Rhymes with Nintendo - The Gerald Henderson Thread

Snidely FC · Post #341 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:54 pm

What I'm worried about is that this man earns $7.5 mln.

"I used to be jealous of Arron Afflalo.
I used to be jealous of Arron Afflalo.
He was the one to follow."
- Kendrick Lamar

LamarMatic7 · Post #342 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:27 pm

Snidely FC wrote:What I'm worried about is that this man earns $7.5 mln.

"I used to be jealous of Arron Afflalo.
I used to be jealous of Arron Afflalo.
He was the one to follow."
- Kendrick Lamar

Afflalo earning 7.5 mil just shows the lack of great shooting guards in the league. When you look at it from that perspective, he is worth the money. He is definitely better than Hendo as well.

A fun trivia stat - Afflalo has improved his ppg each of the six seasons he's been in the league. The record holder is Earl Watson who did this for seven straight years.

HornetJail · Post #343 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:58 pm

He's a slightly better, much more consistent, but less explosive than Hendo. He can't take over a game the way Henderson has done in a few games recently. He shoots threes a lot better (not this season though).

Afflalo's scoring is up around 17ppg as the first option on the Magic and is shooting 44/31/86. Yeah, the great D and 3 guy is shooting 31% from deep. You can definitely say he's not having a great season and isn't living up to the contract, but if Henderson keeps up his play through the remainder of the year, you can expect Hendo to get an offer similar to Afflalo. With Henderson's good play becoming more and more consistent, I can live with that contract.

LamarMatic7 · Post #344 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:18 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Afflalo's scoring is up around 17ppg as the first option on the Magic and is shooting 44/31/86. Yeah, the great D and 3 guy is shooting 31% from deep. You can definitely say he's not having a great season and isn't living up to the contract, but if Henderson keeps up his play through the remainder of the year, you can expect Hendo to get an offer similar to Afflalo. With Henderson's good play becoming more and more consistent, I can live with that contract.

You shouldn't take these last few games into account to such an extent. There's no way I, for one, would give Hendo 7.5 mil per year. Imo, these are the contracts that kill you when the particular player fails to deliver. Those 6, 7, 8 million for a guy who should be the fourth best player on your team.

HornetJail · Post #345 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:29 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:Afflalo's scoring is up around 17ppg as the first option on the Magic and is shooting 44/31/86. Yeah, the great D and 3 guy is shooting 31% from deep. You can definitely say he's not having a great season and isn't living up to the contract, but if Henderson keeps up his play through the remainder of the year, you can expect Hendo to get an offer similar to Afflalo. With Henderson's good play becoming more and more consistent, I can live with that contract.

You shouldn't take these last few games into account to such an extent. There's no way I, for one, would give Hendo 7.5 mil per year. Imo, these are the contracts that kill you when the particular player fails to deliver. Those 6, 7, 8 million for a guy who should be the fourth best player on your team.

and down the road it's fairly likely Henderson will be our 4th best player. Right now he's the easy #2 behind Kemba.

Post #346 » by **fatlever** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:31 am

another great game from hendo tonight. i dont know if we should be excited about the thought that he has finally taken the step and is becoming a top 15 shooting guard or scared that we are about to grossly overpay for a guy who come next year will be the same inconsistent hendo we all know.

Post #347 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:57 am

fatlever wrote:another great game from hendo tonight. i dont know if we should be excited about the thought that he has finally taken the step and is becoming a top 15 shooting guard or scared that we are about to grossly overpay for a guy who come next year will be the same inconsistent hendo we all know.

Give him the same sort of first contract we gave Wallace when he started to break out. 3/18 - 3/20. If he earns it over those three years his next contract will be his big pay day (ala Wallace and that big deal he is on).

TheKingofSting · Post #348 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:09 am

I have never wanted to get on too much of a high over small sample sizes but we have got to keep him somehow.

HornetJail · Post #349 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:21 am

fatlever wrote:another great game from hendo tonight. i dont know if we should be excited about the thought that he has finally taken the step and is becoming a top 15 shooting guard or scared that we are about to grossly overpay for a guy who come next year will be the same inconsistent hendo we all know.

Bryan Colangelo has 2340923498450495498151098084939 dollars wrapped up in Rudy Gay, Derozan, Fields, and Bargnani. I think we're safe from ridiculous 9-10M offers, but we should be prepared to match Afflalolike offers. That's an official word in this thread "Afflalolike".

Kembastockton · Post #350 » by **Kembastockton** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:22 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
fatlever wrote:another great game from hendo tonight. i dont know if we should be excited about the thought that he has finally taken the step and is becoming a top 15 shooting guard or scared that we are about to grossly overpay for a guy who come next year will be the same inconsistent hendo we all know.

Bryan Colangelo has 2340923498450495498151098084939 dollars wrapped up in Rudy Gay, Derozan, Fields, and Bargnani. I think we're safe from ridiculous 9-10M offers, but we should be prepared to match Afflalolike offers. That's an official word in this thread "Afflalolike".

I agree. Everyone needs to keep in mind that there are like 50 decent two guards available this summer. :lol:

Hendo will have to pull a Raymond/DJ (take less money) to leave. I think Hendo is to much smarter, and to much more comfortable being in Charlotte than those two to do that.

Snidely FC · Post #351 » by **Snidely FC** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:45 pm

Player A: 16.9 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.3 apg, 13.29 PER, 44% FG, 30% 3s, 86% FT

Player B: 14.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.3 apg, 15.96 PER, 44 % FG, 36% 3s, 83% FT

Player C: 12.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5.0 apg, 14.99 PER, 44 % FG, 31% 3s, 58% FT

So, which is Afflalo, which is Hendo, which is Andre Iguadola?

While Aff and Ig are currently (Hendo's 25, Afflalo 27, Iggy 29) superior all around players, if I'm Hendo's agent

I'm pointing at those numbers and saying Hendo's #s are in the neighborhood of two guys getting paid 7.5 & 15 mln respectively.

Personally, in a sane world, I'd pay Hendo 5mln/

Kembastockton · Post #352 » by **Kembastockton** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:08 pm

Hendo might be in the range of the guys who earn that much no one is denying that. The point is we are entering the first stage of the new luxury tax era that is so tough that some people are expecting the Heat to get broken up next year. Teams are going to get stingier and stingier. Then when you consider all of the competition he will face for the few teams with dollars to spend it is highly doubtful he gets offered much money. Forget the bigs and points who will be available he has to compete against these wings. Tyreke, OJ, Ariza, A. A., Stephen Jackson, Wesley Johnson, Nick Young, Kevin Martin, J.R. Smith, Chris Copeland, Roger Mason Jr., Al Farouq Amino, Dante Cunningham, Chase Buddinger, J.J Reddick, Monte Ellis, Tony Allen, Brandon Rush, Corey Brewer, and Marco Belinelli. Almost all of these guys can make the arguement that they are better, as good as, or more experienced than Hendo to the handful of teams with significant cap space or desire to use their exceptions. Hendo's best option is to be humble, and try to work out a deal that works for him and the bobcats.

BobsBuddy · Post #353 » by **BobsBuddy** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:37 pm

Think about this? Who has the Bobcats ever extended or resigned over 6 million a year?
NOBODY :eek1:

LamarMatic7 · Post #354 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:44 pm

The league has started to take notice

Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA 58m
Quietly having a very nice month or so: Gerald Henderson, free agent to be.

Kembastockton · Post #355 » by **Kembastockton** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:58 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::angel: Think about this? Who has the Bobcats ever extended or resigned over 6 million a year?
NOBODY

.... Tyrus

Post #356 » by **fatlever** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:52 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Player A: 16.9 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.3 apg, 13.29 PER, 44% FG, 30% 3s, 86% FT

Player B: 14.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.3 apg, 15.96 PER, 44 % FG, 36% 3s, 83% FT

Player C: 12.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5.0 apg, 14.99 PER, 44 % FG, 31% 3s, 58% FT

So, which is Afflalo, which is Hendo, which is Andre Iguadola?

While Aff and Ig are currently (Hendo's 25, Afflalo 27, Iggy 29) superior all around players, if I'm Hendo's agent I'm pointing at those numbers and saying Hendo's #s are in the neighborhood of two guys getting paid 7.5 & 15 mln respectively.

Personally, in a sane world, I'd pay Hendo 5mln/

and i would tell hendo's agent the following:

a) iggy and afflalo are better defenders than your client
b) iggy and afflalo are better rebounders and passers (in iggy's case, much better)
c) both iggy's and afflalo's contracts are not favorable contracts (especially in iggy's case) so we do not plan on following the lead of teams that overpaid for those two players.
d) the offer to your client is 3 years starting at 5 mil (with 10% raises each season). the 3rd year is a player option. if your client continues to improve at the rate he has shown the past 2 months of this season he could be in line for a big raise in two years and we will certainly resume discussions to keep him here long term.
e) if your client is not interested in that deal, we would be OK with keeping him on his qualifying offer for next year allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent next summer, where we still might have interest in keeping him long term if the feeling is mutual and depending on what we do in the draft over the next two summers.

Snidely FC · Post #357 » by **Snidely FC** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:01 pm

Plus, when you search Arron Afflalo, these fine women come up among the images:

Unfortunately, for Gerald, all that comes up is . . .

thruthefire · Post #358 » by **thruthefire** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:10 pm

http://bkref.com/tiny/a6HB0

Hendo has a higher rebound percentage than Afflalo, slightly higher assist percentage, lower turnover percentage, much higher free throw rate, and much higher steal and block percentages. I haven't seen anything from Afflalo that would me think he's a noticeably better defender than Hendo, if at all. Hendo has certainly had his way with Orlando this season.

That said, I wouldn't want to give Hendo a five-year deal. $7.5MM per might be high, but it would be OK on a shorter deal.

LamarMatic7 · Post #359 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:55 am

Interesting Gerald Henderson stat - he's averaging 5 shots at the rim per game during the month of March. His average for the season is 3.2.

I think it definitely confirms the eye test - when he's motivated he goes to the rim more and hence scores more.

messed_up_todd · Post #360 » by **messed_up_todd** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:26 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:Interesting Gerald Henderson stat - he's averaging 5 shots at the rim per game during the month of March. His average for the season is 3.2.

I think it definitely confirms the eye test - when he's motivated he goes to the rim more and hence scores more.

What website do you use to find this kind of statistic?