Cammo Counts Down The Top 100 MMA Fighters of All Time

Jasen777 · Post #21 » by **Jasen777** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:27 pm

Cammo101 wrote: Make this list a few years from now, and Weidman might be in the top 30.

Or off the list all together (hopefully not).

Cammo101 · Post #22 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:43 pm

Jasen777 wrote:
Cammo101 wrote: Make this list a few years from now, and Weidman might be in the top 30.

Or off the list all together (hopefully not).

True, but I suspect Weidman is the real deal.

Cammo101 · Post #23 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:12 pm

#85 - Jeremy Horn

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jeremy-Horn-202

All Jeremy Horn has done in his MMA career is amass a career record of 89-21. Oddly enough, that is only good for second on this list in victories. Horn has fought all over the map, including a run in the UFC that saw him become the only fighter in history to submit Chuck Liddell (Liddell later avenged his loss). Horn also has the dubious distinction of holding three victories over Chael Sonnen. He also holds wins over Forrest Griffin, Gilbert Yvel, and Court McGee.

Cammo101 · Post #24 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:37 am

#84 - Tatsuya "Crusher" Kawajiri

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tatsuya-Kawajiri-1326

A longtime standout on the Japanese MMA scene, Kawajiri has stared in Shooto, Pride, and Dream. He has been amongst the best Lightweights and Featherweights in MMA for the better part of a decade. Kawajiri holds a career record of 32-7, with wins over Joachim Hansen, Josh Thomson, JZ Cavalcante, Vitor Ribeiro, and Yves Edwards. Kawajiri could go down as one of the very best fighters to never grace the UFC's octagon.

Post #25 » by **CPT** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:03 pm

I don't know if I have any strong disagreements just yet (Weidman probably doesn't have the 88th most impressive resume in MMA history, but I'll let it slide because I tend to skew toward the more recent guys), but so far, to me, the theme is "really, this guy is one of the top 100 guys to ever compete in this sport?"

Cammo101 · Post #26 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:54 pm

CPT wrote:I don't know if I have any strong disagreements just yet (Weidman probably doesn't have the 88th most impressive resume in MMA history, but I'll let it slide because I tend to skew toward the more recent guys), but so far, to me, the theme is "really, this guy is one of the top 100 guys to ever compete in this sport?"

Agreed. It is still a young sport, there have only been so many big time stars.

Cammo101 · Post #27 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:00 pm

#83 - Diego Sanchez

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Diego-Sanchez-4824

The winner of the first season of The Ultimate Fighter, Diego Sanchez has been one of the UFC's most consistent performers ever since. Diego has a career 24-5 record, with 13-5 of that coming inside the UFC. Diego holds wins over Kenny Florian, Nick Diaz, Karo Parisyan, Clay Guida, Martin Kampmann, and Takanori Gomi.

Cammo101 · Post #28 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:00 am

#82 - Johny "Big Rigg" Hendricks

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Johny-Hendricks-24539

Until very recently, Johny Hendricks was among the most underrated fighters in all of MMA. At 15-1, and a crazy 10-1 in the UFC, Hendricks is under the radar no longer. He holds victories over Carlos Condit, Martin Kampmann, Josh Koscheck, and Jon Fitch. Like I said about Chris Weidman earlier, Hendricks is a guy who in a few years could well have vaulted near the top of this list.

Post #29 » by **CPT** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:22 am

It's weird, but Hendricks should probably be way higher.

He's nothing like Weidman. He's beaten 3 guys likely to be ahead of him on this list, and one more below him. If he retired today, he would have already had a great career.

Like 20 spots too low, if not more.

Cammo101 · Post #30 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:27 pm

CPT wrote:It's weird, but Hendricks should probably be way higher.

He's nothing like Weidman. He's beaten 3 guys likely to be ahead of him on this list, and one more below him. If he retired today, he would have already had a great career.

Like 20 spots too low, if not more.

An argument could certainly be made for that. He is a victim of his unfinished resume, as a lot of guys ahead of him have more accomplishments, because they have been around a lot longer.

Cammo101 · Post #31 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:36 pm

#81 - Michael "The Count" Bisping

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Michael-Bisping-10196

A former Ultimate Fighter winner and a major catalyst to MMA's popularity in Europe, Michael Bisping is one of the most important and influential fighters in all of MMA. He is also a very good fighter. He holds a career record of 23-5, with 13-5 inside the UFC. Bisping holds wins over Matt Hamill, Chris Leben, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Brian Stann, and Jason Miller. He also holds a strange distinction of having all 5 of his losses come to guys ahead of him on this list.

Post #32 » by **CPT** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:33 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
CPT wrote:It's weird, but Hendricks should probably be way higher.

He's nothing like Weidman. He's beaten 3 guys likely to be ahead of him on this list, and one more below him. If he retired today, he would have already had a great career.

Like 20 spots too low, if not more.

An argument could certainly be made for that. He is a victim of his unfinished resume, as a lot of guys ahead of him have more accomplishments, because they have been around a lot longer.

Do they though?

Fitch, Koscheck, Kampmann, Condit. All in their primes. Who else has a resume that comes even close to touching that? GSP? I'm not saying he's the 2nd greatest WW of all time, and I know he's hardly a household name, but give the guy his due.

Bisping is ahead of him with his top 5 wins over Hamill, Leben, Akiyama, Stann, and Mayhem? Is that a joke?

I'm actually cool with Bisping being pretty high because he's been an important figure in the sport, but I think we're going to be going on a long run of guys with a resume significantly worse than Hendricks. Unless you fix it, that is.

Cammo101 · Post #33 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:08 am

CPT wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:
CPT wrote:It's weird, but Hendricks should probably be way higher.

He's nothing like Weidman. He's beaten 3 guys likely to be ahead of him on this list, and one more below him. If he retired today, he would have already had a great career.

Like 20 spots too low, if not more.

An argument could certainly be made for that. He is a victim of his unfinished resume, as a lot of guys ahead of him have more accomplishments, because they have been around a lot longer.

Do they though?

Fitch, Koscheck, Kampmann, Condit. All in their primes. Who else has a resume that comes even close to touching that? GSP? I'm not saying he's the 2nd greatest WW of all time, and I know he's hardly a household name, but give the guy his due.

Bisping is ahead of him with his top 5 wins over Hamill, Leben, Akiyama, Stann, and Mayhem? Is that a joke?

I'm actually cool with Bisping being pretty high because he's been an important figure in the sport, but I think we're going to be going on a long run of guys with a resume significantly worse than Hendricks. Unless you fix it, that is.

Hendricks has those 4 whopping wins, but he doesn't have many other quality wins. He has never fought for a title. He has not shown sustained success. I'm not saying Hendricks will go this route, but there are a lot of guys in MMA who had killer runs over a few years and then fell off.

Hendricks is a polarizing guy on the list for sure. And I'm sure a case could be made for him over a decent chunk of the next few guys.

With Bisping specifically, you have to take into account he is a TUF winner and his 5 losses are to the cream of the MMA crop.

Cammo101 · Post #34 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:14 am

#80 - Chael Sonnen

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Chael-Sonnen-4112

Although he is best known for his loss to Anderson Silva, Chael Sonnen is an elite MMA Middleweight. He holds a career record of 27-12, with a UFC record of 5-3. He holds wins over Nate Marquardt, Michael Bisping, Yushin Okami, Brian Stann, and Paulo Filho. Chael has consistently fought the best in the world, and he seems to get better with age.

High 5 · Post #35 » by **High 5** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:30 am

I'm with CPT. Hendricks has 3 wins that trump any wins Bisping has. Sure Bisping won TUF, but he beat 3 total bums. His big championship opponent, Josh Haynes, was 2-5 against fighters with a Wikipedia page. That's all the evidence I need.

Not that I want or expect you to change your list. I doubt I could settle on a solid top ten, much less a top 100.

SDM · Post #36 » by **SDM** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:33 am

High 5 wrote:2-5 against fighters with a Wikipedia page. That's all the evidence I need.

I found this funny for some reason. Good litmus test.

Jasen777 · Post #37 » by **Jasen777** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:22 am

High 5 wrote:Sure Bisping won TUF, but he beat 3 total bums. His big championship opponent, Josh Haynes, was 2-5 against fighters with a Wikipedia page. That's all the evidence I need.

Haynes was also naturally a weight class or two below Bisping (even though Bisping dropped a class). He also fought Ross (who despite throwing bombs) is a career 6-17 and last fought at lightweight, and then Kristian Rothaermel who is 4-3 (0-3 against guys with wiki pages). It was one of the least distinguished TUF runs ever.

Bisping may have good loses, but he doesn't really have any great wins. I'd have him below some of the other guys on your list.

tracey_nice · Post #38 » by **tracey_nice** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:30 am

diaz #1 in these "objective"/detached rankings by guys that don't trane and also #1 in my heart.

Cammo101 · Post #39 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:01 am

#79 - Pedro "The Rock" Rizzo

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Pedro-Rizzo-208

Three time UFC title contender Pedro Rizzo is among the best Heavyweights in UFC history. He holds a career record of 19-10, but many of those losses came due to fighting well past his prime. He went 9-5 while in the UFC and holds victories over Ken Shamrock, Andrei Arlovski, Josh Barnett, Dan Severn, and Mark Coleman.

SDM · Post #40 » by **SDM** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:17 am

Rizzo should be higher.