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Around the nba part 6

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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#521 » by Falstaffxx » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:03 pm

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I'm not even talking about Melo though. I just think that Gallo is an interesting player to analyze. I think he's clumsy and has a hard time finishing, and his jumper is not good enough, and he does not have a lot of in-between moves. That said, he's a smart player who can really defend and does some dirtywork. Plus he can be clutch. He picks his spots well.

Will he take the next step? I think it comes down to making shots mostly, and doing it in the playoffs. Ironically, shooting is his question mark. But on 3PT%, he's had a very good year.


I think he probably will still improve a little, but not enough for it to be considered "the next step." Still, a useful player.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#522 » by seren » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:05 pm

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That's not the whole story. In crunch time, and I'm talking playoff crunch time, Gallo will draw fewer fouls. His ability to simply knock down shots is going to matter more than the efficiency and true shooting numbers tell you.


I don't think anyone would argue Gallinari is a better player than Anthony.


I don't think anyone argued for that.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#523 » by Rasho Brezec » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:18 pm

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Gallo is certainly contributing and having a good season. But you must admit that 4-17 is not going to get it done if he wants to be a really good player. He does do a lot out there I admit. And his shooting has been better this year too. But the 3-10 type games are not as uncommon as they should be.


For the last two months, Melo is averaging 38 percent from the field. He had 6 games where he shoot below 28 percent.


Am I safe in assuming you're one of the folks that thinks Melo has been faking injuries and lying about them? Otherwise, I think the comparison is crap when you have one healthy player and one injured.

Gallo was out with a hamstring injury.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#524 » by j4remi » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:24 pm

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For the last two months, Melo is averaging 38 percent from the field. He had 6 games where he shoot below 28 percent.


Am I safe in assuming you're one of the folks that thinks Melo has been faking injuries and lying about them? Otherwise, I think the comparison is crap when you have one healthy player and one injured.

Gallo was out with a hamstring injury.


His quote is about the last two months when Melo played through injury for the most part. Melo hasn't been right since Christmas Day and his numbers are night and day from January on (aka a little over 2 months where he took those numbers from).
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#525 » by moocow007 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:34 pm

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seren wrote:For the last two months, Melo is averaging 38 percent from the field. He had 6 games where he shoot below 28 percent.


Am I safe in assuming you're one of the folks that thinks Melo has been faking injuries and lying about them? Otherwise, I think the comparison is crap when you have one healthy player and one injured.


You are absolutely not safe. Not at all.

I am one of the guys who think that even the best guys in the league can have plenty of bad shooting nights and that in itself can not be a way to judge a player.

Gallinari has a shooting efficiency of .496 compared to Melo's 0.493 for the season. He gets 1.303 points per shot compared to Melo's 1.283.


It would be EXTREMELY unlikely for him to replicate that in NY in Anthony's role is the problem with comparing the two so those stats really don't mean much.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#526 » by Tron Carter » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:43 pm

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It would be EXTREMELY unlikely for him to replicate that in NY in Anthony's role is the problem with comparing the two so those stats really don't mean much.


I just chuckled thinking of gallo getting thrown the same defensive looks melo gets. the guy is borderline copeland clumsy in the post.

he can knock down shots and get to the line some. he should have great efficiency when you're not asked to carry your team offensively.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#527 » by seren » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:43 pm

moocow007 wrote:It would be EXTREMELY unlikely for him to replicate that in NY in Anthony's role is the problem with comparing the two so those stats really don't mean much.


That is a conjecture. One can claim any stat to really not mean much. Which is kinda my point. You can't simply say that Gallo is not good because he has bad shooting nights. I would find it silly to argue that Gallo is better than Melo either.

To me, when it comes to comparing the small forwards in the league, Melo would absolutely rank higher than Gallo, but Gallo would rank higher than a boatload of small forwards who are making more money than he is.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#528 » by GONYK » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:45 pm

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moocow007 wrote:It would be EXTREMELY unlikely for him to replicate that in NY in Anthony's role is the problem with comparing the two so those stats really don't mean much.


That is a conjecture. One can claim any stat to really not mean much. Which is kinda my point. You can't simply say that Gallo is not good because he has bad shooting nights. I would find it silly to argue that Gallo is better than Melo either.

To me, when it comes to comparing the small forwards in the league, Melo would absolutely rank higher than Gallo, but Gallo would rank higher than a boatload of small forwards who are making more money than he is.


Can you name some?

I'm not arguing with you, but I want to see this point out to its logical conclusion
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#529 » by seren » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:49 pm

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seren wrote:That is a conjecture. One can claim any stat to really not mean much. Which is kinda my point. You can't simply say that Gallo is not good because he has bad shooting nights. I would find it silly to argue that Gallo is better than Melo either.

To me, when it comes to comparing the small forwards in the league, Melo would absolutely rank higher than Gallo, but Gallo would rank higher than a boatload of small forwards who are making more money than he is.


Can you name some?

I'm not arguing with you, but I want to see this point out to its logical conclusion


Rudy Gay, Luol Deng, Nic Batum to name a few.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#530 » by Tron Carter » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:50 pm

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moocow007 wrote:It would be EXTREMELY unlikely for him to replicate that in NY in Anthony's role is the problem with comparing the two so those stats really don't mean much.


That is a conjecture. One can claim any stat to really not mean much. Which is kinda my point. You can't simply say that Gallo is not good because he has bad shooting nights. I would find it silly to argue that Gallo is better than Melo either.

To me, when it comes to comparing the small forwards in the league, Melo would absolutely rank higher than Gallo, but Gallo would rank higher than a boatload of small forwards who are making more money than he is.


i got him as the 5th or 6th best sf in the league depending on how high you are on paul george. but the gap between gallo and the top is wide (lebron,durant,melo,pierce).
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#531 » by Tron Carter » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:54 pm

seren wrote:
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seren wrote:That is a conjecture. One can claim any stat to really not mean much. Which is kinda my point. You can't simply say that Gallo is not good because he has bad shooting nights. I would find it silly to argue that Gallo is better than Melo either.

To me, when it comes to comparing the small forwards in the league, Melo would absolutely rank higher than Gallo, but Gallo would rank higher than a boatload of small forwards who are making more money than he is.


Can you name some?

I'm not arguing with you, but I want to see this point out to its logical conclusion


Rudy Gay, Luol Deng, Nic Batum to name a few.


gay and deng are overpaid players period. batum you have a case for.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#532 » by seren » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:59 pm

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i got him as the 5th or 6th best sf in the league depending on how high you are on paul george. but the gap between gallo and the top is wide (lebron,durant,melo,pierce).


I agree. I am ranking George above Gallo plus the usual four. Gallo is the sixth best SF in the league.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#533 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:47 pm

Lebron Durant Melo Pierce George Gay Deng Batum Young Parsons....currently.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#534 » by Tron Carter » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:25 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:Lebron Durant Melo Pierce George Gay Deng Batum Young Parsons....currently.

i completely forgot about parsons.

.480 from the field and .389 from 3 is impressive. he's also a great defender. i'd probably take him over gallo.

your gonna need to explain the bolded thugger..
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#535 » by j4remi » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:27 pm

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i got him as the 5th or 6th best sf in the league depending on how high you are on paul george. but the gap between gallo and the top is wide (lebron,durant,melo,pierce).


I agree. I am ranking George above Gallo plus the usual four. Gallo is the sixth best SF in the league.


Are you going by contract value or just purely on ability? I agree with thugger's list, all those guys are better than Gallo in my mind (Batum only passed him up this year to be fair).
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#536 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:29 pm

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Thugger HBC wrote:Lebron Durant Melo Pierce George Gay Deng Batum Young Parsons....currently.

i completely forgot about parsons.

.480 from the field and .389 from 3 is impressive. he's also a great defender. i'd probably take him over gallo.

your gonna need to explain the bolded thugger..

What's to explain? I clearly stated currently.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#537 » by Tron Carter » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:31 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
HakeemKnicks wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Lebron Durant Melo Pierce George Gay Deng Batum Young Parsons....currently.

i completely forgot about parsons.

.480 from the field and .389 from 3 is impressive. he's also a great defender. i'd probably take him over gallo.

your gonna need to explain the bolded thugger..

What's to explain?

maybe i'm looking into contracts too much but you don't believe gallo is better then a thaddeus young? and gay has been awful this season.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#538 » by frogfood » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:37 pm

Gay has been awful but I'd still put him over Gallo because he can create his own shot. I'd put Thad over him too.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#539 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:39 pm

Gay has shot poorly on the season, but dont pretend like Gallo isn't 41% from the field....37% during their win streak.

Denver is winning despite Gallo.

Young has been solid this year, can't even see a debate to this.
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Re: Around the nba part 6 

Post#540 » by j4remi » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:43 pm

Thad Young is pretty underrated imho. I have a lot of friends in the Philadelphia area and I go to a couple of games a year thanks to that...the fans I know, all swear by the kid and when you watch Philly it's clear why. He's giving them 15 and 7.7 on over 50% from the field and he's a major spark with his energy...all this while being a pretty undersized player forced to man PF.
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