The Case of Bynum and Dre

[Blkbrd671]

Bynum is a FA at the end of this season, and while i'll admit that i completely hate him when he touches the ball 80% of the time, i am 99% of the time happy when he and Dre are in the game together. I am slowly leaning towards resigning Bynum strictly on the basis that Dre needs him and he needs Dre.

1.) Bynum's problem has always been that he can beat his man ,get to the rim, but not finish through contact or get the shot up over help side defender. Dre's problem is that he can finish through contact, but can't get to the rim. Which is why the blend. I truly believe that if Bynum was not on this team , that Dre wouldn't be player we perceive him as. I don't think Knight or stuckey have the ability to get Dre the ball where Bynum has. Bynum got Dre involved in a lot of games offensively which led to his increase in effort and energy on both ends. If you watched Dre in college, the only reason why he was so ineffective is because UCONN never involved him. While this isn't soley because of bynum, he most definitely contributed


2.) If we don't resign bynum, we'll be looking for another back up PG. Fact of the matter is bynum is a pretty decent backup. Majority of Bynum's problems relate to the fact that we don't have a sure PG. If we regulated Bynum to backup minutes and have the ability to pull him when he's going "Team Bynum", we'll basically be regulating him to when he is effective. The problem is that at times we continued to play him when he wasn't effective simply because we have no other option.

The truly think that Dre's going to improve this offseason but not to the point where he's individually gettin his buckets and plays run for or through him, i think in order to keep Dre effective we should resign Bynum. i can't really think of another back up PG who could keep Dre involved the way bynum does. i don't think JC has the penetrating ability to do so


Do you agree?

if not, who could we sign for our backup PG

[GSR121]

I get what you are saying about the chemistry that Bynum and Dre have going on. But I really can't see us keeping Bynum just because he plays well with one other guy no matter how well. He is a very unpredictable player, one night he is Mr. unstoppable and the next he cant hit anything. He tends to play selfish and you never know which way he is going to play in any given quarter, let alone game to game. I think it is up to the coaching staff and PG whoever they are, to get Andre involved ad get him the ball. JC is very good at setting up others. That is his best trait (along with few turnovers). Bynum may fit well with Drummond, but not so much with the rest of the team. I think it is time to move on.

[Goldtop]

I think one of the main reasons they targeted Calderon was because of how great Drummond played with a great pick/roll PG like Bynum. So Calderon being an upgrade over Bynum, I don't see the need for Bynum anymore (assuming they resign Calderon)

Plus you have to factor in that Drummond is going to be playing all of his minutes with the starters next year. So unless you start Bynum, the two will likely never play together. Which is why getting Calderon made sense because you have a starting PG who can run pick/roll with Drummond and play all of their minutes together in the starting lineup.

Just like Bynum made Dre look better on offense, and Dre made Bynum look better on defense, I think we;re going to see the same thing with Dre and Calderon. Thats why ppl need to wait to judge Calderon, because I think once ppl see how well they are going to work together you will have a change of mind on Calderon. Just like most ppl changed their mind about Bynum after seeing him with Dre this year.

Jose is going to make Dre look like a superstar on offense, and Drummond is going to make Calderons poor defense non-existent, making him look like an awesom PG on both ends, imo.

[Jodi]

I think we should only re-sign Bynum if we're out of options...I wouldn't mind throwing a small contract to a player like DJ Augustine...

[Blkbrd671]

I get what you are saying about the chemistry that Bynum and Dre have going on. But I really can't see us keeping Bynum just because he plays well with one other guy no matter how well. He is a very unpredictable player, one night he is Mr. unstoppable and the next he cant hit anything. He tends to play selfish and you never know which way he is going to play in any given quarter, let alone game to game.

While i understand this, doesn't the fact that our backup pg effects the game so dramatically more a problem with our team than with our backup pg. Bynum has shown to be effective and he's done it in stretches. i would think its reasonable to assume that next year Bynum and Dre's chemistry would improve

I think it is up to the coaching staff and PG whoever they are, to get Andre involved ad get him the ball. JC is very good at setting up others. That is his best trait (along with few turnovers). Bynum may fit well with Drummond, but not so much with the rest of the team. I think it is time to move on.

JC is effective in the PnR because of his bball iq and shot. He very rarely is effective on the drive and Bynum is a much better defender which is saying a lot. If we were going to run Bynum and Drummond, we'd just surround them with shooters. My only problem is that Frank thinks Stuckey, JJ and Maxiell are shooters

[Blkbrd671]

I think one of the main reasons they targeted Calderon was because of how great Drummond played with a great pick/roll PG like Bynum. So Calderon being an upgrade over Bynum, I don't see the need for Bynum anymore (assuming they resign Calderon)

JC doesn't throw a lot of lobs, additionally he's more effective in gettin the ball to players in good positions and letting them work from there or shooting. The fact that JC does not penetrate worries me as it allows defenses to sag on drummond instead of committing to JC. Something bynum does very well. Literally at times unstoppable

Plus you have to factor in that Drummond is going to be playing all of his minutes with the starters next year. So unless you start Bynum, the two will likely never play together. Which is why getting Calderon made sense because you have a starting PG who can run pick/roll with Drummond and play all of their minutes together in the starting lineup.

This is where a wrench is thrown into my argument. I don't think the 2 will play together as much, however i do think they'll get to see a lot of minutes together. Then again the fact that bynum and dre seemed to be effective is probably the reason frank is going to keep them separate. Honestly i hope we don't resign calderon, unless it is to be the backup.

Just like Bynum made Dre look better on offense, and Dre made Bynum look better on defense, I think we;re going to see the same thing with Dre and Calderon. Thats why ppl need to wait to judge Calderon, because I think once ppl see how well they are going to work together you will have a change of mind on Calderon. Just like most ppl changed their mind about Bynum after seeing him with Dre this year.

nice, something i had not considered. however Bynum just on pure effort is a much better defender than JC.

Jose is going to make Dre look like a superstar on offense, and Drummond is going to make Calderons poor defense non-existent, making him look like an awesom PG on both ends, imo.

Highly skeptical of this, i think Dre will help JC look much better or be more effective, however like i mentioned before. JC is good at getting the ball to players in good positions where they can work and or shoot. Ideally we don't want Dre using his energy try to post up or taking jump shots. we will see if dre comes back how they look together.

[Uncle Mxy]

Dre shouldn't be a backup. Bynumite should be a backup.

[Blkbrd671]

Dre shouldn't be a backup. Bynumite should be a backup.

Again as mentioned before, if you look at the games this season when Dre's been in the game and when he was most effective, majority of the time Bynum has been the PG. While this is also due to the fact that Dre has been with the 2nd unit, Bynum has remained in game when the starters game back.


Another question is , do you think JC will be effective with DRE?

[Piston Pete]

I am leaning more toward not bringing back Bynum.

I'd like us to look into getting more of a pass-first PG to backup Knight. Bynum is too much of a ball-dominant chucker for my liking. We've seen him shoot way too much in the past and have seen it again this year after Dre got injured.

That said, if we bring him back on the cheap, I wouldn't be totally upset. Just a little bummed....

[Kilo]

This team needs a fumigation. That means everybody who can go does go. Bynum is a back-up, can be replaced with an equal back-up at the same money with a different attitude who hasn't been on a suckass team for the last however many years.

[Cowology]

I don't care what happened or who was on the court with who this season. If that's what we're going off of then we're in trouble. Dre not only needs to be starting (duh!) but he needs to be on the floor with other starters. We haven't even seen what he and Calderon can do together, but the reality is if the magic isn't there then the solution is NOT to bring back Bynum as a backup. It's to readdress the starting PG role.

Dre will continue to develop and develop chemistry with other players. It's not Bynum or bust as far as Dre's ability to impact a game. If it is then we are an even bigger failure of a franchise than we currently appear to be.

[rmfc]

Don't care what Bynum did with Dre in the game. He is just a selfish player. That should be obvious every time he is on the court.

Max & Bynum should not be on the team next season. If Joe can't find a better back up PG than Will Bynum and / or if he even talks about giving an extension to either of these two guys, then Gores should fire Joe the very next moment.

[Moose10Fan]

The only reason Dre is more affective with Bynum is because he knows how to penetrate and dish, Knight is horrible at this, like really bad. We just need a PG who can penetrate.

[joseph mamah]

Don't care what Bynum did with Dre in the game. He is just a selfish player. That should be obvious every time he is on the court.

Max & Bynum should not be on the team next season. If Joe can't find a better back up PG than Will Bynum and / or if he even talks about giving an extension to either of these two guys, then Gores should fire Joe the very next moment.

[Goldtop]

@blkbrd

When Bynum/Dre played pick and roll, teams had to play both for the roll to the basket, which was very tough to stop because both we're very tough to stop in the paint.

When Calderon/Dre play pick and roll, teams won't have to play Calderon as much for the roll to the basket because he's not a great penetrator...however he's a great shooter. So they will have to play him for the jumpshot. So the defense can't just load up on Drummond to stop his roll to the basket, because if you leave Calderon, he's going to rain 3s on you.

So its going to be even more effective as Bynum/Dre, as you've added another different variation, where you can run pick/pop with Calderon out of the pick/roll. Its going to make the offense more balanced inside-out. And Calderon is still a capable penetrator. If an open lane presents itself he will take it to the basket, and he is a great finisher.

I know he doesn't throw a lot of lobs, but really who has he had to throw lobs to?

Once he has Drummond, and Frank is designing lob plays, Jose will run them and execute it effectively. Thats what he does - execute the play called. He's avery precise passer, so he should have no problem delivered lobs to Drummond.

Plus, he;s great at leading a fastbreak, and we know how Drummond like to get out and run with the guards, so I think we'll see a lot of lobs from Calderon/Drummond on the fastbreak too.

[c-dot]

Two words:

Trey Burke

Problem solved, you're welcome.

[Blkbrd671]

I don't care what happened or who was on the court with who this season. If that's what we're going off of then we're in trouble. Dre not only needs to be starting (duh!) but he needs to be on the floor with other starters. We haven't even seen what he and Calderon can do together, but the reality is if the magic isn't there then the solution is NOT to bring back Bynum as a backup. It's to readdress the starting PG role.

Dre will continue to develop and develop chemistry with other players. It's not Bynum or bust as far as Dre's ability to impact a game. If it is then we are an even bigger failure of a franchise than we currently appear to be.

Great point , my fear is that without bynum we aren't going to have a player that can get Dre involved offensively(lobs). While i totally agree that the problem is that we are counting on our backup pg to get our starting center involved, there aren't a ton of starting PG that can make those passes in traffic on the market. Our obvious path to winning goes through dre, or seems to be, and Dre is alot more effective on both ends when he's involved.

[Blkbrd671]

Two words:

Trey Burke

Problem solved, you're welcome.

not another F* combo guard

[Defor]

I don't think I would consider Trey Burke a combo guard , he certainly doesn't have the size ,and his assist numbers are pretty good ,or at least they were the last time I checked.