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Around the nba part 6

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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#441 » by GONYK » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:30 am

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kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.


And they could have had Faried and Lawson and Dre Miller with him.

Raymond Felton was the one traded for Andre Miller, no?

Or are you saying they would have traded Billups for Miller?


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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#442 » by Drun53 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:33 am

kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.



But I don't think they'd be a better team had they not made the trade, and subsequently signed Carmelo to an extension.

They did very well in the trade, and they have a bunch of players who all fit the same philosophy very well.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#443 » by Stannis » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:33 am

I am not sure if Denver would still have gotten Faried if Melo stayed. If Melo stayed, Denver might have been a lower or higher seed with a different pick in the draft.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#444 » by j4remi » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:35 am

kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.


Yeah, I think if they had Lawson, Melo and Faried in place...plus the core they put together without trade pieces...they'd be a better squad. Just my opinion though.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#445 » by Phish Tank » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:36 am

Shpati21 wrote:I am not sure if Denver would still have gotten Faried if Melo stayed. If Melo stayed, Denver might have been a lower or higher seed with a different pick in the draft.


Exactly. And there's no guarantee Amare would be on this team if we had Lawson. And even if we were able to keep everyone and not trade for Melo, Wilson would probably have left. The Knicks wouldn't have paid that much money for Wilson.

Again, way too many hypotheticals, so it's tough to do "what-if" scenarios
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#446 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:36 am

If Denver could have looked into a crystal ball and seen how well Gallo, Chandler, Dre, and Koufas would be doing in 2013, they would have said keep the picks and ran with that deal. This shows how much we overpaid. That 2012 pick would have been huge for us, given that we finished 7th.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#447 » by Bran Fast Hands » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:37 am

On another note, I don't watch too many Heat games, is Mike Miller out of their rotation?
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#448 » by K_ick_God » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:38 am

OK Denver is awesome. It's depth and good coaching that has built a system of defense and running. They are a really good defensive team and held the Thunder down on the road. Big win for them, who knows how far they can go. Lawson and Faried lead the way on that club -- they are their best two players IMO. A nice 9 and 5 from Wilson.

Gallo contributed but that shooting is just terrible. 4-17 and 2-8. He's comparable to JR as far as shooting many nights, with good D and certainly very nice intangibles. But even JR rebounds, plays some good D and can make some quality passes.

It doesn't seem to matter. Even Iguodala shoots poorly often and Denver still keeps rolling.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#449 » by Manimal » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:38 am

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kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.


Yeah, I think if they had Lawson, Melo and Faried in place...plus the core they put together without trade pieces...they'd be a better squad. Just my opinion though.


The thing is, what makes this Nuggets team so good right now is them doing everything that Melo is not. They play together, share the ball, hustle, rebound, play scrappy defense. That was never the MO of any of the teams Denver had with Melo there. It's a different brand of basketball, so simply dropping him into the lineup with these same players wouldn't make them better, because he doesn't know how to play this style of basketball and just "fit in." He is someone that requires being built around.
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Post#450 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:38 am

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Nah. They run up and down and their depth helps. Melo would feel weird not taking 18-20 shots a game.


This.. for Melo you have to build a team a specific way.. similar to how Philly built around Iverson.. eerily similar.

Melo excelled in that style in the Olympics. Maybe it would have taken some time for him to defer to Lawson like he defers to cp3, but as good as Lawson is getting I think it would have happened eventually.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#451 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:39 am

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The thing is, what makes this Nuggets team so good right now is them doing everything that Melo is not. They play together, share the ball, hustle, rebound, play scrappy defense. That was never the MO of any of the teams Denver had with Melo there. It's a different brand of basketball, so simply dropping him into the lineup with these same players wouldn't make them better, because he doesn't know how to play this style of basketball and just "fit in." He is someone that requires being built around.

I don't know those Denver teams that well, but it seems that with the likes of Billups and AI running the point you guys didn't have the personnel to play like the current team.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#452 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:42 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:Melo excelled in that style in the Olympics. Maybe it would have taken some time for him to defer to Lawson like he defers to cp3, but as good as Lawson is getting I think it would have happened eventually.


I'm not seeing it at all.. sorry. Lawson and Faried are up tempo players.. Melo in the NBA is a slow it down type of player.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#453 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:44 am

Manimal wrote:
The thing is, what makes this Nuggets team so good right now is them doing everything that Melo is not. They play together, share the ball, hustle, rebound, play scrappy defense. That was never the MO of any of the teams Denver had with Melo there. It's a different brand of basketball, so simply dropping him into the lineup with these same players wouldn't make them better, because he doesn't know how to play this style of basketball and just "fit in." He is someone that requires being built around.


Good stuff... I agree.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#454 » by Drun53 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:46 am

KnicksGod wrote:OK Denver is awesome. It's depth and good coaching that has built a system of defense and running. They are a really good defensive team and held the Thunder down on the road. Big win for them, who knows how far they can go. Lawson and Faried lead the way on that club -- they are their best two players IMO. A nice 9 and 5 from Wilson.

Gallo contributed but that shooting is just terrible. 4-17 and 2-8. He's comparable to JR as far as shooting many nights, with good D and certainly very nice intangibles. But even JR rebounds and can play good D, and make some good passes.

It doesn't seem to matter. Even Iguodala shoots poorly often and they still keep rolling.



Gallo has definitely gotten better at contributing when he isn't shooting well, but it's still maddening how inconsistent his shooting can be on a game-to-game basis. There was a stretch where you felt surprised when he missed; now it's surprising when he makes a shot. Lol.

He used to be completely lost when not shooting well, though...he was still involved in the game this time around. Also, Gallo's shot selection and IQ to move the ball and not stagnate an offense is better than JR's.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#455 » by GONYK » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:47 am

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KnicksGod wrote:OK Denver is awesome. It's depth and good coaching that has built a system of defense and running. They are a really good defensive team and held the Thunder down on the road. Big win for them, who knows how far they can go. Lawson and Faried lead the way on that club -- they are their best two players IMO. A nice 9 and 5 from Wilson.

Gallo contributed but that shooting is just terrible. 4-17 and 2-8. He's comparable to JR as far as shooting many nights, with good D and certainly very nice intangibles. But even JR rebounds and can play good D, and make some good passes.

It doesn't seem to matter. Even Iguodala shoots poorly often and they still keep rolling.



Gallo has definitely gotten better at contributing when he isn't shooting well, but it's still maddening how inconsistent his shooting can be on a game-to-game basis. There was a stretch where you felt surprised when he missed; now it's surprising when he makes a shot. Lol.

He used to be completely lost when not shooting well, though...he was still involved in the game this time around. Also, Gallo's shot selection and IQ to move the ball and not stagnate an offense is better than JR's.


Everybody's ability to do that is better than JR's :lol:
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#456 » by Drun53 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:48 am

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KnicksGod wrote:OK Denver is awesome. It's depth and good coaching that has built a system of defense and running. They are a really good defensive team and held the Thunder down on the road. Big win for them, who knows how far they can go. Lawson and Faried lead the way on that club -- they are their best two players IMO. A nice 9 and 5 from Wilson.

Gallo contributed but that shooting is just terrible. 4-17 and 2-8. He's comparable to JR as far as shooting many nights, with good D and certainly very nice intangibles. But even JR rebounds and can play good D, and make some good passes.

It doesn't seem to matter. Even Iguodala shoots poorly often and they still keep rolling.



Gallo has definitely gotten better at contributing when he isn't shooting well, but it's still maddening how inconsistent his shooting can be on a game-to-game basis. There was a stretch where you felt surprised when he missed; now it's surprising when he makes a shot. Lol.

He used to be completely lost when not shooting well, though...he was still involved in the game this time around. Also, Gallo's shot selection and IQ to move the ball and not stagnate an offense is better than JR's.


Everybody's ability to do that is better than JR's :lol:



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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#457 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:49 am

GONYK wrote:
Everybody's ability to do that is better than JR's :lol:


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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#458 » by Drun53 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:49 am

BTW, per a Denver Nuggets tweet, Wilson Chandler separated his left shoulder.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#459 » by kane2021 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 am

My only thing is i feel you need a go to guy to win close games late in the post season. A player who can get his. Run and gun team play is all good until you run into a brick wall defense and the clock is taunting you.

Now if lawson can be that guy then denver is coming up. And i could be wrong. But i think you need that.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#460 » by Drun53 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 am

kane2021 wrote:My only thing is i feel you need a go to guy to win close games late in the post season. A player who can get his. Run and gun team play is all good until you run into a brick wall defense and the clock is taunting you.

Now if lawson can be that guy then denver is coming up. And i could be wrong. But i think you need that.



Fair point. We'll see how this turns out during the playoffs.
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