The Bismack Biyombo Thread

TheKingofSting · Post #1441 » by **TheKingofSting** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 3:43 am

Biz plays good when he is mad, against Portland when he got blocked by the rim for the second time he was finally like eff this and took it up for the two handed jam.

catch20two · Post #1442 » by **catch20two** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 3:54 am

BrotherDave wrote:
catch20two wrote:If I was a Cho I wouldn't hesitate to draft, trade for, or sign a big to fulfill Biyombo's spot until when and if he ever emerge into a above average quality starting C. This is the NBA. You can't just waste away years hoping a player pan out. That's what the ability to assign players to the D-League is for.

Yeah, that's more than reasonable. We've only got 2 bigs "of the future" in Biz and Mully and it would be foolish to put all our eggs in either's baskets. I don't know why Cho stated last year that he was hesitant of having two developing bigs on the roster in reference to Drummond, we basically start 2 of them and I don't see the harm of bringing another one off the bench.

I think Cho was more so cagey than decisive in his reluctance to draft Drummond in the case where he could've made his very own personal project in Biyombo expendable fairly early in the experiment. I don't really blame him either. I'm sure he didn't want to take all of those promises and trips to Spain for nothing.

Nanogeek · Post #1443 » by **Nanogeek** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 12:35 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I think you are confused Nanogeek.

Forget about age right now (which matters).

Sanders averaged 4.3 points and 3 rebounds and 1.2 blocks in 14.5 minutes his rookie year.

Sanders averaged 3.6 points and 3.1 rebounds and 1.5 blocks in 12.4 minutes in his second year.

Sanders is averaging 8.9 points and 9.1 rebounds and 3.2 blocks in 26.4 minutes this season.

Biz averaged 5.2 points and 5.8 rebounds and 1.8 blocks in 23.1 minutes in his rookie year.

Biz is averaging 4.4 points and 7.1 rebounds and 1.7 blocks in 25.9 minutes this year.

Biz has better rebounding numbers per 36 then Sanders when you compare their sophomore years.

Agreed. Biyombo is at 9.8 while Sanders was at 9.0 last year.

Of course Sanders is averaging more points this year, he plays on a better team, so they score more points then us. Also, his guards are much better play makers then ours and that leads to easy points for Sanders. I do not think Sanders is even that much better then Biyombo now using the eye test.

Not sure this holds water. Looking at close shots - which make up most of the scoring shots both players make - 73% of Sanders shots were assisted last year and 73% of Biyombo's shots are assisted this year. Biyombo scores less
because his teammates have less confidence in him to convert and thus don't run plays for him or look to him as often as Sanders teammates do for him.

By the time Biz is 24 he will be miles better then Sanders is now. Sanders wasn't even good enough to see minutes until this season and nobody saw him making the statistical jump he has this season, so I think when you take into account Biz experience and age his jump is more likely.

Statements like "By the time Biz is 23 he will be miles better then Sanders is now" are just ridiculous. You don't know that. There's nothing to support that possibility based on what we are seeing. And that mentality leads to dumb NBA decisions. If Biyombo is a lock to "miles better" than the current DPOY frontrunner then that would mean you wouldn't do a straight up trade of Sanders for Biyombo. And if you wouldn't do that trade then I wouldn't admit to it. Because that is looney land.

gordito · Post #1444 » by **gordito** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 2:12 pm

JMAC3 wrote:...Of course Sanders is averaging more points this year, he plays on a better team, so they score more points then us

...Sanders wasn't even good enough to see minutes until this season

I love how Sanders gets dinged because he scores more points on a better team, but then also gets dinged because he wasn't initially good enough to see minutes on that better team.

JMAC3 · Post #1445 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 2:53 pm

Nanogeek wrote:
Statements like "By the time Biz is 23 he will be miles better then Sanders is now" are just ridiculous. You don't know that. There's nothing to support that possibility based on what we are seeing. And that mentality leads to dumb NBA decisions. If Biyombo is a lock to "miles better" than the current DPOY frontrunner then that would mean you wouldn't do a straight up trade of Sanders for Biyombo. And if you wouldn't do that trade then I wouldn't admit to it. Because that is looney land.

Haha Sanders is not going to win DPOY. Also, I do not understand how that is ridiculous. Sanders is is putting up pretty mediocre numbers other than his blocks. So, you would do not think that in 4 years Biz will be able to add enough to his game to increase his scoring by 5 points and rebounding by 3. Do you believe in player improvement at all or do you just look at boxscores?

For example you prolly wouldnt trade John Salmons for Terrence Ross if you were the Kings, because Salmons is averaging better and it is uncertain if Ross will ever be able to put up Salmons numbers haha.

James Gatz · Post #1446 » by **James Gatz** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 3:13 pm

Haha Sanders is not going to win DPOY. Also, I do not understand how that is ridiculous. Sanders is is putting up pretty mediocre numbers other than his blocks. So, you would do not think that in 4 years Biz will be able to add enough to his game to increase his scoring by 5 points and rebounding by 3. Do you believe in player improvement at all or do you just look at boxscores?

Sanders won't win DPOY but he is definitely in the conversation. Look at the advanced stats. The bucks are significantly better both offensively and defensively. He covers up so many defensive mistakes of Jennings and Ellis. Opposing teams also take a substantial less shots in the restricted area when he's in the game (the highest percentage shot in the game).

Anyone would be stupid to not to go for a straight up Biz for Sanders deal, though the bucks would never do it. If Biz turns out to produce the same as Larry I'd be thrilled.

Post #1447 » by **fatlever** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 4:46 pm

grantland has an article that includes a link to a paper done by some harvard dude at the recent sloan conference on advanced stats. in that paper sanders came out looking great. i think he leads the league in opponent fg% when he is within 5 feet of the person who shoots, basically saying, not only is he blocking 3 shots a game but players that shoot anywhere near him shoot at the lowest % in the league.

Post #1448 » by **fatlever** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 4:50 pm

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... e-and-more

i cant find the other article, but this has a clip about the presentation.

Post #1449 » by **fatlever** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 4:58 pm

i didnt know biz had his brothers here in charlotte living with him.

bismack biyombo ‏@bismackbiyombo0

Taking my brothers to school this morning @BillyBiyombo @bikimbiyombo and Biska #biznation pic.twitter.com/G6FJz5L2vT

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1450 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 5:23 pm

Bismack, Bikim, Biska, and..........Billy. Hopefully that's all he has staying with him!

Bikim's twitter says "NBA Draft 201..."

Wanna meet Billy? http://badoo.com/0300530832/

catch20two · Post #1451 » by **catch20two** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 5:30 pm

It's not like we really have a choice but I'm willing to ride out this Bismack Biyombo project as long as possible as a part of the Bobcats. He's such a positive person that I want to see him succeed at all cost (except a max contract 8-)

). Just reading his tweets and excerpts about him make him a very likable player from a fan standpoint. However I don't agree with him being our starting C for the next 3-4 years until he's ready to be a consistent contributor.

LamarMatic7 · Post #1452 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 7:44 pm

the brother who's to the right and sitting in the back has the exact shape of head that Biz has.

Elden Payton · Post #1453 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 11:33 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:the brother who's to the right and sitting in the back has the exact shape of head that Biz has.

Funnily enough that was my first thought.

Post #1454 » by **fatlever** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 12:03 am

catch20two wrote:It's not like we really have a choice but I'm willing to ride out this Bismack Biyombo project as long as possible as a part of the Bobcats. He's such a positive person that I want to see him succeed at all cost (except a max contract ). Just reading his tweets and excerpts about him make him a very likable player from a fan standpoint. However I don't agree with him being our starting C for the next 3-4 years until he's ready to be a consistent contributor.

this i can agree with 100%. for me, he is perhaps the most likeable player that has ever played for a team i was passionate about (ie hornets and bobcats).

TheKingofSting · Post #1455 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:48 am

Sik Infant wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:the brother who's to the right and sitting in the back has the exact shape of head that Biz has.

Funnily enough that was my first thought.

Same

Nanogeek · Post #1456 » by **Nanogeek** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:05 pm

Unsurprisingly, Dunlap didn't say anything about Biyombo's development.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... son-Walker

Liver_Pooty · Post #1457 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:13 pm

Nanogeek wrote:Unsurprisingly, Dunlap didn't say anything about Biyombo's development.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... son-Walker

He hasnt really done much the past few weeks. Actually for the most part he has been dreadful. Hopefully he continues to work hard and next season he can average 8-10 rebounds a game.

Nanogeek · Post #1458 » by **Nanogeek** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:18 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:He hasnt really done much the past few weeks. Actually for the most part he has been dreadful. Hopefully he continues to work hard and next season he can average 8-10 rebounds a game.

Agreed on his performance this season. We can hope about next season but I wouldn't bet much on him. Incidentally, Tyrus has been written off by alot of people here yet he is more productive than Biyombo. :lol:

Elden Payton · Post #1459 » by **Elden Payton** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:43 pm

Seriously? Crazy!!! An 8 year vet who has been playing his whole life is outplaying a second year project from the Congo who has been playing for 5 years...INSANE.

THIS IS UNHEARD OF.

Eoghan · Post #1460 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:20 am

Nanogeek wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:He hasnt really done much the past few weeks. Actually for the most part he has been dreadful. Hopefully he continues to work hard and next season he can average 8-10 rebounds a game.

Agreed on his performance this season. We can hope about next season but I wouldn't bet much on him. Incidentally, Tyrus has been written off by alot of people here yet he is more productive than Biyombo.

So much fail.