"In Defense of Ty"

[Winglish]

This was a thought provoking article to me, particularly the portion about how much better the Jazz were with Big Al on the floor last year. I mean, they were 10.7 points per 100 possessions better with Al on the floor than without him. That swing in data is irrefutable. It had to be influencing Ty's lineup choices this year. Whether you agree with the author or not, the article had some well-reasoned rationale.


http://www.slcdunk.com/2013/3/15/4107252/in-defense-of-ty-what-if-its-all-als-fault

[red4hf]

Here's an idea for a Coach to consider: play Al Jefferson with better defenders, ie Favors instead of Millsap and anybody in place of Mo Williams who can't guard anybody...... Stop telling our guards to allow dribble penetration which is the biggest problem we have on defense...... Stop telling guards to double team opposing bigs, which leads to wide open threes......

None of that is on Al Jefferson......

[StocktonShorts]

^^ I think it's been shown that Al and Favors is a terrible, terrible defensive combination, regardless of who else is on the court with them.

Something that no one seems to be mentioning is that prior to joining the Jazz, Al Jefferson was a power forward who defended opposing team's power forwards.

On the Jazz he's been a center. It's one thing to have a poor-defending power forward -- many teams have those -- it's quite another to have a defensive liability at center. How many good teams have one of those?

Favors is great at protecting the rim, he's not his best guarding power forwards on the perimeter. Al is terrible at both but maybe less terrible closer to the basket. When you play them together you get the worst of both players.

[idajazz]

this team should be riding the young guns, period. Big Al is a black hole, Period. Milsap is undersized, Period.
A first round asswhoopin sucks, Period.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I think that there are few, if any, who would defend Al's defense. The past couple of games I have watched in particular I have really noticed other players look bad due to Al's lack of defensive positioning and effort (although Al aside, I still don't understand the logic of the help coming from the strong side instead of the weak side,leaving an easy pass to an open shooter).

I also hate the dump the ball to Al, move everyone to the weak side and iso-Al offense, even when it works. However, the team does lack a consistent, reliable scorer, which might be why the coaches lean on Al so heavily. Also, there has to be a level of job security if they can make the playoffs, and maybe they think that they need Al to have any chance of doing so.

Aside from data like this, I have been doubting that the Jazz would bring Al back simply due to his cost over the next 4-5 years and how that doesn't mesh with signing the younger guys. That being said, the trade deadline has passed, the playoffs are nearly out of reach, there is a good chance Al won't be resigned, and it appears that the numbers support the Al detractors- so the logical move would be to play Al significantly less minutes (around 20 per game) the rest of the season and see if the team responds. Do the coaches have the cajones to risk locker room and vet discontent to start playing for the future at this point?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Jazz give Corbin one last year to see what he can do with a different lineup, since they are on the hook for that year financially anyways and Raja Bell is the only instance I can think of the Jazz paying and not getting anything in return.

[kebutah]

Defensively Al is pretty effective at screening Jazz players from following their men, even on the perimeter.

[StocktonShorts]

1. The Jazz historically don't like having lame duck coaches, so they make sure the current coach has a contract that goes beyond the current season

2. The Millers are cheap and refuse to pay two head coaches simultaneously

3. Therefore, Ty will always be the Jazz coach until he quits or dies.

[Jazzfan12]

Favors and Al are too slow defensively to play together. You can't run lineups with two centers in today's NBA when one of those centers moves like he's in quicksand.

[RyanStorm]

I think its a mixture of both staff and players:

1. Corbin is not a head coach, he has only proved to be 8th at best as an intermin, as an assisstant turned head coach. His inability to do what normal head coaches would do has left us high and dry on the road an against any team above .500. He lacks almost all the key elements to be a winning coach(leadership, experience, balls, leadership x2, knowledge of basketball, etc).

2. Sidney Lowe was an extremely terrible head coach who is now teaching Corbin what he knows, which is bad for Corbin. Lowe has to be the worst possible choice for an assisstant, and I can't believe no one ever questions what he is doing to this club. Without Hornacek we would probably would be somewhere down with the T-Wolves and Suns, cause thats how we really play. Lowe and Corbin no nothing about Jazz basketball or about coaching a Jazz team.

3. Al Jefferson's price/performance is terrible especially when looking at his defense. Everyone who was in our starters was one sided, they were either offensive or defensive(Marv = D, the rest = Off). Jefferson's entire game is flawed, and if it weren't for our bench being top caliber, this team would be nothing. with Favors and Kanter on the bench it is crystal clear that we need to move forward away from the terrible trade for Jefferson that was originally meant to take future greatness for what we needed now(which didn't work cause he was meant to play with Dwill).


Any defense for Ty is the fact that he just doesn't get it and probably will never. In terms of head coaching he lacks the essential skills to take what you are given and make them a winning team. Popavich could take our 3rd stringers and get to 2nd round easily.

IF we really want to be the team we should be in the next 5 years and not what we need now to win, then we need a coach who can teach a bunch of franchise players on how to take their talent to the next level. Not trade draft picks for guys like Jefferson.

[red4hf]

While that article seems to make a convincing story what I would like to see is the breakdown of where opponents scoring comes from when Jefferson is on the floor...... Does it come from opposing perimeter players, forwards or centers....... Because if it's the guards or forwards who are lighting us up, it's hard to blame that on Al Jefferson since she shouldn't be guarding them in the first place...... But, if it's coming from post players, then it can be placed mostly on him.......

[Jazzfan12]

While that article seems to make a convincing story what I would like to see is the breakdown of where opponents scoring comes from when Jefferson is on the floor...... Does it come from opposing perimeter players, forwards or centers....... Because if it's the guards or forwards who are lighting us up, it's hard to blame that on Al Jefferson since she shouldn't be guarding them in the first place...... But, if it's coming from post players, then it can be placed mostly on him.......

Basketball is a 5 on 5 sport, not a series of 1 on 1 matchups. Al doesn't help to stop penetration like good defensive big men, he can't defend the pick-and-roll at all, all of his numbers defensively have been terrible forever, all of his teams have been terrible defensively.

[reapaman]

If you can win with Boozer's crappy defense and unclutchness then you can win with Jefferson.

As for Corbin, almost every team's fans think their coach is an idiot even if they once thought that coach was brilliant or even if their team is towards the top of the standings. The grass always looks greener on the other side. Mike brown looks good now but within a month you all will think he's an idiot just like the teams fans did in cleveland and LA. Fans just don't understand coaching for the most part, its alot tougher than it looks.

Mabey we can do better than Corbin and AL but the real problem is not enough talent and the overall crappiness of the guards in one way or another.

[red4hf]

It's a great question, how is that the Bulls are consistently one of the best defensive teams in the NBA even with a balck hole on defense Boozer? The answer, coaching and defensive schemes......

If Jefferson is so terrible as a help defender, how about you tell the perimeter players to prevent dribble penetration, thereby cutting down the need for Jefferson to slide from the player he's defending......

[QuantumMacgyver]

If you can win with Boozer's crappy defense and unclutchness then you can win with Jefferson.

As for Corbin, almost every team's fans think their coach is an idiot even if they once thought that coach was brilliant or even if their team is towards the top of the standings. The grass always looks greener on the other side. Mike brown looks good now but within a month you all will think he's an idiot just like the teams fans did in cleveland and LA. Fans just don't understand coaching for the most part, its alot tougher than it looks.

Mabey we can do better than Corbin and AL but the real problem is not enough talent and the overall crappiness of the guards in one way or another.

And also Enes Kanter sucks.

[StocktonShorts]

As for Corbin, almost every team's fans think their coach is an idiot even if they once thought that coach was brilliant or even if their team is towards the top of the standings. The grass always looks greener on the other side. Mike brown looks good now but within a month you all will think he's an idiot just like the teams fans did in cleveland and LA. Fans just don't understand coaching for the most part, its alot tougher than it looks.

I believe that coaching an NBA team is difficult. That doesn't change my opinion that Ty Corbin isn't cut out for it.

[QuantumMacgyver]

If you look at the main responsibilities of a head coach;

1) Develop offensive and defensive schemes
2) Develop young talent
3) Manage the game with timeouts and substitutions

Corbin dones none of these. He obviously has no clue in regard to offensive schemes. He claims to be a defensive minded coach but we SUCK on D and I don't think it is all on the players. He clearly hasn't helped our youngs progress. If anything everything they have accomplished seems to be in spite of Corbin. And he is AWFUL at managing the games with timeouts and subs.

[slcjosh]

If you can win with Boozer's crappy defense and unclutchness then you can win with Jefferson.

As for Corbin, almost every team's fans think their coach is an idiot even if they once thought that coach was brilliant or even if their team is towards the top of the standings. The grass always looks greener on the other side. Mike brown looks good now but within a month you all will think he's an idiot just like the teams fans did in cleveland and LA. Fans just don't understand coaching for the most part, its alot tougher than it looks.

Mabey we can do better than Corbin and AL but the real problem is not enough talent and the overall crappiness of the guards in one way or another.

Ive been saying this for a long time. Back when we had boozer i had what i called the boozer index with my friends who watched religiously with me. we would count the points he was responsible for including buckets made, assists, or any way he was directly attributable to the points scored. We would then count the points he could be directly attributed with against the jazz, stupid fouls, shots getting blocked, not hedging properly on a pick and roll screen, just screaming for memo* to "GRAB DAT SHIIIIIIIIIII" etc. He was always close to negative. Yet those teams found a way to win 50+ games on several occasions. The difference was we had a permieter player who could make a play at will.

[Jazzfan Bayamon]

Here's an idea for a Coach to consider: play Al Jefferson with better defenders, ie Favors instead of Millsap and anybody in place of Mo Williams who can't guard anybody...... Stop telling our guards to allow dribble penetration which is the biggest problem we have on defense...... Stop telling guards to double team opposing bigs, which leads to wide open threes......

None of that is on Al Jefferson......

Not only this, but I've noticed that our defensive shortcomings (easy layups and wideopen j's) continue even when Al is on the bench. So, What gives? If he's so bad, how come he leaves to the bench and our defense continues to be horrible? Aren't Favors and Kanter great at D? Our biggrest problem is our defensive scheme, which goes with coaching. Other teams have Corbin's scheme read, and they exploit it with whoever we put out there.

I think Ty's crazy and stupid rotations and idiotic coaching have lost this team. It's been a while since I've seen them play with any emotion. The last NY loss was just baffling as the Knicks kept shoving and slaping us, and none of our guys gave back. A flagrant foul on one of those hard (moving) screens that Thomas set, or a elbow or shoulder every time they started riding our ballhandlers knocking them off balance was at hand. It would have ignited our team and sent a message to them that we ain't getting bullied. But we took it. And didn't even seem to mind. They laughed at us like the old guys at the gym do when they beat a young team with just wit and swag.

Corbin has no effect on this team. He is just...

His decisions:

Carol, benched
Tinsley, benched
Marv, consistent playing time
Watson, consistent playing time
Burks, not used enough
Foye, used too much
Favors, not in the SL
Evans, Is he on the team?

Really?

Our SL should be:

Mo, Hay, Millsap, Favors and Al.

Play through Hayward and the post. Bring Foye, Burks, Tinsley off the bench on the perimiter, Caroll, Kanter for the front court. Impose OUR will on teams, not play to theirs.

Corbin has just got to go.

[Jazzfan12]

Umm:

Jazz DRtg with Al on the court: 108.3
Jazz DRtg with Al on the bench: 97.7

From NBA.com

97.7 would be one of the best marks in the league, 108.3 would be one of the worst.

[StocktonShorts]

So there's really no way Corbin keeps his job, right?