Rhymes with Nintendo - The Gerald Henderson Thread

[fatlever]

I like Taylor but, Marc with a "C" from the "U" is terrible. I usually listen to the Morning and afternoon shows through my computer at work but, I always turn it off at 3 o'clock- I can't stand that show. I think if they replaced Marc with someone else and teamed the new person with Taylor it would be a pretty decent show.

which one is the deadhead? and which one is from chicago?

[fatlever]

all this about redick.... i will say that i think the team that pays him big money in the offseason (unless that team is a championship level team that is desperate for 3pt shooting and playmaking) will probably regret the contract in a year or two. he'd be great as a jodie meeks upgrade or insurance if kevin martin leaves the thunder or maybe if danny green leaves the spurs, perhaps the bulls would make sense, but for the bucks, i dont get it.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Taylor's OK I guess, definitely in comparison to "Mark with a C."
I remember reading this on 'James" awhile back...

"Hey Charlotte, I just thought I'd let you all know you are in for a treat with your new friend Marc James. First his real name is Marc Benarzyk. Second, he's changed his name to James because he burned so many bridges in Miami and Tampa he didn't want it to find him in his new gig. Let me just prepare you for what you're in for Charlotte. "

More: http://www.thisboardrocks.com/forum/f5/ ... nz-177666/

[Snidely FC]

Thought some might be interested in comparing their ranks to Hollinger's PER ranks:

Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Shooting Guards
RK PLAYER PER
1 Dwyane Wade, MIA 24.79
2 James Harden, HOU 23.66
3 Kobe Bryant, LAL 66 23.40
4 Manu Ginobili, SA 20.60
PG9 Tyreke Evans 18.73
5 Vince Carter, DAL 17.78
SF11 Paul George 17.15
6 Jamal Crawford, LAC 17.02
7 Gordon Hayward, UTAH16.99
8 Marcus Thornton, SAC 16.55
PG26 Monta Ellis 16.27
9 Louis Williams, ATL 16.14
10 J.J. Redick, MIL/ORL 16.01
11 Kevin Martin, OKC 15.95
12 O.J. Mayo, DAL 15.89
13 J.R. Smith, NY 15.80
14 Gerald Henderson, CHA15.47
15 Wilson Chandler, DEN 15.40
16 Eric Gordon, NO 15.23
17 Andre Iguodala, DEN 15.23
18 C.J. Miles, CLE 14.97
19 Danny Green, SA 14.95
20 Ray Allen, MIA 14.93
21 Ben Gordon, CHA 14.92
22 Jared Dudley, PHX 14.68
23 Wesley Matthews, POR 14.57
24 DeMar DeRozan, TOR 14.41
25 Jordan Crawford, BOS/WSH14.29
26 Joe Johnson, BKN 14.19
27 Dion Waiters, CLE 14.02
28 Bradley Beal, WSH 13.81
29 Leandro Barbosa, BOS/WSH13.65
30 Arron Afflalo, ORL 13.43
31 Carlos Delfino, HOU 13.29
32 Jason Terry, BOS 13.08
33 Klay Thompson, GS 13.05
34 MarShon Brooks, BKN 13.05
35 Jodie Meeks, LAL 13.04
36 Nick Young, PHI 12.97
37 Alan Anderson, TOR 12.90
38 Tony Allen, MEM 12.84
39 Thabo Sefolosha, OKC 12.83
40 Jason Richardson, PHI 12.71
SF35 Evan Turner 12.43
41 Wayne Ellington, CLE/MEM12.33
42 Courtney Lee, BOS 11.63
43 Lance Stephenson, IND11.62
44 E'Twaun Moore, ORL 11.58
45 Kirk Hinrich, CHI 11.07
46 John Jenkins, ATL 11.05
47 Richard Hamilton, CHI 10.91
48 Marco Belinelli, CHI 10.83
49 Roger Mason Jr., NO 10.69
50 Mike Miller, MIA 43 10.69
51 Francisco Garcia, HOU/SAC10.66
PG68 Avery Bradley 10.35
52 Damien Wilkins, PHI 10.32
53 Terrence Ross, TOR 10.30
54 P.J. Tucker, PHX 10.25
55 Kyle Singler, DET 10.21
56 Willie Green, LAC 10.19
57 Jeffery Taylor, CHA 10.14
58 Daniel Gibson, CLE 8.80
59 Xavier Henry, NO 8.46
60 Garrett Temple, WSH 8.17
61 Will Barton, POR 6.72
62 Austin Rivers, NO 5.97
63 Sasha Pavlovic, POR 5.65

Notes:

1. ESPN categorizes some players on Fats' list as SF or PG. Paul George, for instance is the #11 SF by PER. Monta Ellis is the #26 PG. The SF or PG rank was inserted where applicable.

2.Tyreke Evans, according to PER, may be better than we all think (except to those who think PER is bunk). His 18.73 PER ranks him 9th on the PG list, essentially tied with Kemba, but would have him as the 5th best SG. The other big surprise to me was how well Gordan Hayward ranked.
Vince Carter, JJ Reddick and Louis Williams all look pretty good, based on PER.

3. Defense oriented players such as Sefalosha, and especially Avery Bradley, don't show as well, despite PER supposedly accounting for Defense. Bradley in particular - wow. He ranked 68th among PGs and 52 as a SG.

4. Austin Rivers. Yikes.

5. Hendo's a top 15 shooting guard?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinge ... osition/sg

[thruthefire]

PER includes steals and blocks, but it doesn't actually attempt to measure defense.

On Ellis, he shoots a lot, and he misses a lot. For the season, he has a TS% of .489, and that's been trending up in recent weeks. He can pass well for a shooting guard, but he can't play defense. It's kind of like calling Ramon Sessions a top 10 shooting guard.

But I what I really came here to share is our guy making the dirtiest players list:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multim ... ent.6.html

[fatlever]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/3/17/4 ... an-bobcats

[Liver_Pooty]

http://gerald-henderson-michael-jordan-bobcats

Thanks for the good read. One thing that stuck out was Dunlap stating that Henderson had "adroitness ". Im normally phenomenal at the game of Scrabble but I had to Google that.

[Elden Payton]

Cheers fats, great read.

Hendo is going to be around Charlotte for a long time I believe, although longterm it can be hard to see where he fits unless he starts showing up to every game against every team.

[HornetJail]

Cheers fats, great read.

Hendo is going to be around Charlotte for a long time I believe, although longterm it can be hard to see where he fits unless he starts showing up to every game against every team.

He's been more and more consistent as of late. Even his "not showing up" games are still 12 and 13 point games. I'll take that for off-games.

[Elden Payton]

Great point although it's the smaller teams we actually have a legitimate chance to beat (usually)

If a player doesn't show up every night trying to earn a contract what makes us think they will when they have guaranteed cake.

[Kembastockton]

One of the reasons I want to keep Hendo on a reasonable contract is that he is a good player. He could be killer off the bench at the two and the three positions. I just want a two that put up at least 18 per game in his sleep. If we can get that then we might not need a superstar in the paint just someone who commands attention, because he actually can score down there.

[HornetJail]

One of the reasons I want to keep Hendo on a reasonable contract is that he is a good player. He could be killer off the bench at the two and the three positions. I just want a two that put up at least 18 per game in his sleep. If we can get that then we might not need a superstar in the paint just someone who commands attention, because he actually can score down there.

He's only going to improve. His jumps hot is finally coming into form and that will very soon open up the rest of his game, particularly once we stop playing Ben Gordon.

I think he'll be averaging 18ppg either next year or the year after, unless we draft a SG.

[LamarMatic7]

Cheers fats, great read.

Hendo is going to be around Charlotte for a long time I believe, although longterm it can be hard to see where he fits unless he starts showing up to every game against every team.

He's been more and more consistent as of late. Even his "not showing up" games are still 12 and 13 point games. I'll take that for off-games.

Don't you think that it has something to do with his contract being up this summer, us tanking, Sessions being out and Gordon being in the doghouse? I mean, if he wasn't scoring at least 15 every game, he should be reconsidering some things about his career.

[fatlever]

Cheers fats, great read.

Hendo is going to be around Charlotte for a long time I believe, although longterm it can be hard to see where he fits unless he starts showing up to every game against every team.

He's been more and more consistent as of late. Even his "not showing up" games are still 12 and 13 point games. I'll take that for off-games.

Don't you think that it has something to do with his contract being up this summer, us tanking, Sessions being out and Gordon being in the doghouse? I mean, if he wasn't scoring at least 15 every game, he should be reconsidering some things about his career.

agreed 100%. there are at least 40 shooting guards in the league (and another 10 in the d-league) that could average 13 ppg for the cats this year while getting the minutes that hendo is getting. hendo should be putting up 18+ on this team every night.

[Eoghan]

Hendo just doesn't give us anything that we desperately need. If he buried 3s and went hard to the rim every game, picking up fouls I'd love to keep him but running around and doing his Kobe-lite midrange moves all game just isn't cutting it.

[BobsBuddy]

You are absolutely correct fats about the number of shooting guards out there that can match Hendo offensively. Defensively he is an outstanding 2 guard,but so is JT and we need offense. Actually it would be better to start Sessions at point next year and Kemba at 2 and get 45-50 points a night offensively from the guards, Start MCBob at 4,MKG at 3, and Haywood or draft pick(Olynyk)Trade Mully to Utah for 14th pick) at 5.
Utah still has a pick at 21 and a ton of free agents expiring to free up cap space .Its doubtful whether Milsap and Jefferson will be in Utah next year.
2013 next season starting
Sessions, Pargo
KW, Gordon McLenmore
MKG JT
McBob, Adrien or FA(Humphries/Milsap?) and TT
Haywood,Biz, Olynyk

[fatlever]

some interesting quotes from henderson in that link i posted that may give some insight to his recent good play as well as his play against elite teams.

"I've had good games, I've had bad games but when you're not winning it's tough to come in here," Henderson said. "We're not playing for the playoffs, you want to win, it wears on you a bit. Sometimes you can lose focus on how you're playing individually because the team's doing so bad but you gotta worry about what you're doing to be the problem. What can you do individually to try to change things around? And for me I think that is playing more consistently on both sides of the floor, so I think that'll help our team. And so far it hasn't resulted in wins but it'll work out."

hendo seems to play his best when he is either personally challenged, either from jordan or an opponent, or when something of value is at stake, such as a home win vs the lakers or heat or a big new contract. after 3 years of losing on a bad team, i would imagine that many players would have a hard time finding that extra motivation to go bust a lung playing a meaningless game vs a crappy team on a tuesday night in a half-empty arena. thats not to say that it is acceptable, just understandable.

the feel-o-meter suggests that henderson seems to play with more energy and aggression when he is motivated. he always seems to have an extra bounce in his step when the big teams come to town. he always seems to respond with energy and aggression when other players physically challenge him. the few times that MJ has publicly talked about working with henderson it usually has a direct short-term impact. when larry brown was fired and silas finally let henderson out of the doghouse, hendo responded with some really encouraging play. and now, with two months left on his rookie contract henderson has managed to turn his game up a notch.

henderson is averaging 18, 4, 3 on 45% since the all-star break.

he has had games of 35, 16 and 16 vs the celtics, 19 and 19 vs the lakers, 24 vs the clippers, 21 vs the thunder, 18 vs the knicks. i tried to do some crude analysis of his games this year to see if there was statistical evidence of better games vs the best teams or big market teams, but what i found was something like 14.5 vs good teams and 13.5 vs the bad teams or teams nobody cares about. thats not really enough evidence to support anything, but again, the feel-o-meter clearly shows that hendo seems to be more engaged vs the high profile teams.

back in 2010-2011 when hendo 1st had the chance to prove larry brown wrong, hendo responded with a very solid 2nd half averaging close to 14ppg up from 6ppg under larry. it would be easy to say the increase was simply due to playing time, that much is obvious, but hendo clearly had something to prove as well.

so is the recent upward trend from hendo merely a motivated contract push or is this truly a sign that hendo have finally figured out how to be more of a consistent impact on offense.

and if hendo is the type of player that excels when motivated, would he put up better numbers and show more consistency if he was playing on a team that had something to play for for all 82 games? if we spend money to resign hendo should we expect to see his play improve as we become more competitive?

food for thought

[HornetJail]

He's showing up against other garbage teams too now. He hung 27 points on Washington last night.

Also I only just noticed JT was a DNP-CD, Adrien only got five minutes and Dunlap played Mullens, who only showed up late in the game, far more than he should have. Dunlap still has a lot to prove in terms of setting rotations but he's given certain guys a ton of confidence, Hendo, Kemba, and McBob in particular. It's really shown in Hendo as of late. This is what he's capable of when he's motivated. It's a great thing but at the same time, it makes me wonder if Gerald's trying to play his way into a big contract and out of Charlotte. Something to think about, if he really is completely sick of losing here.

[Kembastockton]

I don't think Dunlap was ever intended to be the long term solution. I believe that when we get our team we will run with the next ten years Dunlap will be asked to handle player development behind the scenes.

[Snidely FC]

If Hendo wants out why didn't he play like this before the Trade Deadline?