Humble Yourself - The Ben Gordon Thread

[fatlever]

you wouldnt happen to have the video of the one he bobbled at the end of the quarter vs the raps would you?

[LamarMatic7]

you wouldnt happen to have the video of the one he bobbled at the end of the quarter vs the raps would you?

was it the Raps game at Toronto? I guess it wouldn't be that hard for me to look it up.

[fatlever]

you wouldnt happen to have the video of the one he bobbled at the end of the quarter vs the raps would you?

was it the Raps game at Toronto? I guess it wouldn't be that hard for me to look it up.

it was the raps game in charlotte on wed.

[LamarMatic7]

you wouldnt happen to have the video of the one he bobbled at the end of the quarter vs the raps would you?

was it the Raps game at Toronto? I guess it wouldn't be that hard for me to look it up.

it was the raps game in charlotte on wed.

I checked it out and you must have confused something because there was no such instance during that game.

[catch20two]

I think I remember the incident that fatlever is referring to in that Raptors game where BG bobbled the ball away because Terrence Ross threw up a halfcourt heave afterwards that went in but didn't count since it was released just after that buzzer.

[LamarMatic7]

Just read this great article by Zach Lowe on defense in today's NBA and I'm absolutely confused on how a Ben Gordon quote made it considering that it's an article about defense. It's like he was Tony Allen or someone and his opinion on this matter was credible.

"Coaches all want you to 2.9 [play aggressive weak-side D by packing the paint] now," Ben Gordon says. "And offenses have had to adjust to that."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/914 ... rantland33

[BadMofoPimp]

Just read this great article by Zach Lowe on defense in today's NBA and I'm absolutely confused on how a Ben Gordon quote made it considering that it's an article about defense. It's like he was Tony Allen or someone and his opinion on this matter was credible.

"Coaches all want you to 2.9 [play aggressive weak-side D by packing the paint] now," Ben Gordon says. "And offenses have had to adjust to that."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/914 ... rantland33

FYI. Ben Gordon was commenting from the Offensive perspective.

[LamarMatic7]

Just read this great article by Zach Lowe on defense in today's NBA and I'm absolutely confused on how a Ben Gordon quote made it considering that it's an article about defense. It's like he was Tony Allen or someone and his opinion on this matter was credible.

"Coaches all want you to 2.9 [play aggressive weak-side D by packing the paint] now," Ben Gordon says. "And offenses have had to adjust to that."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/914 ... rantland33

FYI. Ben Gordon was commenting from the Offensive perspective.

He's actually commenting from both the defensive and the offensive perspective.

[fatlever]

i created a thread to discuss this article. i think its new thread worthy.

[raleigh]

Thoughts on trading Gordon?

The team desperately needs his perimeter shooting, but he clearly makes the team worse overall.

[Elden Payton]

Good as gone if we've got any takers.

[catch20two]

Thoughts on trading Gordon?

The team desperately needs his perimeter shooting, but he clearly makes the team worse overall.

That's the problem. We need his perimeter shooting but for some odd reason he defers to it which is his only strength to test his weakness of dribbling and usually end up turning it over. He's just not playing smart basketball at all. Even Pargo know to shoot instead of trying to split help defenders. It's a matter of doing what you're good at and he refuses to do so. It's very annoying.

[KembaWalker]

i barely watch the games whenever Gordon is in. his play style disgusts me and drags the whole team down when hes on the floor

[fatlever]

just how pathetic was gordon over the past month or so? check out his +/- numbers compared to MKG. Gordon and MKG rarely were on the court together over the past month. MKG would play 1st and 3rd quarters, Gordon would play 2nd and part of 4th. when MKG played it was usually kemba/hendo/mkg and when gordon played it was usually pargo(or kemba)/gordon/henderson.

MKG Gordon
12 -12 cavs
14 -7 knicks
21 -11 bucks
-6 -15 pistons
-4 -8 grizzlies
-5 0 nets
-4 -6 heat
-1 5 sixers
2 -11 sixers
-8 5 knicks
2 -7 magic
-8 -22 heat
8 4 pistons

gordon was - 85 over this stretch, MKG was +23 over this stretch.

i dont buy the argument that gordon has worse numbers because he played with the bench. gordon got a ton of time playing with kemba and henderson during the 4th quarters.

you dont have to be a john hollinger stats guru to see the impact gordon had on this team over the last month. he was awful. simply awful.

[HornetJail]

I can only dream we pull off another maggette deal. I can't wait to have him gone. I dread watching him even more than Tyrus. That is difficult to do.

[LamarMatic7]

gordon was - 85 over this stretch, MKG was +23 over this stretch.

did you propose a bet where MKG's +/- had to be better by a 100? If so, you were spot on.

[fatlever]

gordon was - 85 over this stretch, MKG was +23 over this stretch.

did you propose a bet where MKG's +/- had to be better by a 100? If so, you were spot on.

i did. i think i said since the all-star break. this was only the last 12 or so games. MKG was pretty crappy in late feb early march, so there were some games were gordon was the better player. however, i bet it would have still be +100 in favor of MKG.

[mrknowitall215]

Season Report Card: Ben Gordon

Grade: C+

12.74 PER vs 17.54 PER Against; Net -4.8

Strengths: He can shoot. That’s about it. But that’s obviously still a valuable NBA skill, so a tip of the cap to The Scottish Terrier (my nickname for him for many years – you know he looks like one). Gordon led the team in 3P% at .387 (career .404), many of which kept the Bobcats in games when their offense was floundering in the half court. He can create his own shot off the dribble and is also a very good foul shooter (.843 this season). The end.

Weaknesses: Get ready. First off, Gordon is terrible at defense. I mean really bad. Some guys simply lack the foot speed and physical ability to be an average defender, but that is not the case here. His problem is instead rooted in lack of effort and adhering to principles of team defense. I could go on but everyone from Zach Lowe to Brett here at QCH has said enough already.

Next. He is not what you would call a connoisseur of fine shot selection. Granted, the 3-point shot is an efficient attempt for a skilled NBA shooter. However, many of his shots both inside and beyond the arc are what you could call “difficult”. At points this season it was as if the Bobcats had traded for a less-tatted J.R. Smith who had hit the preacher curl bar. But I digress. Gordon shot a career-low .408 from the field, which is tough to do when you shoot nearly the same clip from distance.

Lastly (I’ll limit the criticism to three points), Gordon gets loose with the ball way too often. He doesn’t have a bad handle per se, but he gets himself into trouble by forcing situations and attempting to make ill-suited passes in the paint. Part of the problem is that he’s always looking to get his shot, so at times he’ll get into the lane only to realize he’s now double teamed or facing an opponent’s big. He’s never considered passing the ball up to this point so the attempt to do so is hurried and often intercepted by the opposing team.

Reasons for Optimism: Gordon has only one year left on his deal after he (surprise!) picked up his option for the 2013-14 season. Gordon knows he’s an expiring contract so I wouldn’t be surprised if he came into camp ready to play and prove himself to the other 29 teams in the League. A pre trade deadline deal of Gordon to a contender who needs shooting (as was purported this season to the Nets) is rather likely, so get your fill of the Ol’ Terrier through the first 50 odd games of the season. Hopefully Gordon doesn’t cost them (or does cost them? Andrew Wiggins?) too many games before his departure.

Reasons for Pessimism: He could reside on the Bobcats roster for another 82 games. It’s not so much a risk to the on-court play of the team as it is to the locker room and culture of the organization. Gordon isn’t happy in Charlotte now and he certainly won’t be next year. Another long season of non-contending basketball could wear on him and in turn could lead to more discontent. However, I’m a optimistic guy so let’s go with the narrative above. Gordon comes to camp ready to prove himself, plays better, and gets traded before the deadline next season. Sounds wonderful.

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/2013/05/ ... en-gordon/

[fatlever]

how on earth does ben gordon get a C+?

[catch20two]

how on earth does ben gordon get a C+?

Ben Gordon receives a lot of leniency and benefit of the doubt around the league due to his successful years as a borderline all-star in Chicago's playoff runs when they were nicknamed the Baby Bulls. I thought he deserved a C personally. He did have decent production and percentages for someone playing under 21 minutes per game if you look at the box scores alone but it was just horribly ugly to watch. Too bad that we had to experience it.