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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#901 » by nate33 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:26 pm

mhd wrote:Current Mock draft based on standings:

1) Bobcats-Noel (will tank another year for Wiggins and let Noel heal, they have the worst frontcourt in the NBA)
2) Magic-Mclemore (I think they go Mclemore over the PGs. They can grab a young PG with their 2nd rounder)
3) Cavs-Porter (Zeller is tempting, but Porter fits in well with Irving and Waiters)
4) Suns-Shabaaz (they go for best scorer available and hope Shabaaz can play off of Dragic)
5) Detroit-Smart (the Brandon Knight experiment has not gone well)
6) Hornets-Olapido (perfect fit as a wing 3&D player)
7) Minnesota-Len (ugh, no wings left to pick, they take best big available. Pekovic is a UFA, so center may be a need).
8) Kings-Burke (they see the Chris Paul comparisons that Ruz has first noticed. I think Burke's tournament play elevates his stock big time).
9) Wiz-Zeller (most ready to play, but scared as heck about his T-Rex arms).

I don't see Detroit drafting Smart. If anything, they'll be thinking the Rodney Stuckey experiment has not gone well.

I also don't see the Kings drafting Burke. Is he really much of an upgrade over Isiah Thomas?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#902 » by Knighthonor » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:36 pm

It's over for the Wiz. No Wiggins/Parker if they play like this next season....
Unless,,,,,well you know...
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#903 » by mhd » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:39 pm

nate33 wrote:
mhd wrote:Current Mock draft based on standings:

1) Bobcats-Noel (will tank another year for Wiggins and let Noel heal, they have the worst frontcourt in the NBA)
2) Magic-Mclemore (I think they go Mclemore over the PGs. They can grab a young PG with their 2nd rounder)
3) Cavs-Porter (Zeller is tempting, but Porter fits in well with Irving and Waiters)
4) Suns-Shabaaz (they go for best scorer available and hope Shabaaz can play off of Dragic)
5) Detroit-Smart (the Brandon Knight experiment has not gone well)
6) Hornets-Olapido (perfect fit as a wing 3&D player)
7) Minnesota-Len (ugh, no wings left to pick, they take best big available. Pekovic is a UFA, so center may be a need).
8) Kings-Burke (they see the Chris Paul comparisons that Ruz has first noticed. I think Burke's tournament play elevates his stock big time).
9) Wiz-Zeller (most ready to play, but scared as heck about his T-Rex arms).

I don't see Detroit drafting Smart. If anything, they'll be thinking the Rodney Stuckey experiment has not gone well.

I also don't see the Kings drafting Burke. Is he really much of an upgrade over Isiah Thomas?


Does Detroit take Olapido? I think Dumars is smart enough to know that he can find a 3&D wing (like he did with Afflalo before foolishingly letting him go). The Pistons aren't taking a big with Monroe and Drummond in the fold, and if Porter and Shabaaz are off the board, I think they will go for a PG over Olapido.

The Kings could go anything (they need help everywere, but I went Burke b/c PG has been a major issue and Isiah Thomas, while competent, isn't going to lead them to the playoffs. They could easily go in a different direction though.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#904 » by Ruzious » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:30 am

DCZards wrote:Keep an eye on McAdoo. He's had a tough year at UNC because he's been asked to play out of position at center on a so-so Tar Heel team. I think he'll be a very good pro and wouldn't be surprised to see McAdoo move up the board to a 6-8 pick as we get closer to the draft.

If there's a player in this draft, other than Noel, who I think will be a star at the next level it's McLemore. He already has a sweet shooting stroke and a NBA body.

Actually, playing C should have helped his offensive numbers, because he should have been able to out-quick every college center and out-run them in transition. That was the case with Joe Smith in his MD career. And really, most NBA PF's played a lot of C in college. He's a very good athlete with a great last name and seems like a great kid, but he's not a very good basketball player. Imo, Hairston is the best NBA prospect on UNC (and very underrated), and Bullock's next.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#905 » by DCZards » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:16 am

Ruzious wrote:Actually, playing C should have helped his offensive numbers, because he should have been able to out-quick every college center and out-run them in transition. That was the case with Joe Smith in his MD career. And really, most NBA PF's played a lot of C in college. He's a very good athlete with a great last name and seems like a great kid, but he's not a very good basketball player. Imo, Hairston is the best NBA prospect on UNC (and very underrated), and Bullock's next.


Not always only about the numbers...especially for a 20 year old college soph.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#906 » by Induveca » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:50 am

I pray the Wizards don't take Zeller. He's an obvious bust. Perfect example of college talent which doesn't translate to the NBA.

His brother is completely overmatched, and they share the same warning signs.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#907 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:10 am

Ruzious wrote:
DCZards wrote:Keep an eye on McAdoo. He's had a tough year at UNC because he's been asked to play out of position at center on a so-so Tar Heel team. I think he'll be a very good pro and wouldn't be surprised to see McAdoo move up the board to a 6-8 pick as we get closer to the draft.

If there's a player in this draft, other than Noel, who I think will be a star at the next level it's McLemore. He already has a sweet shooting stroke and a NBA body.

Actually, playing C should have helped his offensive numbers, because he should have been able to out-quick every college center and out-run them in transition. That was the case with Joe Smith in his MD career. And really, most NBA PF's played a lot of C in college. He's a very good athlete with a great last name and seems like a great kid, but he's not a very good basketball player. Imo, Hairston is the best NBA prospect on UNC (and very underrated), and Bullock's next.


I think playing McAdoo at C is not an ideal situation for him but it's what was best for the team because it let them get their best five on the floor when the lineups planned going into the season weren't working.

McAdoo was smaller than most 5s (thought he was stronger than several of the bigger guys). He's a face up forward that's more perimeter oriented. It wasn't a great fit for him offensively, UNC played him there mainly because he's their strongest body and because of his defense and rebounding ability. He's not going to score with his back to the basket in close. He needs to get the ball in a spot further from the basket where he can face up drive if he's going to create his offense.

All in all, I think he acquitted himself pretty well at the five considering he's a future NBA SF/PF hybrid. He's got one of the best bodies in the class and he's one of the best athletes IMO. One of the few guys who has a clear NBA ready frame and NBA level athleticism. As an athlete, he reminds me of a 6'9 version of Beal. Strong, quick, lean, ultra-smooth. Plays the game with a physicality that reminds me of Beal.

I think he's been slow to find his way at UNC and that's really been the story of the team's season since they got pillaged by the NBA draft last year. His weaknesses are on the offensive end. He doesn't have a good jumper and he can't shoot FTs. Doesn't have a versatile inside scoring game either. He's got a good post fade at around 13 feet but doesn't score with his back to the basket inside.

I think he'll be a better pro than people expect. Better pro than college player, and I think he'll slip farther than he probably should. A lot of guys with well developed skills and great collegiate production but nowhere near his athleticism or upside will get picked ahead of him because they can fill more immediate roles. I think he's the type of player the Spurs would love to get, they're not intimidated by taking smart/raw players with holes in their skills. If he makes it to the late teens or twenties, I could see them trading up to get him like they did Kawhi Leonard.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#908 » by mg » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:30 am

Induveca wrote:I pray the Wizards don't take Zeller. He's an obvious bust. Perfect example of college talent which doesn't translate to the NBA.

His brother is completely overmatched, and they share the same warning signs.


Cody's game is nothing like Tyler's.

Tyler was always more of a hustle player at UNC while Cody is much more skilled offensively. I think they may have similar issues on the defensive end. It will be interesting to see how Cody measures out at the combine. Not saying I want Cody (honestly don't think any of the players in this draft are 'must haves') but I would bet he will be a better pro than his older brother based on his offensive skill set.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#909 » by pancakes3 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:48 am

James McAdoo? For whatever reason, I'm expecting poor-man Antawn Jamison-level production out of him.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#910 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:58 am

mg wrote:
Induveca wrote:I pray the Wizards don't take Zeller. He's an obvious bust. Perfect example of college talent which doesn't translate to the NBA.

His brother is completely overmatched, and they share the same warning signs.


Cody's game is nothing like Tyler's.

Tyler was always more of a hustle player at UNC while Cody is much more skilled offensively. I think they may have similar issues on the defensive end. It will be interesting to see how Cody measures out at the combine. Not saying I want Cody (honestly don't think any of the players in this draft are 'must haves') but I would bet he will be a better pro than his older brother based on his offensive skill set.


I think Cody has been consistently better than his brothers at each level. He's the best Zeller. And I don't think any concrete conclusions can be drawn about Tyler this early in his NBA career.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#911 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:35 am

pancakes3 wrote:James McAdoo? For whatever reason, I'm expecting poor-man Antawn Jamison-level production out of him.


He can't shoot like Twan, doesn't have that mid range game. He's stronger and more physical than Twan too. More of an actual PF. Plus he seems to like playing D.

I've mentioned it a lot but I think Thaddeus Young is a nice best case scenario for McAdoo.
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Post#912 » by WizardsWorld » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:39 am

If we do end up falling to a pick somewhere in the 8 to 10 range and cant get Porter than Id still like to deal the pick for Derrick Williams. Maybe we grab Barea in the deal too or something.... but nobody left on that board I'd rather have than Williams.
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Post#913 » by hands11 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:43 am

Induveca wrote:I pray the Wizards don't take Zeller. He's an obvious bust. Perfect example of college talent which doesn't translate to the NBA.

His brother is completely overmatched, and they share the same warning signs.


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Post#914 » by willbcocks » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:45 am

I would be very happy if we come out of the season with Wall performing like a star and Zeller as our draft pick. He's not a perfect prospect, but he has athleticism and instincts, average size (good height, bad arms), and he has been performing well statistically.

If Wall sucks from here out and we get Len, this team will be one big mystery.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#915 » by Ruzious » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:54 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
DCZards wrote:Keep an eye on McAdoo. He's had a tough year at UNC because he's been asked to play out of position at center on a so-so Tar Heel team. I think he'll be a very good pro and wouldn't be surprised to see McAdoo move up the board to a 6-8 pick as we get closer to the draft.

If there's a player in this draft, other than Noel, who I think will be a star at the next level it's McLemore. He already has a sweet shooting stroke and a NBA body.

Actually, playing C should have helped his offensive numbers, because he should have been able to out-quick every college center and out-run them in transition. That was the case with Joe Smith in his MD career. And really, most NBA PF's played a lot of C in college. He's a very good athlete with a great last name and seems like a great kid, but he's not a very good basketball player. Imo, Hairston is the best NBA prospect on UNC (and very underrated), and Bullock's next.


I think playing McAdoo at C is not an ideal situation for him but it's what was best for the team because it let them get their best five on the floor when the lineups planned going into the season weren't working.

McAdoo was smaller than most 5s (thought he was stronger than several of the bigger guys). He's a face up forward that's more perimeter oriented. It wasn't a great fit for him offensively, UNC played him there mainly because he's their strongest body and because of his defense and rebounding ability. He's not going to score with his back to the basket in close. He needs to get the ball in a spot further from the basket where he can face up drive if he's going to create his offense.

All in all, I think he acquitted himself pretty well at the five considering he's a future NBA SF/PF hybrid. He's got one of the best bodies in the class and he's one of the best athletes IMO. One of the few guys who has a clear NBA ready frame and NBA level athleticism. As an athlete, he reminds me of a 6'9 version of Beal. Strong, quick, lean, ultra-smooth. Plays the game with a physicality that reminds me of Beal.

I think he's been slow to find his way at UNC and that's really been the story of the team's season since they got pillaged by the NBA draft last year. His weaknesses are on the offensive end. He doesn't have a good jumper and he can't shoot FTs. Doesn't have a versatile inside scoring game either. He's got a good post fade at around 13 feet but doesn't score with his back to the basket inside.

I think he'll be a better pro than people expect. Better pro than college player, and I think he'll slip farther than he probably should. A lot of guys with well developed skills and great collegiate production but nowhere near his athleticism or upside will get picked ahead of him because they can fill more immediate roles. I think he's the type of player the Spurs would love to get, they're not intimidated by taking smart/raw players with holes in their skills. If he makes it to the late teens or twenties, I could see them trading up to get him like they did Kawhi Leonard.

If any team is going to trade for McAdoo, it's probably going to be one of the poorly run organizations in the NBA. Leonard always had tremendous defense - with ridiculous length, maybe the biggest hands of a non-center ever, and excellent lateral quickness. He just had to learn to shoot, and he supposedly proved to SA that he could with some amazing workouts. Granted, he's turned out a lot better shooter than I ever thought he'd be. McAdoo has no skill to hang his hat on. He hasn't played 3 in college like Leonard - and Leonard WAS a perimeter defender in college. Realistically, McAdoo is a long-shot to ever be a contributor in the NBA. If he wasn't so ridiculously highly hyped coming out of HS, nobody would be talking about him as more than a 2nd round pick.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#916 » by Ruzious » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:57 pm

willbcocks wrote:I would be very happy if we come out of the season with Wall performing like a star and Zeller as our draft pick. He's not a perfect prospect, but he has athleticism and instincts, average size (good height, bad arms), and he has been performing well statistically.

If Wall sucks from here out and we get Len, this team will be one big mystery.

I would be ecstatic if the Wiz somehow get Zeller. I have little doubt that he'll prove his doubters wrong in the NBA. He's miles ahead of the other bigs in this draft in BBIQ (with the possible exception of Olynyk) and remains underrated as an athlete.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#917 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:02 pm

Ruzious wrote:
willbcocks wrote:I would be very happy if we come out of the season with Wall performing like a star and Zeller as our draft pick. He's not a perfect prospect, but he has athleticism and instincts, average size (good height, bad arms), and he has been performing well statistically.

If Wall sucks from here out and we get Len, this team will be one big mystery.

I would be ecstatic if the Wiz somehow get Zeller. I have little doubt that he'll prove his doubters wrong in the NBA. He's miles ahead of the other bigs in this draft in BBIQ (with the possible exception of Olynyk) and remains underrated as an athlete.


Agreed on all counts. Zeller is one of my favorite prospects in this class and I think he's being underrated because people are bored with him and are nitpicking him. He's been such a known quantity for draftniks for two years.

My favorite prospects are Noel #1, then some order of Zeller, Bennett, and Porter. I think Shabazz is in that same tier but I honestly wouldn't draft him before the 9-12 range because of all his question marks. What position is he? Does his dad come with him when he's drafted? What am I putting into my locker room?

I wouldn't draft Ben McLemore top five. He's got the tools and the talent to be a top five pick easily but not the mentality IMO. He is too passive too often. I wouldn't draft a PG early because it's not great value IMO. And I would have to hold my nose picking Len because he's got some flaws. I'd pick him though, provided several others were off the board.

I'm just praying we get lucky and end up with Zeller, Bennett, or Porter.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#918 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:19 pm

Ruzious wrote:If any team is going to trade for McAdoo, it's probably going to be one of the poorly run organizations in the NBA. Leonard always had tremendous defense - with ridiculous length, maybe the biggest hands of a non-center ever, and excellent lateral quickness. He just had to learn to shoot, and he supposedly proved to SA that he could with some amazing workouts. Granted, he's turned out a lot better shooter than I ever thought he'd be. McAdoo has no skill to hang his hat on. He hasn't played 3 in college like Leonard - and Leonard WAS a perimeter defender in college. Realistically, McAdoo is a long-shot to ever be a contributor in the NBA. If he wasn't so ridiculously highly hyped coming out of HS, nobody would be talking about him as more than a 2nd round pick.


There is a reason he had so much hype coming out of H.S. He's a clear NBA level athlete with an excellent BBall IQ and versatile strengths and is the type of player that takes little away from the table. You're equating him not having a consistent jumper with him not having skills IMO. He does have some scoring tools and offensive skills. And he has the potential to develop a consistent jumper.

Ultimately I think he settles into a role as a face up PF, not as a SF. PF will be his stronger position and there is really no reason not to play him there unless he's got a big time player in front of him. He's more valuable at the four and he has the body and skills to play the four. I think he's definitely got the potential to contribute at the next level.

But I could also definitely see him staying another year at UNC.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#919 » by popper » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:30 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if we package Vesely, Singleton or Booker and our first round pick for a decent player and a later pick in the first round. We really need to re-balance the roster given our overload at PF.

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Post#920 » by nate33 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:02 pm

popper wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we package Vesely, Singleton or Booker and our first round pick for a decent player and a later pick in the first round. We really need to re-balance the roster given our overload at PF.

Nene - Booker - Vesely - Singleton

That makes sense, but I would be pretty surprised if it actually happens. One of EG's biggest failings as a GM is that he falls in love with his players. He views trading a player as confirmation that it was a bad pick.

Another problem is that Vesely and Singleton have no trade value. We'd have trouble giving them away. Maybe we could get a 2nd rounder for Singleton, but that's about it. And EG's current philosophy is that it is too hard to groom too many youngsters at once.

I'd try and give Vesely away, either for pure cap room, or for a 2014 expiring contract that hopefully comes in the form of a competent veteran shooting guard. A guy like Shannon Brown of Phoenix could work.

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