a hot month? The nature of Baseball dictates that almost every hitter goes through hot streaks and cold streaks and there's no reason why a player is mediocre in April, awful in July and awesome in September other than simply the nature of randomness. People like Buster Olney(and you apparently) will try explain these variances with words like "focus", "attitude" and or any of the million other useless baseball platitudes, anybody who is not an idiot just accepts them as variance

If a mechanical adjustment is all it takes to for a hitter to go from mediocre/awful to great over the course of a month, we would have a lot more Mike Trout's running around and a lot fewer John McDonald's.

Even the so called "breakout" players like the aforementioned Dexter Fowler(who put up a 418(wOBA in Double A) at one time showed huge potential, hitters who were terrible/mediocre in the minor leagues don't go on to become good hitters in the big leagues.

You think Gose had a good September because of a mechanical adjustment(that he apparently never tried in the 17 years he's been playing the game), i on the other hand am a million percent certain that he didn't do anything on August 31st that turned him into a good player, he had a hot month, it happens.

Lost in all of this is the fact that Gose has had hot months previously in the minor leagues, he's had months where he puts up a 850-900 OPS, did you at the time argue that he figured something out?

My point is that the sample size of Gose doing good is now bigger than the sample size of Gose doing bad. September + ST stats seem to heavily outweigh the short and bad trip he had to the bigs prior. If you are inferior of seeing a change statistically or mechanically, I do not see any point in arguing with you as all that's going to happen is you are going to look even more incapable of changing your opinion.

This sample size you keep talking about is composed of 28 games against expanded rosters pitching. And are you gonna argue that we can just throw out the 450 professionals games prior to that because he made a mechanics adjustment ? This is the most laughable thing i've ever heard in my life. You're arguing that these 40 something games(September and ST) are more useful for predicting future performanec than his 450 professional career games before that and you think i'm being "inferior" here, whatever that even means.


Lets highlight that position in all caps so people understand how insightful you're being and how "inferior" i'm being. FLATJACKET1 THINKS GOSE HAS TURNED THE CORNER BASED ON SEPTEMBER AND SPRING TRAINING STATS, AVENGER THINK HIS MEDIOCRE HITTING IN THE 450 PROFESSIONAL GAMES BEFORE THAT SHOULD HOLD MORE WEIGHT.

[Avenger]

He walked 8.6% of the time against lefties in the minors, and had an OBP of .308 against them while only batting .224. Now you could argue that the 22 year old will never learn to hit lefties, but comparing him to 29 year old Lind isn't even logical never mind accurate.

I didn't even know these stats, like i said i had a suspicion about his ability to hit lefties based on observation. Thank you proving my point, a 308 OBP against lefties in the minors translates to like <.250 against major league left handers, THAT is Adam Lind bad. So what did you just throw a hissy fit for?

At the MLB level he showed he doesn't chase pitches outside the zone against lefties, as demonstrated in this chart. Lefty on lefty matchups are never favorable for almost any lefty anyways, as demonstrated from Fielders significant drop (.191 OPS) against lefties over his career. Its also worth noting that at the MLB level Gose has actually hit lefties better than righties, and by a large margin (SSS of course, but so is your negative judgement of him against lefties, so I don't really see a problem).



Also, if you really want to rely on your "black hole against LHP" lineup, please note you are comparing him to Rasmus. Rasmus of course, crushed lefties for a .554 OPS last season. Gose? Well he fared a bit better, OPSing .709. I know you are going to reference SSS, but either was Rasmus is a proven black hole against lefties, and the SSS that you are basing your anti-Gose argument on is the exact one that just blew up in your face.

I don't need you telling me that lefties have natural platoon problems, i only said i have a sneaking suspicion that he will terrible against lefties(even compared to other LH hitters) and you only ended up proving my point with the stats that you dug up yourself.

Please don't forget Gose was instructed to swing for power, and was instructed to have no approach for a while in his minor league career. That may make K% rise no?

You're mentioned this delusional nonsense before in trying to excuse his stats, if he was swinging for power where is the power? If the best he can manage is 5 homeruns in Las Vegas(which is unspeakably awful) even while "swinging for power", it seems like according to you there's no hope for the man on either the plate discipline front or the power front

I don't think Gose is going to be some superstar or HOF, I just know for a fact that Rasmus has been terrible and Gose is impressing people a lot more important than me or you.

I think he is a floor starter and ceiling is maybe an GG or two with MAYBE an AS appearance. Rasmus has potential for a AS appearance too IMO, he's still young but you can't ignore the suckfest that has been going on the last 2 years from him.

You think his floor is a league average starter and if i offered you a bet that Gose wouldn't hit 10 WAR(which is less than league average) before he hit free agency would you take it?

[jaymeister15]

You seem to lack both knowledge of stats (as I can see with your battle with Hendrix) and general understanding of the game.

Baseball players don't improve month to month? So what your saying is a mechanical change or different approach nets a 0% correlation to any change in statistics? So you saying players like 2009 Bautista stay the same always, regardless of obvious changes to mechanics? Obviously Gose has changed as a player, and that just might explain why his stats in both September of last year and ST this year are through the roof.

My point is that the sample size of Gose doing good is now bigger than the sample size of Gose doing bad. September + ST stats seem to heavily outweigh the short and bad trip he had to the bigs prior. If you are inferior of seeing a change statistically or mechanically, I do not see any point in arguing with you as all that's going to happen is you are going to look even more incapable of changing your opinion.

I'm sorry, but it's incredibly hard to take any of the rest of your post seriously after these first two paragraphs.