Around the nba part 6

[Thugger HBC]

Collins has been notorious for playing guys out of their natural spots.

Evan Turner, Iggy and Young have all faced this under him.

Collins has actually used him at center off the bench before.

I still can't figure out what Evan Turner is.

The fan in me says SG, but Collins plays him from the 2-4.

[Rasho Brezec]

Rasho, are you claiming that "you are what you play"?

I hope not.

He plays like a PF and his minutes reflect that.

He doesn't play like a PF, but is handling playing out of position decently.

How many PF's average nearly 2 steals and no blocks?

Iso plays: 8,4%
Post-ups: 14,6%
P&R man: 11,4%
Spot-up: 12,8%
Cuts: 21,3%
Offensive putbacks: 10,1%
Transition: 14,8%

He has been playing like this ever since his rookie season. I can't believe you're seriously arguing for something that every statistical measure disproves. If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, etc ...

[Thugger HBC]

When you can only name one the point is proven, but you need to read my post again.

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[Rasho Brezec]

How does he not play like a PF when 57,4% of his offensive plays are the definition of a big man's offense?

[j4remi]

How does he not play like a PF when 57,4% of his offensive plays are the definition of a big man's offense?

Then again, how much of that is predicated on his coach...play calls would put him in a place to make big man plays by necessity and his position on the floor is also affected by the fact that he's in a PF line-up with two other guys at the wings.

He's a 6'8, 220 pound F who can handle the ball well and does a little bit of everything. At best, I'll call him a tweener but I think he'd have the SF role locked up if the Sixers weren't dedicated to making the Evan Turner pick work.

[Rasho Brezec]

Is Tim Duncan a PF or C?

[Thugger HBC]

How does he not play like a PF when 57,4% of his offensive plays are the definition of a big man's offense?

Of course, that's what he's forced to play, doesn't mean that is what he is as a play.

I've already stated he has played well out of position.

[Thugger HBC]

Is Tim Duncan a PF or C?

What is KG, Amare and Bosh?

[GONYK]

What is Shump?

[Thugger HBC]

what is lebron?

[Tron Carter]

what is going on in here?

[Rasho Brezec]

People can't admit they're wrong when all the evidence is against their claims.

[j4remi]

People can't admit they're wrong when all the evidence is against their claims.

Sooo...you're admitting you're wrong here? Or is Amare a C and Shumpert an SF?

[Thugger HBC]

How can I be wrong for saying he has played out of position well?

http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/thaddeus-young-small-forward

[Rasho Brezec]

Has Amare been playing like a PF or a C his whole career? Has Shumpert spent more time as a SG or a SF in his two seasons?

BTW: 9% of team's total minutes for Amare came as a PF this year, 10% as a C. 6% of team's total minutes for Shumpert came as a SG, 4% as a SF.

[Thugger HBC]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/20150545/thaddeus-young-wants-to-start-at-small-forward-for-the-sixers

Thaddeus Young has resisted playing power forward for years. Dating to 2008, he wanted to play what he feels is his more natural position at small forward for Philadelphia. He has size advantages at small forward and the athleticism to hang at that spot. But his coaches have always leaned toward dropping him at the 4. Because of the Sixers' need for depth, Young routinely has been used off the bench as a backup power forward who had the ability to stretch the floor.

With Andrew Bynum in town and Andre Iguodala gone, there's an open spot at small forward. And Young wants it.

When asked by CSN whether starting was important, Young told the TV outlet:

"It's very important. Whether you're going to come off the bench or whether you're going to start, it's a whole different preparation for the game. I definitely want to become a starter, I definitely want to be a starter, and I'm definitely going to work hard enough to become that starter. But at the end of the day it's all about what coach wants and what the team needs. I've been a player that's been willing to do that each and every year. Hopefully this is the year that I get back into that starting role and strive for success. "

One problem. Philadelphia coach Doug Collins still wants him to come off the bench and still wants him at power forward. From CSN in August:

“I'd like to continue to play Thad off the bench. I like his energy and his attitude he brings to us,” Collins said when the team introduced Bynum and Jason Richardson.

“From all the reports I got, he has his weight up to 229 pounds — he finished the season at 215,” Collins said. “The one thing with Thad is, if you put him with a big guy that protects him, it makes him much better. So we think he's going to be even better with Kwame [Brown] and Andrew, who is going to be an even bigger help with the speed and quickness he plays with. Thad is going to be a big part of what we do.”

via Collins plans to use Thad Young off bench.

That second quote doesn't sound like he's looking at small forward for Young, instead of talking about how he wants his weight up, and wants him to use his quickness advantage at the 4 instead of his size advantage at the 3. Young clearly doesn't want this. In the past, he has felt that he has more advantages at the 3 and playing that position plays to his strengths. There's also likely the fact that if you're an undersized 4 in this league, you get beaten up physically on a nightly basis.

Young wants to do the beating, not receive it.

CSN also reports Collins is likely to start Evan Turner at the vacant spot at small forward. That's curious because Turner's best moments last season were playing point forward. A lineup of Jrue Holiday-Turner-Young-Spencer Hawes/Lavoy Allen-Andrew Bynum puts the most talent on the floor for Philadelphia, but Collins has always wanted more compliments in his lineups rather than raw ability and is likely understandably concerned about the dropoff when he goes to the bench.

So Young, after putting in so many years for the Sixers, is likely to remain a reserve and, in his mind, out of position. It'll be interesting to see whether he continues to play the good soldier in that role or if it creates friction in the new-look Sixers.

It should be mentioned, the top three lineups in plus/minus for the Sixers, according to NBA.com featuring Young, had him at the power forward position.

[Rasho Brezec]

How can I be wrong for saying he has played out of position well?

http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/thaddeus-young-small-forward

That Tim Duncan sure is great, playing half of his career out of position as a PF.

[j4remi]

What do you consider stretch C's like BJ Mullens and Spencer Hawes since majority of their scoring comes off jumpers? Are they like really big SG's?

[Thugger HBC]

Has Amare been playing like a PF or a C his whole career? Has Shumpert spent more time as a SG or a SF in his two seasons?

BTW: 9% of team's total minutes for Amare came as a PF this year, 10% as a C. 6% of team's total minutes for Shumpert came as a SG, 4% as a SF.

I think Duncan won all of his rings playing power forward.

Amare has played primarily center for D'antoni btw.

[ibraheim718]

Young to me don't play on the perimeter enough to be a 3... hopefully he puts on weight and they play him primarily at the 4.. he better start to like playing the 4 or work on his perimeter game and his handle a whole lot more.

George.. is more of a 2 than he is a 3 also... he more than any other player in the league can go back and forth from the 3 to the 2 without any problem.. When Granger comes back and starts George goes back to the 2 exclusively.