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MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game

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MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#1 » by Wilford Brimley » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:12 pm

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MM on plan for running game: "There's schematic changes. In the process of finalizing our plan for the running game."


Figured it would give us something to talk about during this lull period.

Im guessing this means more power? Makes sense that we are looking at guys like S Jackson.

Also went in on left side of line.

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Re: MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#2 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:15 pm

Tom, it's Barclay*

It'd be almost impossible for the running game NOT to improve. I'll welcome any change.
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Re: MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#3 » by emunney » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:11 pm

This year, ALL the running plays will be delayed handoffs to Kuhn.
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Re: MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#4 » by eagle13 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:23 pm

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Rob Demovsky ‏@RobDemovsky 13m
MM on plan for running game: "There's schematic changes. In the process of finalizing our plan for the running game."


Figured it would give us something to talk about during this lull period.

Im guessing this means more power? Makes sense that we are looking at guys like S Jackson.

Also went in on left side of line.

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MM on Newhouse: "Marshall played OK. We need some improvement on the left side of line. Bulaga and Barkley with Josh was a good combination.

Delighted they're making changes - hated ZBS from day 1.

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Sherrod if healthy & ready
Newhouse if vast improvement
Datko darkhorse
Bulaga if all else fails

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Re: MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#5 » by Ayt » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:58 pm

We started using more power plays last year including pulling our guards, something we'd never done previously under MM.
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Re: MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#6 » by Wilford Brimley » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:01 pm

Ayt wrote:We started using more power plays last year including pulling our guards, something we'd never done previously under MM.


yup, i did notice a shift, really in the last 2 years ish. hope we continue down that path.

obviously this means we are drafting lacy. :D
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Post#7 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:20 pm

This has been in the cards for a while. Hate that you guys don't believe me when I tell you things ;)

Any interest in the X's and O's talk on Zone vs. Power?
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Post#8 » by Wilford Brimley » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:25 pm

Bucksfans1and2 wrote:This has been in the cards for a while. Hate that you guys don't believe me when I tell you things ;)

Any interest in the X's and O's talk on Zone vs. Power?


YES. :drool:
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Post#9 » by eagle13 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:30 pm

yes
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Re: MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#10 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:32 pm

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Bucksfans1and2 wrote:This has been in the cards for a while. Hate that you guys don't believe me when I tell you things ;)

Any interest in the X's and O's talk on Zone vs. Power?


YES. :drool:


K, this is gonna be a long one, and I've got class in a few minutes, so hopefully it's up tonight, if not look for it about noon when Valpo's pulling the upset of the tournament and stunning Tom Izzo's Michigan State team in their own backyard.

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Re: MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#11 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:32 am

If you were to break down Zone Blocking into one phrase, it would be "Flank and Anchor".

It was designed so that teams with smaller and lighter (read: ****/cheaper) lineman could still run the ball effectively. The idea was to use speed rather than power to outflank your opponent rather than crash through them.

On the snap of the ball the offensive linemen take a hard step at a 45 degree angle towards where the ball is going, and they try and attack the play side shoulder of the defensive lineman in front of them. They work their hips around so that their bodies are between their man and intended path of the ball carrier. From there, they don't have to drive their man backwards, they themselves just can't be driven backwards until the ball carrier is past them. It's much easier to stalemate than to drive a guy off the ball.

The thing is, that getting to the outside shoulder of a guy that's lined up outside of you is really difficult. A lot of times you won't be able to reach him and he'll shut down the gap the running back is supposed to run through. The beauty of the scheme is that by taking away one gap, he's opening up another gap. It's the job of the running back to see his blockers and understand which gaps are open.



You hear people talk about "One cut runners" and what they mean by that, is that a back gets the ball, sees how his blocks are developing and makes one cut into the open hole. In a power scheme, a running back shouldn't have to read or make "One cut". On a 34 Dive, the 4 hole should be open, and if it's not, the running back isn't at fault. On an Outside Zone Right, there's no hole designated. It's up to the RB to find the hole, because one has to be open unless there's a perfectly called blitz or something like that.

An ideal Zone play looks like this:

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The back doesn't have to make a cut. He sees that the DE and the playside LB are both "killed" and the back runs off the TE, untouched into the secondary.

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Sadly for offenses, Zone plays are rarely ideal, just because it's a rare occurence for a TE to be able to seal a DE inside. When the DE beats the TE, the play isn't dead however, if the RB sees it and makes a correct read. So long as the Tackle and the Guard make their blocks, there's a running lane between the Tackle and TE.

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The beautiful thing about the Zone blocking scheme is that if the back has great vision, there's always a running lane. If the Guard gets beat and the TE gets beat, there's still a lane so long as the Tackle "kills" the LB. It's just that instead of being off the ass of the TE, it's now between the Center and the Guard.

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Even if literally every single lineman gets beat, there is still a gap for the back to run through. It's just on the opposite side of the formation.

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Now in real life, most backs won't see any hole farther down the line than the gap between the Center and the playside Guard. We've been cursed with backs with horrible vision. Our RBs are having a good day if they see as far as the gap between the Guard and the Tackle. Arian Foster is a guy who has incredible vision, and you occasionally see him cut across the entire backfield for a big gain.

The farther a play gets strung out, the bigger the holes are on the backside of the play. That sort of freedom allows the lineman on the backside of the play to cut block their men. This is better because cut blocking a guy is much easier than reaching his opposite shoulder. Getting guys on the ground on the front side of a play usually just creates a pile that prevents the back from running, but on the backside taking a DLineman's legs out works because there's space for the back to avoid the pile.

Turn down the volume on your computer if you click on the link, but it should take you to a play against the Cowboys where you see Foster do just what I'm talking about. There are examples throughout the video of what a Zone scheme RB is supposed to look like. He's really good, and you see it because you watch the play and you think he's bottled up and then he makes a cut into space that even from the pressbox view you didn't see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgeqUrlmhvg&t=2m20s

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Re: MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#12 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:45 pm

If you were to break down Power Blocking into one phrase, it would be "Double and Drive".

The idea behind the Power blocking scheme is to get down blocks. A down block is a block where a Lineman can come "down" at an angle and push a guy sideways rather than straight backwards. It's much easier to drive somebody at an angle rather than straight backwards. When you can't get a down block, you try and "double down." Doubling down is a sort of soft double team. The first guy hits the defensive lineman and tries to control the guy. Then the other guy down blocks the defensive lineman that the first guy is blocking and tries to knock him down or put him off balance so that the first guy can control him.

Once the first offensive lineman has the guy under control, the second offensive lineman slides to the next level and hits a LB. Defensive lineman are taught to try and take on this double team and try and keep both guys occupied. If the first offensive lineman can't get the defensive lineman under control, the second offensive lineman can't get to the next level because the Defensive Lineman will make the tackle. The offense would rather have a LB come free than a DLineman. It's the difference between a gain of 2 and a loss of 1.

On some plays, you'll see two double downs to two LBs:

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In many instances an ILB can become overrated if the Defensive lineman in front of him can eat double teams at a high level. Ray Lewis hasn't been a great ILB for a few years now, but because Haloti Ngata is in front of him, he looks very good. Go down the list of ILBs and you'll find that in most instances, the star ILB has a star DL in front of him. It's not a coincidence that AJ Hawk's best season in the 3-4 came during BJ Raji's best season.

NFL teams in many cases are struggling to find elite run blockers. As DLineman become bigger, there are fewer OLineman that can move the bigger DLineman, and the bigger OLineman struggle at times in pass protection. There are guys like Chad Clifton that can move his feet but couldn't drive me, and there are guys like DJ Fluker who can maul anybody, but Ryan Pickett could get the corner on him. Finding the guy who can do both at a high level is really rare, and in many instances that's why the ZBS is more popular, because it can give you the best combination of run blocking and pass blocking.

The other thing that the Power Blocking scheme uses is pulling. By pulling a Guard, you can bring another blocker to the play side. Rather than "doubling down" with the Center and backside Guard, you down block with the Center and bring the backside Guard around to the play side to make a block.

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Based on what you want to do, the pulling Guard either hits the playside DE or hits the playside Linebacker.

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Re: MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#13 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:57 pm

I expect nothing out of Sherrod. He looked bad his rookie season (yes some rookies look bad and then develop) and missing a whole season doesn't make me optimistic. I'd consider anything we get out of him to be a bonus but I wouldn't count on anything.
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Post#14 » by eagle13 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:09 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:I expect nothing out of Sherrod. He looked bad his rookie season (yes some rookies look bad and then develop) and missing a whole season doesn't make me optimistic. I'd consider anything we get out of him to be a bonus but I wouldn't count on anything.

In JS article today M3 said left side of Oline needed improvement and that Newhouse needed to play better (no
**** Mike). M3 said Sherrod's injury was bad - might be ready for camp but uncertain - translation - he's going to have an amputation. Also said it was to early to say Bulaga will move to LT - translation - we're hoping to draft a LT early. Come on Datko the door is wide open!
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Post#15 » by Wilford Brimley » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:18 pm

^does his leg really have to be amputated?
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Post#16 » by Siefer » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:18 pm

Wilford Brimley wrote:^does his leg really have to be amputated?


Oh wow.

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Post#17 » by eagle13 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:14 am

Wilford Brimley wrote:^does his leg really have to be amputated?

No.
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Re: MM: Team "finalizing schematic change" in run game 

Post#18 » by MVP2110 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:13 pm

Maybe TT & McCarthy watched the badgers the last few years and want a rb like Montee and the scheme to go with it :wink:
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