Is it safe to call these guys busts?
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Babbitt a bust? Lol. That dude can drain threes.
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pr0wler wrote:SaiCLE wrote:Tristan Thompson is not a bust. The only thing i can complain about is that he does not have a offense game at all and he overthinks things too much which result in him getting blocked. Varejao has been mentoring him lately and it's rubbing off on him..he's pure hustle, his post defense improve alot, he is a good rebounder, and he put on a lot of muscle. He is super raw on offense to the point it is embarrising though. he was drafted as a raw big, hopefully the cavs will have him develop a post game instead of a jumper.
I can't speak on the others because I don't watch them enough.
That's all? Yeah not having any offensive game at all isn't a major flaw or anything...
Tristan has developed some moves in the post. Can put the ball on the floor and make something happen. Averaging 12 points and 10 rebounds after the break. Has been an above average defender. Only 21 years of age with a great workethic, this guy is only scratching the surface of his ability.
I understand why you'd call guys like Vesely and Wes busts, but TT is on another level.
pr0wler wrote:TheNewEra wrote:Aminu is 10/7/2 this year while being a beast on the fast break and being drafted as a project. AFA is far from bust he will and is turning into a strong glue guy type player give him another 2 years.
Wow 10 PPG in 30 minutes in his 3rd year, hard to argue with that success!
You can act like a smartass about it, but he's been doing good. Good defender, one of the better rebounders at his position, great hustle player who initiates the fast break and loves to throw it down. Below average on offense but it is developing.
Not every player drafted 8th is expected to become a superstar or 20 ppg scorer. Aminu does a lot of things on the floor that most guys don't. He's a very good glue guy.
pr0wler wrote:Kanter might be a bust too, but he hasn't gotten very many minutes in the crowded Utah frontcourt. He needs some more minutes to determine whether the pick was justified.
To even consider that....even in limited mins he's shown his huge potential.

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moocow007 wrote:Green Backpack wrote:Thompson isn't a bust. You have to realize his expectation were raised.. he was supposed to go around 10 and Cleveland picked him early. He'll be fine.
Turner is really turning it on this season as well, especially the last few weeks. He's getting more comfortable now w/o Iggy in Philly
On Thompson, I think that (his draft position) is what people are basing the "bust" talk on. If he had gone 15, no one would be talking about him being a bust. I mean if Kwame Brown was drafted in the bottom half of the 1st instead of 1st overall he wouldn't be a bust either. Thompson was drafted too high and he's being compared to a standard that folks have in their heads about what a 4th overall pick is supposed to be able to do.
But even using that logic they'd still be wrong. Thompson is averaging 11.6 and 9.3 in his second season. That is not a bust for just about anyone other than maybe a number one pick.
Tristan has developed some moves in the post. Can put the ball on the floor and make something happen. Averaging 12 points and 10 rebounds after the break. Has been an above average defender. Only 21 years of age with a great workethic, this guy is only scratching the surface of his ability.
I understand why you'd call guys like Vesely and Wes busts, but TT is on another level.
Clearly the OP doesn't get it.
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pick 15? Id like to know who these 11 players are that are better than him from that draft...
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Enes Kanter is definitely not a bust. Tyrone Corbin is the bust. Get a decent coach in Utah and Kanter will quickly turn into at least a 18/11 player.
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Tristan Thompson is not a bust. He looks better every time I see him play. Once he adds some polish to his game he will be a solid starter for any team
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My biggest busts in the last 4 years
Austin Rivers
kendall Marshall
Jan Vesley
Bismack Biyombo
Jimmer Fredette
Nolan Smith
Wesley Johnson
Ekpe Udoh
Al-Farouq Aminu
Cole Aldrich
Luke Babbitt
Hasheem Thabeet
Jonny Flynn
Terrence Williams
Jordan Hill
Austin Rivers
kendall Marshall
Jan Vesley
Bismack Biyombo
Jimmer Fredette
Nolan Smith
Wesley Johnson
Ekpe Udoh
Al-Farouq Aminu
Cole Aldrich
Luke Babbitt
Hasheem Thabeet
Jonny Flynn
Terrence Williams
Jordan Hill
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How are Turner and Thompson busts? I know they were picked 2nd and 4th but they weren't in particularly strong draft classes. The fact is they're putting up solid numbers. Turner doesn't have to be behind Iggy anymore. And Thompson is in his 2nd year almost averaging a double double...
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To be fair, Kendall Marshall hasn't gotten much playing time so far and is a project, little early to call him a bust.
And we plan to turn Wes Johnson into a cyborg this offseason.
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pr0wler wrote:And by busts, I don't necessarily mean completely useless...but not nearly as effective based off of their expectation or draft position.
Busts:
Tristan Thompson---Has talent and far from a BUST
Jan Vesely (a bust, and completely useless NBA player) Dude is terrible and doesnt look like an NBA player
Bismack Biyombo (still young, but mediocre rebounder and 0 offensive game so far)
Evan TurnerJury still out on him. At time he shows you something and others time you wonder what NBA teams were thinking
Wesley JohnsonYes
Ekpe UdohYes, Yes
Al-Farouq AminuYes
Luke BabbittYes
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Tristan Thompson - Absolutely not.
Jan Vesely (a bust, and completely useless NBA player) - Yes.
Bismack Biyombo (still young, but mediocre rebounder and 0 offensive game so far) - Not yet.
Evan Turner - I think so.
Wesley Johnson - Easily.
Ekpe Udoh - I suppose compared to expecations he failed, but not a bust. He has a place in the league.
Al-Farouq Aminu - No.
Luke Babbitt - Probably.
Jan Vesely (a bust, and completely useless NBA player) - Yes.
Bismack Biyombo (still young, but mediocre rebounder and 0 offensive game so far) - Not yet.
Evan Turner - I think so.
Wesley Johnson - Easily.
Ekpe Udoh - I suppose compared to expecations he failed, but not a bust. He has a place in the league.
Al-Farouq Aminu - No.
Luke Babbitt - Probably.

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Bogut and Bargs are busts imo.
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Jan vesley is one of the worst players in the NBA. He is definitely a bust.
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GP2 wrote:How are Turner and Thompson busts? I know they were picked 2nd and 4th but they weren't in particularly strong draft classes. The fact is they're putting up solid numbers. Turner doesn't have to be behind Iggy anymore. And Thompson is in his 2nd year almost averaging a double double...
For Turner
George
Wall
Cousins
Favors
Hayward
Sanders
Vasquez
Would almost certainly be drafted before him
Bledsoe
Bradley
Davis
Are arguable too.
For a #2 pick in the draft I think that qualifies.
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tonyreyes123 wrote:Bogut and Bargs are busts imo.
Bogut can only be considered a "bust" if you consider the fact that he was taken before CP3 and Deron. Otherwise he has been a very good player when he is healthy.
Marvin Williams on the other hand...
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daschysta wrote:GP2 wrote:How are Turner and Thompson busts? I know they were picked 2nd and 4th but they weren't in particularly strong draft classes. The fact is they're putting up solid numbers. Turner doesn't have to be behind Iggy anymore. And Thompson is in his 2nd year almost averaging a double double...
For Turner
George
Wall
Cousins
Favors
Hayward
Sanders
Vasquez
Would almost certainly be drafted before him
Bledsoe
Bradley
Davis
Are arguable too.
For a #2 pick in the draft I think that qualifies.
Wall was drafted before him..
and LOL @ anybody who takes Hayward, Vasquez, Bledsoe, Bradley or Davis (and I'm a raptor fan) before Turner
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pr0wler wrote:And by busts, I don't necessarily mean completely useless...but not nearly as effective based off of their expectation or draft position.
Busts:
Tristan Thompson
Jan Vesely (a bust, and completely useless NBA player)
Bismack Biyombo (still young, but mediocre rebounder and 0 offensive game so far)
Evan Turner
Wesley Johnson
Ekpe Udoh
Al-Farouq Aminu
Luke Babbitt
Thompson and Turner are certainly not busts.
Thompson has really developed this season.
He won't be a 20 10 PF, but he is coming along better than i expected.
Udoh, Johson & Babbitt will be 8-12th man for the remainder or their careers, but i think Aminu will be a decent role player.
Biyombo can be anything, but i wouldn't be calling him a bust yet.
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I feel like Jan Vesely and Bismack Biyombo are definitely busts.
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I dont think Evans is a bust, I just think he was over hyped coming out of college. Still plays a pretty solid game.
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Bismack Biyombo
Right. We clearly should give up on the dude. He's already 20 freaking years old and hasn't even been an all-star. Time to blow it up and trade him for a second round pick.
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